The Arab Spring and President Bush

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azbob

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Pundits are slow to point this out (as they always are) but, I believe historians will correctly link the current events of the "Arab Spring" with the foreign affairs doctrine of President Bush.

Just as President Nixon received positive recognition (post presidency) for opening up the market with China (unfortunately a two-way market) I think Bush's presidency will be judged more favorably because of his views on spreading democracy throughout the world.

I personally don't agree with that philosophy and would much rather see the Ron Paul version of diplomacy but, there is little doubt that the seeds of freedom planted in Iraq have spread to Iran (with little success thus far) but, have taken root in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

Luckily, the Obama administration has, for the most part, tranferred their ownership and leadership in the region to NATO and the United Nations. The Obama's whispers for dictators to step down have had no impact even though citizens and diplomats in those regions have asked for more decisive US leadership.

It will be interesting to see if the mainstream media lets The Obama take full credit for events in the middle east while continuing to blame everyone else for the other areas of ineptitute. Post stablization will also be a decision point to see how many dollars the administration commits to the region. There are many "no-win situations" on that pathway.

Regardless of those issues, the Bush Presidency will be viewed much differently historically especially as more countries move to democracies as we know those will be very slow-moving processes.
 

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So you are saying that he will be viewed as great for bringing democracy to middle east and Obama will take the fall for the economy Bush lead him into?

I think both presidents will be remembered as a shit sandwich when this is all said and done
 

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Pundits are slow to point this out (as they always are) but, I believe historians will correctly link the current events of the "Arab Spring" with the foreign affairs doctrine of President Bush.

Just as President Nixon received positive recognition (post presidency) for opening up the market with China (unfortunately a two-way market) I think Bush's presidency will be judged more favorably because of his views on spreading democracy throughout the world.

I personally don't agree with that philosophy and would much rather see the Ron Paul version of diplomacy but, there is little doubt that the seeds of freedom planted in Iraq have spread to Iran (with little success thus far) but, have taken root in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

Luckily, the Obama administration has, for the most part, tranferred their ownership and leadership in the region to NATO and the United Nations. The Obama's whispers for dictators to step down have had no impact even though citizens and diplomats in those regions have asked for more decisive US leadership.

It will be interesting to see if the mainstream media lets The Obama take full credit for events in the middle east while continuing to blame everyone else for the other areas of ineptitute. Post stablization will also be a decision point to see how many dollars the administration commits to the region. There are many "no-win situations" on that pathway.

Regardless of those issues, the Bush Presidency will be viewed much differently historically especially as more countries move to democracies as we know those will be very slow-moving processes.

It must be sad to hope and pray that some day just something would come out of the mess Bush and Cheney started. If u are dumb enuf to believe Bush and Cheney went over there to spread democracy :mj07: I guess u are dumb enuf to believe this shit u are shoveling :mj07:
 

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So you are saying that he will be viewed as great for bringing democracy to middle east and Obama will take the fall for the economy Bush lead him into?

I think both presidents will be remembered as a shit sandwich when this is all said and done

Yeah Bleed this asshole is quick to blame Obama for everything. In another thread he said the future is bright. To me Obama looks like and extention of Bush. Basically Bush's third term. He has rubber stamped almost everything Bush has done. You would think these assholes would be tickled pink about Obama. Continuing the same rotten policy's of Bush's yet saying the future is bright. I guess he means a 4th Bush term.
How do u blame Obama for anything when he does 95 percent of the same things the other clown did? I mean it is easy to blame him if u are on the left but this shitbag blames him but then cheered when Bush did the same thing. Go figure. Oh wait i forgot. He isn't a republican :mj07:
 
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Bleeding...I don't think he will be viewed as "great" but, if you remember the cycle for Nixon after leaving office it wasn't until years later that he was recognized for the advancements the US made in foreign policy. Of course, that did not come close to balancing Watergate and other transgressions.

I do think that "model" will apply to Bush's foreign policy and the record will be more favorable than it is today but, again it will not counter balance the negatives from his presidency.

The Obama still has about 15 months to do something. I guess if you want to list something positive he has actually done, killing Bin Laden would be on the list but, (maybe this is a challenge) I'm not sure what else he has done. Even The ObamaCare (if you think that is positive) won't impact for another couple years.

Given that, it is unclear what his presidency will be positively remembered for other than he being the first black president. Maybe we should put surviving four years living with his mother-in-law on the list or, more distressing, having to put up with Biden for four years.

Sponge...have someone read my post to you then explain it to you and then you might be able to post a cogent point...but, I doubt it.
 

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Sponge...have someone read my post to you then explain it to you and then you might be able to post a cogent point...but, I doubt it.

In post four assbreath, i responded to ur silly post. Instead of re-reading it in case i missed something, i took the time to listen to Rush's Monday show. My rebuttal is still the same. :0008
 
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