The Clinton Terror Pardons

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It was nearly 10 p.m. on New Year's Eve, 1982. Two officers on New York Police Department's elite bomb squad rushed to headquarters at One Police Plaza, where minutes earlier an explosion had destroyed the entrance to the building. Lying amid the carnage was Police Officer Rocco Pascarella, his lower leg blasted off.

"He was ripped up like someone took a box cutter and shredded his face," remembered Detective Anthony Senft, one of the bomb-squad officers who answered the call 25 years ago. "We really didn't even know that he was a uniformed man until we found his weapon, that's how badly he was injured."


About 20 minutes later, Mr. Senft and his partner, Richard Pastorella, were blown 15 feet in the air as they knelt in protective gear to defuse another bomb. Detective Senft was blinded in one eye, his facial bones shattered, his hip severely fractured. Mr. Pastorella was blinded in both eyes and lost all the fingers of his right hand. A total of four bombs exploded in a single hour on that night, including at FBI headquarters in Manhattan and the federal courthouse in Brooklyn.

The perpetrators were members of Armed Forces of National Liberation, FALN (the Spanish acronym), a clandestine terrorist group devoted to bringing about independence for Puerto Rico through violent means. Its members waged war on America with bombings, arson, kidnappings, prison escapes, threats and intimidation. The most gruesome attack was the 1975 Fraunces Tavern bombing in Lower Manhattan. Timed to go off during the lunch-hour rush, the explosion decapitated one of the four people killed and injured another 60.


FALN bragged about the bloodbath, calling the victims "reactionary corporate executives" and threatening: "You have unleashed a storm from which you comfortable Yankees can't escape." By 1996, the FBI had linked FALN to 146 bombings and a string of armed robberies -- a reign of terror that resulted in nine deaths and hundreds of injured victims.

On Aug. 7, 1999, the one-year anniversary of the U.S. African embassy bombings that killed 257 people and injured 5,000, President Bill Clinton reaffirmed his commitment to the victims of terrorism, vowing that he "will not rest until justice is done." Four days later, while Congress was on summer recess, the White House quietly issued a press release announcing that the president was granting clemency to 16 imprisoned members of FALN. What began as a simple paragraph on the AP wire exploded into a major controversy.

Mr. Clinton justified the clemencies by asserting that the sentences were disproportionate to the crimes. None of the petitioners, he stated, had been directly involved in crimes that caused bodily harm to anyone. "For me," the president concluded, "the question, therefore, was whether their continuing incarceration served any meaningful purpose."

His comments, including the astonishing claim that the FALN prisoners were being unfairly punished because of "guilt by association," were widely condemned as a concession to terrorists. Further, they were seen as an outrageous slap in the face of the victims and a bitter betrayal of the cops and federal law enforcement officers who had put their lives on the line to protect the public and who had invested years of their careers to put these people behind bars. The U.S. Sentencing Commission affirmed a pre-existing Justice Department assessment that the sentences, ranging from 30 to 90 years, were "in line with sentences imposed in other cases for similar terrorist activity."

The prisoners were convicted on a variety of charges that included conspiracy, sedition, violation of the Hobbes Act (extortion by force, violence or fear), armed robbery and illegal possession of weapons and explosives -- including large quantities of C-4 plastic explosive, dynamite and huge caches of ammunition. Mr. Clinton's action was opposed by the FBI, the Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. attorney offices that prosecuted the cases and the victims whose lives had been shattered. In contravention of standard procedures, none of these agencies, victims or families of victims were consulted or notified prior to the president's announcement.

"I know the chilling evidence that convicted the petitioners," wrote Deborah Devaney, one of the federal prosecutors who spent years on the cases. "The conspirators made every effort to murder and maim. . . . A few dedicated federal agents are the only people who stood in their way."

Observed Judge George Layton, who sentenced four FALN defendants for their conspiracy to use military-grade explosives to break an FALN leader from Ft. Leavenworth Penitentiary and detonate bombs at other public buildings, "[T]his case . . . represents one of the finest examples of preventive law enforcement that has ever come to this court's attention in the 20-odd years it has been a judge and in the 20 years before that as a practicing lawyer in criminal cases."

The FBI cracked the cases with the discovery of an FALN safe house and bomb factory. Video surveillance showed two of those on the clemency list firing weapons and building bombs intended for an imminent attack at a U.S. military installation. FBI agents obtained a warrant and entered the premises, surreptitiously disarming the bombs whose components bore the unmistakable FALN signature. They found 24 pounds of dynamite, 24 blasting caps, weapons, disguises, false IDs and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

A total of six safe houses were ultimately uncovered. Seven hundred hours of surveillance video were recorded, resulting in a mountain of evidence connecting the 16 prisoners to multiple FALN operations past and present.

Federal law enforcement agencies considered these individuals so dangerous, extraordinary security precautions were taken at their numerous trials. Courthouse elevators were restricted and no one, including the court officers, was permitted to carry a firearm in the courtroom.

Given all this, why would Bill Clinton, who had ignored the 3,226 clemency petitions that had piled up on his desk over the years, suddenly reach into the stack and pluck out these 16 meritless cases? (The New York Times ran a column with the headline, "Bill's Little Gift.")

Hillary Rodham Clinton was in the midst of her state-wide "listening tour" in anticipation of her run for the U.S. Senate in New York, a state which included 1.3 million Hispanics. Three members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus -- Luis V. Gutierrez (D., Ill.), Jose E. Serrano, (D., N.Y.) and Nydia M. Velazquez, (D., N.Y.) -- along with local Hispanic politicians and leftist human-rights advocates, had been agitating for years on behalf of the FALN cases directly to the White House and first lady.

Initial reports stated that Mrs. Clinton supported the clemencies, but when public reaction went negative she changed course, issuing a short statement three weeks after the clemencies were announced. The prisoners' delay in refusing to renounce violence "speaks volumes," she said.

The Clintons were caught in an awkward predicament of their own making. The president had ignored federal guidelines for commutation of sentences, including the most fundamental: The prisoners hadn't actually asked for clemency.
To push the deal through, signed statements renouncing violence and expressing remorse were required by the Justice Department. The FALN prisoners, surely relishing the embarrassment and discomfiture they were causing the president and his wife, had previously declined to accept these conditions. Committed and unrepentant militants who did not accept the authority of the United States, they refused to apologize for activities they were proud of in order to obtain a clemency they never requested.

So desperate was the White House to get the deal finalized and out of the news, an unprecedented 16-way conference call was set up for the "petitioners" who were locked up in 11 different federal facilities so that they could strategize a response to the president's offer. Two eventually refused to renounce their cause, preferring to serve out their lengthy sentences rather than follow the White House script.

Mr. Clinton's fecklessness in the handling of these cases was demonstrated by the fact that none of the prisoners were required, as a standard condition of release, to cooperate in ongoing investigations of countless unsolved FALN bombing cases and other crimes. Mrs. Clinton's so-called disagreement with her husband on the matter made no mention of that fact. The risk of demanding such a requirement, of course, was that the prisoners might have proudly implicated themselves, causing the entire enterprise to implode, with maximum damage to the president and potentially sinking Hillary Clinton's Senate chances.

Meanwhile, Puerto Rican politicians in New York who'd been crowing to their constituents about the impending release of these "freedom fighters" were enraged and insulted at Hillary Clinton's withdrawal of support. "It was a horrible blunder," said State Sen. Olga A. Mendez. "She needs to learn the rules."

The first lady called her failure to consult the Puerto Rican political establishment before assessing the entire issue a mistake "that will never happen again" -- even as the cops who had been maimed and disfigured by FALN operations continued to be ignored. Tom and Joe Connor, two brothers who were little boys when their 33-year-old father, Frank, was killed in the Fraunces Tavern attack, were dumbstruck to learn that White House staffers referred to the FALN militants as "political prisoners" and were planning a meeting with their children to humanize their plight.

Members of Congress viewed the clemencies as a dangerous abuse of presidential power that could not go unchallenged. Resolutions condemning the president's action were passed with a vote of 95-2 in the Senate, 311-41 in the House. It was the most they could do; the president's pardon power, conferred by the Constitution, is absolute. The House launched an investigation, subpoenaing records from the White House and Justice in an effort to determine whether proper procedure had been followed. President Clinton promptly invoked executive privilege, putting Justice Department lawyers in the impossible position of admitting that they had sent the White House a recommendation on the issue, but barred from disclosing what it was.

Twenty-four hours before a scheduled Senate committee hearing, the DOJ withheld the FBI's written statement about the history of the FALN and an assessment of its current terrorist capability. "They pulled the plug on us," said an unnamed FBI official in a news report, referring to the Justice Department decision to prevent FBI testimony.

The investigation revealed that the White House was driving the effort to release the prisoners, rather than the other way around. White House aides created talking points and strategies for a public campaign on the prisoners' behalf included asking prominent individuals for letters supporting clemency.

Jeffrey Farrow, a key adviser on the White House Interagency Working Group for Puerto Rico recommended meetings with the president and the three leading members of Congressional Hispanic Caucus who were pushing the effort, stating in a March 6, 1999 email, "This is Gutierrez's [sic] top priority as well as of high constituent importance to Serrano and Velazquez." The next day, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Maria Echaveste sent an email to White House Counsel Charles Ruff, who was handling the clemency issue, supporting Mr. Farrow's view, saying, "Chuck -- Jeff's right about this -- very hot issue." Another adviser in the Working Group, Mayra Martinez-Fernandez, noted that releasing the prisoners would be "fairly easy to accomplish and will have a positive impact among strategic communities in the U.S. (read, voters)."

And there you have it. Votes.

While the pardon scandals that marked Bill and Hillary Clinton's final days in office are remembered as transactions involving cronies, criminals and campaign contributors, the FALN clemencies of 1999 should be remembered in the context of the increasing threat of domestic and transnational terrorism that was ramping up during the Clinton years of alleged peace and prosperity. To wit, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Tokyo subway Sarin attack, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the 1995 "Bojinka" conspiracy to hijack airplanes and crash them into buildings, the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, the 1996 Summer Olympics bombing, Osama bin Laden's 1996 and 1998 "Declarations of War" on America, the 1998 East African embassy bombings, the 2000 USS Sullivans bombing attempt, the 2000 USS Cole bombing, and the 2000 Millennium bombing plot.

It was within that context that the FBI gave its position on the FALN clemencies -- which the White House succeeded in keeping out of news coverage but ultimately failed to suppress -- stating that "the release of these individuals will psychologically and operationally enhance the ongoing violent and criminal activities of terrorist groups, not only in Puerto Rico, but throughout the world." The White House spun the clemencies as a sign of the president's universal commitment to "peace and reconciliation" just one year after Osama bin Laden told his followers that the United States is a "paper tiger" that can be attacked with impunity.

It would be a mistake to dismiss as "old news" the story of how and why these terrorists were released in light of the fact that it took place during the precise period when Bill Clinton now claims he was avidly engaged, even "obsessed," with efforts to protect the public from clandestine terrorist attacks. If Bill and Hillary Clinton were willing to pander to the demands of local Hispanic politicians and leftist human-rights activists defending bomb-makers convicted of seditious conspiracy, how might they stand up to pressure from other interest groups working in less obvious ways against U.S. interests in a post-9/11 world?

Radical Islamists are a sophisticated and determined enemy who understand that violence alone will not achieve their goals. Islamist front groups, representing themselves as rights organizations, are attempting to get a foothold here as they have already in parts of Western Europe by deftly exploiting ethnic and racial politics, agitating under the banner of civil liberties even as they are clamoring for the imposition of special Shariah law privileges in the public domain. They believe that the road to America's ultimate defeat is through the back door of policy and law and they are aggressively using money, influence and retail politics to achieve their goal.

On the campaign trail, the Clintons like to say that Bill is merely supportive and enthusiastic, "just like all the other candidates' spouses." Nothing could be further from the truth. Returning Bill and Hillary Clinton to the White House would present the country with the unprecedented situation of a former and current president simultaneously occupying the White House, the practical implications of which have yet to be fully explored.

The FALN clemencies provide a disturbing example of how the abuse or misuse of presidential prerogative, under the guise of policy, can be put in service of the personal and private activities of the president's spouse -- and beyond the reach of meaningful congressional oversight.

Ms. Burlingame, a former attorney and a director of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, is the sister of Charles F. "Chic" Burlingame III, the pilot of American Airlines flight 77, which was crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.
 

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Hmm, maybe I should Google "Bush and Saudi Arabia" or "Bush and special interests" or "Bush and drugs" or something...if we're going to rehash history.
 

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I would say that if Bush was getting ready to run for President then that would be a great idea Chadman. But since Hillary is getting ready to run, I welcome anything and everything people can post. And that goes for her and any other candidates.
 

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the clintons should never get near the WH again. we started down this road because of the intelligence failures under bill that continued under bush.... the greatest pardon of all time and that's saying something because the last 5 presidents have pardoned many that the american people didn't agree with.. how did our president look the other way and jump in bed with saudi arabia days after they attacked us on 911 ? We have a president in our WH that not only coddles an american enemy but lines their pockets with an energy policy that history will label treasonist.
 

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No problem, Layinwood. Just that coming from Wayne, who holds the world record for Bill Clinton bashing-related posts, it just is less informative based, and more bashing based - IMO.

Nothing wrong with finding out info...just have to consider a source and why they would be so "helpful."

Can certainly appreciate the tie-in angle. But Clinton has been tied into so much over the past few years that have nothing to do with anything current...it's tough to take sometimes. Carry on, all.
 

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looking at the 3 primaries that hillary`s sure to lose tonight,my prediction is:

muffer rodham should be weeping in 10,9,8,7,6,5...........


i still stand by my guns and say muffer pulls it out in texas/ohio and pa to get the nod.........or at the convention if necessary...the clintons will do something...anything.......that i`m sure of....

what a strange election year...what strange times we live in....

clinton fires her hispanic campaign mgr and political hacks in texas threaten retribution?.....

identity politics trumps everything....

wtf is going on?....what do we have,a bunch of little countries inside of this entity we call america?...i mean,we have no more borders....we have a new liberal republican party with a 72 year old muppet getting the nomination...even though conservatives dislike him....


i`m no big baseball fan,but,at least goose got into the baseball h.o.f....that`s something that makes sense......he deserved it...

indeed-o....

btw...you libs should be watching karl rove on fox.....this is the guy that got gwb elected......

TWICE!!!!..

seriously...his gig on fox is absolutely non-partisan...just the straight shit on the ins and outs of electioneering and politics....

you won`t feel as bad about losing to the chimperor....this is real campaign -fu,baby....

like him or not,the guy is a real genius in his chosen vocation.....
 
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looking at the 3 primaries that hillary`s sure to lose tonight,my prediction is:

muffer rodham should be weeping in 10,9,8,7,6,5...........


i still stand by my guns and say muffer pulls it out in texas/ohio and pa to get the nod.........or at the convention if necessary...the clintons will do something...anything.......that i`m sure of....

what a strange election year...what strange times we live in....

clinton fires her hispanic campaign mgr and political hacks in texas threaten retribution?.....

identity politics trumps everything....

wtf is going on?....what do we have,a bunch of little countries inside of this entity we call america?...i mean,we have no more borders....we have a new liberal republican party with a 72 year old muppet getting the nomination...even though conservatives dislike him....


i`m no big baseball fan,but,at least goose got into the baseball h.o.f....that`s something that makes sense......he deserved it...

indeed-o....

btw...you libs should be watching karl rove on fox.....this is the guy that got gwb elected......

TWICE!!!!..

seriously...his gig on fox is absolutely non-partisan...just the straight shit on the ins and outs of electioneering and politics....

you won`t feel as bad about losing to the chimperor....this is real campaign -fu,baby....

like him or not,the guy is a real genius in his chosen vocation.....

That was BIG mistake GW--especially the timing--could be the nail in the coffin. Totally baffeled by that move.--however when her campaign really turned was she she brought Billy out on the stump--the blunder here was failing to understand people of same party are a lot more objective of the character of person when attacking one of their own. ;)
 

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the clintons should never get near the WH again. we started down this road because of the intelligence failures under bill that continued under bush.... the greatest pardon of all time and that's saying something because the last 5 presidents have pardoned many that the american people didn't agree with.. how did our president look the other way and jump in bed with saudi arabia days after they attacked us on 911 ? We have a president in our WH that not only coddles an american enemy but lines their pockets with an energy policy that history will label treasonist.

Saudi Arabia attacked us?? Is this going to be start of another consipracy theory?

Did you prefer when
--Pakistan was supporting Taliban prior to 911
--what about Hussein (Saddam) being in power
-Lybyia (spl for Smurph) advancing nuclear ambitions
-Kim shaking his dick at Madeline Notsobright as he chanted Mo Money for nukes.
-Osama's frequent flyer miles/get out of jail free cards vs being confined cave.
-Saudi's looking other way on AQ vs all out assualt now.
-Fighting terrorist here vs there.

--a little update on progress against the real enemy NOT the Saudi's-

Pakistan: New 2008 Survey before Elections

In dramatic reversal from just a few months ago, Pakistanis have turned against Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. And in an equally stunning turnaround, in advance of Pakistan?s upcoming February 18th elections, nearly two-thirds of Pakistanis now intend to vote for the moderate political parties on the ballot.

For TFT?s full survey report, click here.
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT Pakistan Poll Report.pdf

and while on subject of Saudi's-

Saudi Arabia: Unprecedented Nationwide Survey

Saudi Arabia, birthplace of Islam, home to its holiest places, and also home country of Osama Bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists. Yet, Bin Laden?s fellow countrymen have dramatically turned against him, his organization of Al Qaeda, Saudi fighters in Iraq, and terrorism itself. And they have also equally dramatically turned in favor of Bin Laden?s chief enemy: The United States of America. The people of Saudi Arabia are now among the most pro-American and anti-terrorist of any in the entire Muslim world.
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT Saudi Arabia Survey.pdf

IMO-appears we entered a theatre of unknown-learned from our mistakes--and are finally making objective headways--
---I believe we can call the deciding factor --EXPERIENCE

--and what say you--other than "the Saudi's attacked us."
 
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looking at the 3 primaries that hillary`s sure to lose tonight,my prediction is:

muffer rodham should be weeping in 10,9,8,7,6,5...........


i still stand by my guns and say muffer pulls it out in texas/ohio and pa to get the nod.........or at the convention if necessary...the clintons will do something...anything.......that i`m sure of....

what a strange election year...what strange times we live in....

clinton fires her hispanic campaign mgr and political hacks in texas threaten retribution?.....

identity politics trumps everything....

wtf is going on?....what do we have,a bunch of little countries inside of this entity we call america?...i mean,we have no more borders....we have a new liberal republican party with a 72 year old muppet getting the nomination...even though conservatives dislike him....


i`m no big baseball fan,but,at least goose got into the baseball h.o.f....that`s something that makes sense......he deserved it...

indeed-o....

btw...you libs should be watching karl rove on fox.....this is the guy that got gwb elected......

TWICE!!!!..

seriously...his gig on fox is absolutely non-partisan...just the straight shit on the ins and outs of electioneering and politics....

you won`t feel as bad about losing to the chimperor....this is real campaign -fu,baby....

like him or not,the guy is a real genius in his chosen vocation.....

you are so wrong about this. she can't there from here.
 

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Sure I believe this Reb hack who wrote this would tell different story after rasing his right hand. And so old. But Bill is running for prez???. Well you better start attacking Obama he's who you need to worry about.
 

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Saudi Arabia attacked us?? Is this going to be start of another consipracy theory?

Did you prefer when
--Pakistan was supporting Taliban prior to 911
--what about Hussein (Saddam) being in power
-Lybyia (spl for Smurph) advancing nuclear ambitions
-Kim shaking his dick at Madeline Notsobright as he chanted Mo Money for nukes.
-Osama's frequent flyer miles/get out of jail free cards vs being confined cave.
-Saudi's looking other way on AQ vs all out assualt now.
-Fighting terrorist here vs there.

--a little update on progress against the real enemy NOT the Saudi's-

Pakistan: New 2008 Survey before Elections

In dramatic reversal from just a few months ago, Pakistanis have turned against Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. And in an equally stunning turnaround, in advance of Pakistan?s upcoming February 18th elections, nearly two-thirds of Pakistanis now intend to vote for the moderate political parties on the ballot.

For TFT?s full survey report, click here.
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT Pakistan Poll Report.pdf

and while on subject of Saudi's-

Saudi Arabia: Unprecedented Nationwide Survey

Saudi Arabia, birthplace of Islam, home to its holiest places, and also home country of Osama Bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists. Yet, Bin Laden?s fellow countrymen have dramatically turned against him, his organization of Al Qaeda, Saudi fighters in Iraq, and terrorism itself. And they have also equally dramatically turned in favor of Bin Laden?s chief enemy: The United States of America. The people of Saudi Arabia are now among the most pro-American and anti-terrorist of any in the entire Muslim world.
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT Saudi Arabia Survey.pdf

IMO-appears we entered a theatre of unknown-learned from our mistakes--and are finally making objective headways--
---I believe we can call the deciding factor --EXPERIENCE

--and what say you--other than "the Saudi's attacked us."

I might have liked to have the borders secure.

I might have liked not playing into bin Ladens hand and go broke in Iraq.

Bin Laden doesn't attack the homeland anymore because he doesn't have to. He is not going to beat us with the military he is going to make us implode by going broke.

Thanks to Bush.
 

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Saudi Arabia attacked us?? Is this going to be start of another consipracy theory?

Did you prefer when
--Pakistan was supporting Taliban prior to 911
--what about Hussein (Saddam) being in power
-Lybyia (spl for Smurph) advancing nuclear ambitions
-Kim shaking his dick at Madeline Notsobright as he chanted Mo Money for nukes.
-Osama's frequent flyer miles/get out of jail free cards vs being confined cave.
-Saudi's looking other way on AQ vs all out assualt now.
-Fighting terrorist here vs there.

--a little update on progress against the real enemy NOT the Saudi's-

Pakistan: New 2008 Survey before Elections

In dramatic reversal from just a few months ago, Pakistanis have turned against Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. And in an equally stunning turnaround, in advance of Pakistan?s upcoming February 18th elections, nearly two-thirds of Pakistanis now intend to vote for the moderate political parties on the ballot.

For TFT?s full survey report, click here.
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT Pakistan Poll Report.pdf

and while on subject of Saudi's-

Saudi Arabia: Unprecedented Nationwide Survey

Saudi Arabia, birthplace of Islam, home to its holiest places, and also home country of Osama Bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists. Yet, Bin Laden?s fellow countrymen have dramatically turned against him, his organization of Al Qaeda, Saudi fighters in Iraq, and terrorism itself. And they have also equally dramatically turned in favor of Bin Laden?s chief enemy: The United States of America. The people of Saudi Arabia are now among the most pro-American and anti-terrorist of any in the entire Muslim world.
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT Saudi Arabia Survey.pdf

IMO-appears we entered a theatre of unknown-learned from our mistakes--and are finally making objective headways--
---I believe we can call the deciding factor --EXPERIENCE

--and what say you--other than "the Saudi's attacked us."

I can't believe you believe what is in this post & suvey... Like the way you try to induce conspiracy into my thinking as a way to discredit... A conspiracy is covert, there is nothing secret about how this administration has responded to Saudi Arabia . It's not just this administration, for the last 20yrs our government has conducted policies that are anti American when it comes to Saudi Arabia and the rest of the middle east. Guys like you talk about winning the war on terror by sending men to die in Iraq for nothing. We could kill everyone in that country tonight and that would not make us safe here at home. The first thing guys like you need to do is figure out who the enemy is and how to defeat them. Conventional warfare is not part of the equation.
 

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I might have liked to have the borders secure.

I might have liked not playing into bin Ladens hand and go broke in Iraq.

Bin Laden doesn't attack the homeland anymore because he doesn't have to. He is not going to beat us with the military he is going to make us implode by going broke.

Thanks to Bush.

Playing into UBL's hands--what part of "U.S. don't have stomach to win fight from UB/ A-zarchwi--didn't you understand?
On going broke-- would rather spend the money taking fight to them--or would you rather spend it rebuilding our own structures and economy-

Tell me with a straight face there's any doubt on who the terrorist would vote for? 2nd thought--Don't embarrass yourself

--and on securing borders--I believe at least there is currently fence going up--but as I said previously--1st step is enforcing laws now on books-

Now give us your best on how your leading candidate who oversees sanctuary city and wants to give illegals drivers license--fits into enforcing current laws--already know the answer there--no answer.
 

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hezbolah terror leader imad mughniyeh was killed yesterday, remember him ? 83 bombing of US embassy in beirut.... 1995 American special foreces had this guy right where they wanted him... his plane was headed for your friends the saudis...... America asked for their help and they would not let his plane land so we could get him...... look it up. story on fox news today..... nothing has changed...... tell it to the people that lost loved ones on 911 that the saudis are our friends. There is no conspiracy...... time after time the saudis spit in our face and our lack of leadership allows it.
 
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