The Scoring Spectrum

Nolan Dalla

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I meant to post this as a seperate thread, but it also appears in the TOTAL thread.The Scoring Spectrum
One thing I have used for many years when forecasting totals is to basically list ALL of the possible scenarios for scoring. In a post here today, there was some give and take on WHAT WILL HAPPEN TONIGHT? ONe poster who I respect speculated that he thought Miami would win 31-10 (which means an OVER).

He could be right.

However, let's list out the possible numbers here, given what might be expected in the game (conventionally speaking):

MIAMI BLOWOUT SCENARIOS:

16-0, 17-0, 20-0, 21-0, 24-0, 27-0, 28-0, 30-0, 31-0, 34-0, 35-0, 37-0, 38-0, 41-0, 42-0 , 16-3, 17-3, 20-3, 21-3, 24-3, 27-3, 28-3, 30-3, 31-3, 34-3, 35-3, 37-3, 38-3, 41-3, 42-3, 16-7, etc.

(CONCLUSION: the majority of these blowout scenarios favro the UNDER)


MIAMI WINS BY 9 to 11 SCENARIO (around the pointspread)

16-6, 16-7 17-7, 20-10, 21-10, 21-9, 23-13, 23-14, 24-13, 24-14, 27-17, 27-16, 30-20, 30-21 (higher scoring game than 50 very unlikely)

(CONCLUSION: these scenarios split about half and half for the OVER and UNDER)


CLOSE TIGHT GAME SCENARIO

14-13, 14-10, 16-13, 16-10, 17-10, 17-13, 17-14, 20-13, 20-14, 20-16, 20-17, 21-13, 21-14, 21-16, 21-17, 24-16, 24-17, 24-20, 24-21

CONCLUSION: most of these scenaios go UNDER the total, assuming there is not a high schoring shootout 45+ points scored)

Given these scenarios, it appears that the mean expectation would be about 34 points. Based on the spread, that means Miami winning about 22-12 (unlikely numerical score). I'd revise that to Miami 21-13.

The point of all this numerology is this: IT IS MUCH MORE LIKLEY THESE TWO TEAMS WILL GO UNDER THE EXPECTED TOTAL BY X plsu points, than OVER THE TOTAL by X plus point. For instance, it is conceivalbe this game could go UNDER by 10 points (lots of scores fit the 27 total) but less likely we see 47 points being scored.

Add one other point and a question: What do the Bears do when they have first and goal at the Miami 8-yard line? With virtually no running game, who will they punch the ball into the end zone? That point alone leans to to suspect a very low total coming from the Bears tonight, barring a disasterous performance by the Dolphins.

Now that I have dug myself into a grave here, I'll probably be eating crow tomorrow. Of course, one could mention the PITT-HOU game yesterday which nullified all the scnearios and shows how unpredicatable this business really is.

-- Nolan Dalla


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how about this:-----Miami 17-3 first-half-----2nd half--Miami will run and eat up the clock---ultimatlely keeping their d in control---2nd half score Miami 10-7


Final score 27-10
 

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My numbers indicate a total of 43-44. Just wathcing the weather right now, would appreciate local knowledge, frowning on these 17 mph winds.
 

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Nice write up Nolan :D

Call me crazy but I am just one of them guys who enjoys bettin' unders...and if you don't believe me I have the bank roll to prove it :rolleyes:
 
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Innavation:

Man, you blew that one! 27-10? You've got to be kidding. I mean, the actual final score was 27-9 and the moronic Bears went for 2 at the end of the game. Couldn't you have seen that coming? Man, talk about lost credibility.

:)

Seriously -- nice call.


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Jauron cost me a middle on the total. I wasn't really trying to middle it; just cancel out an over play I made (37) on Friday when I saw the bad weather. With over 37 and under 38 the only way I don't middle is if they go for 2 and miss. What was the point of going for 2 anyways? You can't make up 18 pts in 30 seconds.

Jauron is getting crucified (and rightly so) on talk radio here this morning for remarks he made to Marv Albert on the radio before the game. Basically "don't worry about the score or winning; just play hard."
 

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good call nolan, the one time i chose not to listen to you

i hate unders, leave me sweating all night long
 

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FED-

Any easy solution to handling unders: don't watch the game. Anyone who didn't watch last night's game didn't miss much.
 

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A wise older gentelman once told me that 90% of the things that you worry about 90% of the time.......never happen.

Betting unders seems easier to me, since you are usually winning your bet most of the game and that gives you a good chance to get a story ready for the bad break or big run back that screwed you right at the end.

Keep it Positive, Topdog

P.S. I just noticed.........how do you middle a 37 and 38??? A win and a push??

Thanks, Topdog
 

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Yeah; not a full middle but a win and a push still qualifies; especially since all I was trying to do was cancel out my original wager; willing to eat a little juice.

I agree on preferring to bet unders but I like them since in most sports they do come in a little bit more than overs, since the public is always on the over.
 

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Any easy solution to handling unders: don't watch the game. Anyone who didn't watch last night's game didn't miss much.


good advice,

but i cant help myself, i think of this hobby as just that, a hobby, nothing else, i wish i could look at sports gambling as a second income, but that just does not make sence to me..

it is so fun to gamble on sports, win or loose, as long as i can just about break even for a season,
 

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I liken losing an under bet to death by electrocution. You see mistakes leading to fast breaks and 3s and the anger inevitably follows. Losing an over is more like a lethal injection. You get lulled to sleep, and next thing you know you're (bet) dead.

I think most fans have a hard time with unders because they don't like the idea of having lost a bet before the game is over. Under bettors tend to probably win more close games, and have more blowout losses.
 

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good analigies, a lil extreme, but on the money....


do you think in all of sports gambling there has always been more over the totals? it seem that way to me , especally this year..


and of course i seem to be betting more unders:rolleyes:


what gives?
 

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There's almost always more unders. Check the trends on Wagerline. Virtually every sport will have more unders. Usually its around 51-52% unders.

There does seem to be a trend where many national TV games go over. I can't prove that w/numbers, but it does seem that way.
 
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