There's been a lot of talk about the PUBLIC Maybe too much talk

Trentwalker

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Seems to me that everyone wants to blame the public for every bad beat or peculiar line. In one thread today, someone rationalized a line moving in Oaklands favor as "the public is on Oakland", when in fact he reading it wrong. The line was moving in Denver's favor, to which the next post said "Public is on Denver".

I'm not bashing, I'm guilty of it too. I just think that we should try to look deeper into trends rather than just shrugging off everything as being attributable to the public.

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I hear ya, and I do it all the time too. Whenever we talk about the public, we are always guessing to some degree on whether it's really the public moving the lines, or is it the sharps? Though early line moves are usually sharp money, and gameday moves, especially in the hour or two before kickoff, ARE usually the public. There are other sources out there too for checking out who the public is on. I quote Big Guy's #'s a lot because it does seem to represent the general public from my experience. About 2/3 of the guys there lose, and they take mostly favorites and Overs.

What I don't agree with is your second paragraph, saying we should give trends more weight. Trends in my opinion are very misleading, and are often data-mined to work. IE. A trend will say Team X has gone 14-3 when favored by 4 to 5? points. The author of something like this surely started out looking at a wider spread range, but then trimmed off the 3? and 6 point games, and everything beyond that, to get numbers that really stood out. Doing this just produces misleading fluke numbers because there is no reason for a team to cover 4 to 5? but not 3? or 6.

With thousands of possible trends out there, there are always going to be a few that stick out simply by the randomness of it all.

The other thing I don't like about trends is that for a trend to have validity, it must have a certain number of plays, or trials. But to get a proper number of trials, a trend has to go back more than a few years because there just aren't that many games each year. Any trend that compares a specific team or matchup that goes back more than about 3 years is in my opinion irrelevant because so much has changed in that time. Chances are there are only a handful of players on the current team that were on the team 3+ years ago...probably a different coach...maybe even a different stadium...and then the opponent has also changed just as much. A team may have built a huge edge years ago because they were simply much better than the opponent you are comparing them to, but now that formerly-bad team is good, and vice versa. So we're basing today's game on things that happened in 1992 or 1981 or whatever, when it has no real bearing.
 

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The Game has changed

The Game has changed

GM, Very good points. There was a time, before computers and the internet, when seat of the pants capping was profitable. Then came the salary cap, instant reply, and bigger gambling money.
I lost touch, when I was unable to assess the ability of the back up QB. These quick changes, along with expansion and realignment make less of a factor of history. Even Insurance companies are having a tougher time predicting the future based on the past.
Anyone know that Texas A&M had a back up QB that would lead them to beat Oklahoma, and that the coach would play him???
Look at rules changes in the NHL that added lots of points to every game, to increase public intrest.

Keep it Positive, Topdog
 
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