The end of Internet Gaming

hellah10

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I read the first paragraph and that was enough for me...

give me a break with that crap! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

me too....except I read the first sentence and saw " You need to be corralled"

fawk dat shit...corrall deeznutz
 

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Hey Bush and all his internet cronies :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger


Uh Oh I think I hear someone knocking at my door .


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yyz, I understand that the government, with help from ISPs and especially since they started up Carnivore, have been able to track activity for quite some time. But this latest initiative is different in my mind for several reasons. First of all, what they are looking for is a real-time system instead of a log-scanning system, whereby they can track the activities of every internet user simultaneously (huge technology challenge but someone thinks they can pull it off). Secondly, with the powers being granted to various security agencies, once an individual is being monitored they can be classified as a 'security risk' for lots of reason and I have no doubt that once the government starts down that road they will abuse the power. And finally, although this new system is being proposed under the guise of national security, if it were ever in place it would be a small step for the law enforcement agencies, the FBI for example, to monitor all people accessing off-shore books (which is illegal is it not?). I'm sure some do-gooder Senator (Kyle for example) would propose this legislation and most of the country wouldn't care and it would pass. It's then a simple step for them to shut you off from the internet for good.

This isn't some fairy tale. Carnivore exists right now and was instituted in spite of the concerns of privacy experts and civil rights experts. Carnivore did nothing to stop 9-11. In my opinion, it only serves as a means for the government to spy on its citizens - us - and once they have all the info they want it won't be long before they take action.

Just my opinion.
 

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hellah10 said:
Well, Carnivore is a giant internet monitoring program instituted under the auspices of the FBI about a year ago if I remember correctly. It logs all the traffic on the internet, analyses it for whatever the FBI wants, and then they act on the information. It didn't get much press at the time because the government doesn't really want people to know about it - they're spying on YOU, just like they're spying on all of us all the time. If you don't believe me just do a Google search for Carnivore and read some of the articles.

And, if you believe that the government won't abuse this information then just let me remind you that people never thought Enron, WorldComm, and all these other large corporations would be loaded with crooks who have severely damaged out economy. There WERE people warning about those companies - but they were declared 'wackos' and 'conspiracy theorists' and simply discarded. Once the sh*t hit the fan the 'wackos' were NOT consulted about their predictions, they're still classified as 'wackos', just lucky 'wackos'.

:)
 

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Carnivore, and its forefathers have been around a lot longer than a year, my friend.

I am not sure about how far they would want to reach for people, but internet gambling for a small time gambler won't be a big concern for them.
 

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Wow, interesting. Think of what a great job this could be. You can get 50,000 a year to report on internet gambling use.

I think the report would be something like this:

Last night a stopped 3 - $50 wagers from being placed.

:rolleyes:
 

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Well, have a good laugh about it guys, there are plenty of $50K per year government bureaucrats who do a lot less, I know several of them myself working at Fort Knox.

The bottom line is that I do not trust the government. I do not want them spending a ton of money snooping into my activities, they have no right to do that without probable cause.

I see another problem with this plan as well, governments of all sizes (federal, state, local) have been trying like crazy to figure out how to tax the internet. They just hate the idea of a tax-free enterprise zone. Don't you suppose that once a snooping system is in place that the states will go to the feds asking for that information so they can implement some sort of use tax? I certainly can see that happening. So perhaps they won't stop us from making that $50 wager, they'll just tack on 50 cents tax, just a little more juice. The American public would love that one.
 

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Carnivore is interesting. It supposedly tracks all keystrokes. I am all for privicy but if they are after gamblers it be very easy to just visit sports forums with all the goy 5 dimes ect flying around:lol:

Personally I make them a deal. I will voluntarily let them have access to my puter if they just promise to rid me of all the spam I get.
If they catch a few hackers and virus writers and throw in a terrorist or 2 I've got nothing they should be concerned about.

--but I'll agree Skinar it is a privacy issue and where do you draw the line.--however in this day and time it appears to be the lesser of evils.IMHO
 
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