The Supreme Court continues with its liberal social activism

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Those who understand that America is not, was not designed to be, and should not become a democracy (those who recognize the dangers of mob rule) will be disturbed by this. Most Americans, victims of government school misinformation and indoctrination, will not be.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006361


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The Justices continue their liberal social activism.

Wednesday, March 2, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

Justice Anthony Kennedy has many attributes, but judicial modesty isn't one of them. His latest legislative diktat in the guise of a legal decision--issued yesterday in Roper v. Simmons--overturns 19 state laws on behalf of a "national consensus" that he alone seems to have defined.

Yesterday's ruling concerned a death penalty case, which isn't something we usually write about. But what makes Roper notable, and worthy of wider debate, is the way it symbolizes the current Supreme Court's burst of liberal social activism. From gay rights to racial preferences and now to the death penalty, a narrow majority of Justices has been imposing its own blue-state cultural mores on the rest of the country. We suspect it is also inviting a political backlash.

No doubt most Americans will concede that the death penalty for 16- and 17-year-olds is a difficult moral question. That is why different U.S. states have different laws on the matter, and we'd probably oppose such executions if we sat in a legislature. But rather than defer to the will of voters as expressed through state legislatures and at least two ballot initiatives (in Arizona and Florida), Roper imposes the view of five justices that the execution of 16- and 17-year-olds is both wrong and unconstitutional. As Justice Antonin Scalia writes in a dissent that is even more pungent than his usual offerings, "The court thus proclaims itself sole arbiter of our nation's moral standards."

Justice Kennedy rests his decision on his assertion that American society has reached a "national consensus" against capital punishment for juveniles, and that laws allowing it contravene modern "standards of decency." His evidence for this "consensus" is that of the 38 states that permit capital punishment, 18 have laws prohibiting the execution of murderers under the age of 18. As we do the math, that's a minority of 47% of those states. The dozen states that have no death penalty offer no views about special immunity for juveniles--and all 12 permit 16- and 17-year-olds to be treated as adults when charged with non-capital offenses.

This idea of invoking state laws to define a "consensus" also runs up against any number of notable Supreme Court precedents, including Roe v. Wade. When Roe was decided in 1973, all 50 states had some prohibition against abortion on the books. But never mind.

Even weaker is the Roper majority's selective reliance on scientific and sociological "evidence"--the kind that legislatures (and juries) are used to weighing. The American Psychological Association claims in this case that killers under the age of 18 are incapable of making appropriate moral judgments. But this is the same organization that has told the Court in the past that teen-age girls are mature enough to decide whether to have an abortion without parental input. Which is it?

Perhaps the most troubling feature of Roper is that it extends the High Court's recent habit of invoking foreign opinion in order to overrule American laws. "It is proper that we acknowledge the overwhelming weight of international opinion against the juvenile death penalty," Justice Kennedy writes. We thought the Constitution was the final arbiter of U.S. law, but apparently that's pass?.

In invoking international "opinion," however, the majority also seems rather selective. Justice Kennedy cites the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which outlaws the juvenile death penalty. But that Convention also prohibits imprisonment without parole for juvenile offenders--a penalty favored by some, if not all, 50 states. Is the Court ready to sign on to that international standard too?

Such inconsistency suggests that the real reason this Court has taken to invoking "international opinion" is because it is one more convenient rationale that the Justices can use to make their own moral values the law of the land. And it is no surprise that Justice Kennedy's majority opinion is joined by the four liberal Justices who have long been on record as opposing the juvenile death penalty--Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, David Souter and John Paul Stevens. In Roper they finally found a case, and an inventive legal hook, on which they could lure Justice Kennedy.

If there is a silver lining to this case, it is that it probably disqualifies Justice Kennedy from any consideration to be promoted to Chief Justice when William Rehnquist resigns. Some in Washington, and even some in the Bush Administration, have floated this possibility as a way to ensure an easy Senate confirmation. But we doubt that the red-state voters who re-elected President Bush, and gave Republicans a larger majority in the Senate, did so to promote a Justice who thinks their values are an affront to "standards of decency."
 

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For all intents and purposes, the Supreme Court has now ruled that a person cannot be executed for a crime committed when that person was less than 18 years old. Cruel and unusual punishment, says the court. The opinion was written by liberal justice Anthony Kennedy ... and this ruling sends ice water through the veins of anyone who understands our Constitution and the role of our Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court, you see, is expected to cite a Constitutional basis for its rulings. Not so in this case. Instead, Kennedy cites a "national consensus" and "international opinion."

Boiled down, "national consensus" is just another way of saying "the will of the majority." So now it seems official. The Supreme Court will base its rulings on what is and what is not constitutional based on the mood of the people; based on the whims of the mob. This is nothing less than the legitimization of the lynch mob. If' there's a "national consensus" that old so-and-so must hang, then hang he does, regardless of whether or not such niceties as the rule of law have been followed or Constitutional rights met. Perhaps the next step is for the Supremes to hire a polling firm to measure the mood of the people before they issue rulings on Constitutionality.

Then there is the reference to "international opinion", maybe some guidance from the Supremes is needed at this point. At what point does international opinion trump the dictates and limitations of our Constitution? Should the "international opinion" standard be used by the Supreme Court to decide whether or not a president's foreign policy initiatives are legal? Maybe Ted Kennedy and John Kerry should have tried to get a Supreme Court ruling on the legality of Bush's actions in Iraq. Using the "international opinion" standard, Bush's actions would almost certainly have been found to be unconstitutional.

Sadly, most of this will go unnoticed by the dumb masses. The vast majority of Americans will direct their attention to tonight's edition of Entertainment Tonight or whether or not there's enough brewski in the 'fridge for the weekend.
 

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Times change do to advances in science. When DNA starts showing us we would kill off folks that were not guilty to start with. It's time for a look see. I guess it would even be more cruel to someone 16 or 17 years old. And this court is not what I would call liberal. Middle of the road with a slight conservative approach seems closer. I know the conservatives think they should win all cases. But why would they ever think that. Lets make sure America always sets it self above such thinking.
 

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Am I missing something here or is this editorial outraged that some courts are deciding that it's unconstitutional to have the death penalty for people under 18? Is this even an issue? Who the hell cares? This is nothing.

Again, maybe I'm missing something. But I don't understand all the wasted energy. Whichever way this goes, does it affect anything? Hardly a battlefront worth getting all anti-liberal over....
 

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You two guys don?t seem to get it. The Supreme Court is expected to cite a Constitutional basis for its rulings. If it starts using opinions like "national consensus" we are in trouble. ?National Consensus? is just another way of saying "the will of the majority.?

So if the majority thinks that seizing your house to attract a brand-new corporate citizen, who needs your block of land to build on, then laws be damn you get the boot regardless of whether or not such niceties as the rule of law have been followed or Constitutional rights met.

That?s a problem?


As to the reference to "international opinion", at what point does international opinion trump the dictates and limitations of our Constitution?

These are huge problems?


So if you feel that it?s just a case of deciding that it's unconstitutional to have the death penalty for people under 18, and nobody cares, -- it shouldn?t bother you when you?re being relocated or what ever the masses (and or international opinion) feel you should do.
 

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I can't see a relevance between really what is a very small issue and possible big issues somewhere down the line. Seems very alarmist to assume that from this.
 

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But the courts have already decided much larger issues for the country than this. Doesn't seem new or alarming or anything really.
 

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it`s a known fact that drug dealers and their ilk use minors to as their surrogates to commit violent crimes.....

my guess is that this decision will ratchet that concept up a few notches.....

i can only say that i`m pro death penalty...and if one of my immediate family were the victim of one of these s.o.b.`s,i`m pretty sure that i`d exercise the death penalty on them myself if at all possible......and i`d try and make it as nasty as possible...



i know that sounds crazy... but,i couldn`t be more serious...i`m a major league hard-line prick when it comes to stuff like this......

taking the death penalty out of play is not a good idea,imo....

18...17...16....i could care less....

personally,i`m sick of innocents getting slaughtered by predators...of any age....

i don`t give a rat`s ass about some little shit that kills some poor pedestrian minding his own business....basically ruining the remaining lives of that person`s family...

call it retribution...that`s fine with me.......


funny,as i write this a 14 year old little bastard laid in wait for a bus driver and as she pulled up to pick him up,he shot her to death with a .45....as the bus coasted into a pole with a bunch of innocent kids on board...

over him not being able to chew tobacco on the bus or something...

fry the little bastard....

i`d pull the switch with no qualms...

and since when does national or international "consensus" have anything to do with anything constitutional?.............it`s not a popularity contest....
 
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Mr G - that is a strong stance. if my14 year son committed that crime, would I want him executed? Ouch. If it were my daughter that was shot, no doubt. I'm glad I don't make those decisions. A previous poster said it's a personal issue. For me it would have to be.
 

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smurphy:

Thank God, we are back to normal, my friend.

Let me try to explain this to you: The purpose of Congress is to pass laws - the purpose of the SC is to rule on the constitutionality of those laws.

The SC may not make laws.......it is very simple. The SC has done more to undermine the Constitution of this geat nation that any terrorist cell..........judicial activism not only threatens democracy in a very meaningful way, but it clearly subverts the US Constitution and the defined roles of the branches of Govt.

Hopefully that clears things up for you Smurph......feels better to be on our regular sides, doesn't it?

Cheers.
 

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i found it interesting to note that one justice felt that our laws had to appeal to the court of world opinion.

My history book told me that Americans decided to have a government for the people, not a government run by a King. Why should we care what the Europeans think about this?

Only 3 teens between 16 and 17 have been executed in the last 10 years. This is not an everyday occurrence. In most states if you are sentenced to death you are not likely to be put to death for 20 years.

Englishman - enjoy your comments and they are right on. The only job of the SC is to rule whether a law is in violation of the Constiitution. That and nothing else.
 

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total BS what the stench on the bench is doing

now that Rhenquist is passing away, we only have 1 guy we can count on .....scalia

what a brilliant dissent the man authored on this horrible ruling with absolutely NO constitutional basis
 

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Turfgrass:

If you honestly contend that this Supreme Court is "liberal", e-mail me as I know of several well-qualified therapists affiliated with Duke University in the Raleigh Durham metropolitan area. Since you are apparently upset about activist judges any comment on the judge that ruled sex toys are illegal in Alabama? What would your opinion be if the courts rule that religous symbols can be put in public institutions? A cross, bible or ten commandments okay? How bout the Koran, pentagram, or statute of Buddah?

People like you are very scary.

Eddie
 

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The SC is out of control and damaging America. Scalia and Thomas are really the only reliable allies the Constitution has. They alone seem to understand that the SC was not intended to MAKE laws.

Funny how the lefties on this site are so quiet on this - the left is really without any principles of any kind. The SC is the worst form of socialism ever manifested in the US and it's actions since the end of WWII have served only to undermine the very constitution that they are supposed to uphold.
 

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Speaking of individuals in need of massive amounts of therapy, the good doctor and I posted at about the same time so I didnt have the pleasure of seeing his well thought out statement prior to my post.

For the sake of argument (and in my case hysterical laughter) I'm interested in the good Doctors opinions on the forgoing. You know, religous symbols, sex toys and the other liberal rantings of these judges and lawyers bent on the overthrow of all that is good and honest.

My apologies for asking the foregoing as I do not like when others ask me to present my views on topics (ie. CharlesManson, Spibble Spabble or whatever). However, if you would be so kind as to indulge me. I'm real interested in how the forums resident whack job (and apparently his intern) view these current events.

Eddie
 

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Gosh darn it, Englishman, here you go posting over my post. I didn't get a chance to read your position on this issue as I was typing the foregoing. Did you copy your views from Mein Kampf?

Scalia is of the David Duke model of the American citizen. Thomas is known by all with half a brain (which disqualifies you, Turfgrass and of course the good doctor) as Uncle Clarence. He knows who butters his bread.

So Kennedy, O'Conner, Souter, Ginsburg, Stevens and Breyer are activist liberal socialist justices. Wow. No let me repeat that, wow. Do you realize how akin the three of you are to the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I'm not kidding. Read about it and your positions are identical.

The only part of your comment that I agree with Englishman is the part where the supreme court is damaging America. The case that most poigniantly proved that point was captioned Gore v. Bush. Read it sometime and look at David Boise' argument. Funny how this liberal activist socialist supreme court ignored constitutional arguments to put this felon in the White House.

The three of you are very ill and frightening.

Eddie
 

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I?m sorry you find me scary Eddie, but of all people I thought you would find this disturbing as this decision is based on the belief that American society has reached a "national consensus" against capital punishment for juveniles. (MOB RULE)

I thought we have laws to protect the minority. When did the majority make something unconstitutional?

And when did you find it ok to invoke ?international opinion"? I thought our constitution was brought forth by the people of this nation, not the UN. But I guess you are a supporter of that organization so that?s ok with you.

I personally don?t want to see any youth sentenced to death, but I really don?t want to see a "national consensus" and ?international opinion? become the basis of our constitutional law.


PS> I could care less about any decisions in Alabama as they do not affect my way of life.
 
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