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Scott4USC

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Found bits of this article on Fox Sports very amusing. :D

"Florida's decline under Zook is not encouraging, although he came to a program without a tremendous amount of talent and has since recruited well enough that he might win based on overwhelming talent rather than coaching acumen as his predecessor did."

"Nick Saban led LSU to a Sugar Bowl win and co-national title in 2003. I don't think anyone would argue with Nick Saban at the top of the list, although it must be said that he, like most defensively-oriented coaches, is one bad offensive coordinator hire away from coming back to the pack. It seems inevitable that Jimbo Fisher will get a head coaching gig and Saban will have to replace him well to retain this ranking. (If you need an illustration of a program that has struggled to replace a very good offensive coordinator, please see Tennessee, The University of.)"

"Well, get ready for a bunch of schlock in the opening weeks of this season. Outside of the "we don't have a choice about playing this game" rivalries (USC-Clemson, Georgia-Georgia Tech, etc.,) there are almost no marquee out-of-conference match-ups. The only teams that get any credit for risking their necks are LSU (against Oregon State,) Arkansas (against Texas,) and Tennessee (against Notre Dame.) After that, one has to scrape the barrel with Bama-Southern Miss, Ole Miss-Memphis, and Georgia-Marshall. I used to buy the "SEC play is too tough to add in additional challenging games" mantra, but how can that be right when teams played tough out-of-conference games when the schedule expanded to 12 games? I know that schools have athletic budgets to balance and they need home dates, but speaking solely as a fan of SEC football, I'm going to miss seeing the teams in the SEC tested against quality opposition."

"Much of Auburn's problem last year was their schedule. As mentioned, they played five teams that won 10+ games. They played at Baton Rouge and at Athens, where the current regimes lose very few games. They played at Arkansas and at Georgia Tech, two difficult locales. Their schedule did not set up for them like Ohio State's did in 2002 or LSU's did last year. In the end, the combination of their elevated expectations and a very challenging schedule did them in. (Well, that and a frighteningly inept offense.) This year, the schedule is much friendlier. The out-of-conference schedule is, as my grandfather would say, pusillanimous (an English way of saying timid and yes, I had to look it up.) LSU and Georgia both come to Auburn (although Auburn hasn't had a lot of success against the Dawgs at home.) The West will likely be weaker this year than it was in 2003. Auburn may go from 7-5 to 9-2 and still be a worse team than their 2003 outfit. Ah, the irony."

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Hey Scott, could you post an article talking about the Pac 10 conference schedule? Can you find anyone claiming it to be grueling?

Shudder.... that trip to Palo Alto is a trecherous one....
 

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Here's my favorite article from the last week


Defending national champion(sic) USC's football game at BYU this coming season has been moved to Sept. 18. It will be shown live nationally on ESPN during primetime, with exact kickoff time to be determined.

The game originally was scheduled for Sept. 4.

"There were a number of reasons why we made this date switch," said USC senior associate athletic director Daryl Gross. "First, having an early bye favors our players academically by allowing them to start school properly. It lets them have a week off between our big road opener (Aug. 28 against Virginia Tech in the Black Coaches Association Classic in Landover, Md.) and our home opener (Sept. 11 versus Colorado State). Otherwise, they would miss significant portions of class time while traveling during the first two weeks of the semester.

"Second, competitively, coach Pete Carroll is all for it because it helps balance out our schedule. Now we won't have two byes in a three-week span (USC doesn't play on Oct. 2).

"And third, now our fans throughout the country can see the game on live national television.

"We've been working on this change for quite a while and there have been lots of hurdles to overcome. We understand that the lateness of this change might inconvenience some of our fans who made plans based on the original date. We will do everything we can to accommodate them. But we believe that our fans support the academic welfare of our student-athletes and they also understand how this gives us a competitive edge."

Fan who have purchased tickets to the BYU game from the USC Ticket Office will be contacted soon.

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2004 USC FOOTBALL SCHEDULE

Aug. 28 -- vs. Virginia Tech (at Landover, Md.)

Sept. 11 -- Colorado State

Sept. 18 -- at BYU

Sept. 25 -- at Stanford

Oct. 9 -- California

Oct. 16 -- Arizona State

Oct. 23 -- Washington

Oct. 30 -- at Washington State

Nov. 6 -- at Oregon State

Nov. 13 -- Arizona

Nov. 27 -- Notre Dame

Dec. 4 -- at UCLA

Interesting that they choose to take the off week before hosting Colorado State and not save it for that "grueling" conference schedule. I can understand a Stanford, Rice or Notre Dame :) siting academic reasons for a schedule change, but a rent-a-player school like Southern Cal? as I said . . . interesting
 

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Hey BobbyDUMBChip :banghead:

Interesting that they choose to take the off week before hosting Colorado State and not save it for that "grueling" conference schedule. I can understand a Stanford, Rice or Notre Dame siting academic reasons for a schedule change, but a rent-a-player school like Southern Cal? as I said . . . interesting

USC is one of the top academic Universities in the country. USC has surpassed UCLA and CAL Berkeley who both are top rated academic Universities in the country. The average USC incoming freshman GPA was over 4.0 and SAT over 1370. :eek:

USC was named college of the year in 2000!

From the top of my head, I know USC has the #1 Film School in the nation, #1 Music School in the nation, #2 Accounting Program in the nation, and #10 Business School in the nation. I think the engineering program is also ranked in the top 10 in the nation.

For incoming athletes, USC has a higher min. entrance than the NCAA requires. Unlike OU, LSU, etc. USC will not accept anybody. In addition, USC does NOT accept partial qualifiers. Oh yeah, USC also has a much higher athlete graduation % compared to other top college football programs. USC still is able to out-recruit everybody.

I think you failed to mention the #1 reason USC re-scheduled. ND wanted the game changed and it was up to USC to give the ok. The change benefits USC so they allowed it. USC did not contact BYU to get the game changed as your post implies. ND wanted to play a game prior to playing Michigan. They got what they wanted.

Is ND ready for another spanking by USC this upcoming season? :D
 
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Scott4USC said:
USC is one of the top academic Universities in the country. USC has surpassed UCLA and CAL Berkeley who both are top rated academic Universities in the country. The average USC incoming freshman GPA was over 4.0 and SAT over 1370. :eek:

USC was named college of the year in 2000!

From the top of my head, I know USC has the #1 Film School in the nation, #1 Music School in the nation, #2 Accounting Program in the nation, and #10 Business School in the nation. I think the engineering program is also ranked in the top 10 in the nation.

Where did you get these rankings from? Your buddies at collegefootballdatawarehouse?

#2 Accounting program? These guys don't think so US News

Top 10 business school? Never heard that. And as far as the #1 Music School, I guess I'll have to take you're word on that. :shrug: USC has a great grad school, but as far as undergrad . . . it's a nice place to network if you want to stay in the LA area. And why would anyone want to do that?

I wasn't even talking about the school, I was talking about the rented players. I couldn't find a list of their majors on their site and I'm not sure why. Maybe they major in music.

I think you failed to mention the #1 reason USC re-scheduled. ND wanted the game changed and it was up to USC to give the ok. The change benefits USC so they allowed it. USC did not contact BYU to get the game changed as your post implies. ND wanted to play a game prior to playing Michigan. They got what they wanted.

USC putting Notre Dame's interest ahead of their own. That's about as believable as them rescheduling because it "favors our players academically by allowing them to start school properly." Notre Dame wants USC to play in South Bend in November, but they won't do that. I love your "anyone, anywhere" banter about Southern Cal scheduling. I guess that doesn't include Northern Indiana after October.

Is ND ready for another spanking by USC this upcoming season? :D [/B][/QUOTE]

. . . Yep. And we're ready to tank another game at Syracuse, too and take away your chance to play for a national championship. Southern Cal's about 19 wins short of evening this series, Scott, so talk to me about spakings in another 20 years (assuming probation hasn't already set in.)
 

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Scott, your USC schedule this year looks like a cupcake. You better hope BYU can win a few here and there. What's sad is once again you don't even have to play Oregon.
 

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You still do not understand. ND is the one who contacted BYU to play them the weekend they were suppose to play USC. It then was up to USC to decide if they wanted to change the date. USC thought changing the date benefited themselves academically and football wise as well. So USC accepted the change. This schedule change NEVER would have happened without ND.

Notre Dame wants USC to play in South Bend in November, but they won't do that. I love your "anyone, anywhere" banter about Southern Cal scheduling. I guess that doesn't include Northern Indiana after October.

Do you honestly want to see the greatest cross country rivalry being played in November in South Bend? The weather is horrible at that time of year. Why not play it in Oct. where the weather is nice and weather would "not" be a factor in deciding who wins the game. Playing in Oct. is more enjoyable for the fans and teams. Your right, USC was the one who told ND it is not right to play late in November, but I have to agree 100% that playing late Nov. is stupid. Oct. is middle of season and both teams should be playing great football. I find it odd you would prefer to play late November.

Is ND ready for another spanking by USC this upcoming season?

. . . Yep. And we're ready to tank another game at Syracuse, too and take away your chance to play for a national championship.

:142lmao: Nice reply, that was funny. (seriously) :lol2

I respect ND and even as Trojan fan, I actually want ND to rise back to the top where they belong. (although right behind USC) I know ND has the series lead but it has been a long time since ND has dominated USC the way USC is dominating ND. I am 23 so I have not seen many USC victories over ND. Why ND got rid of Holtz is beyond me. The guy was great. ND always had coaching advantage over USC. Now USC has huge coaching advantage over ND.

Question for you. Are you happy with the success of USC? (it at least would give you high hopes that ND can easily return back to glory) What is your honest opinion of Pete Carroll? What is your opinion of Willingham? I thought it was bad hire. He only has great team every 4-5 years because west coast offense does not work at the college level. Lastly, if you follow ND very closely, how pissed are you that ND did not land Reggie Bush? He was a ND lock and headed your way but Carroll closed him out.

Stop saying this probation BS. That is a very unfair statement to make. All signs point to Carroll running a clean program and his players graduate as well. Not fair thing to say.
 

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Scott4USC said:
I respect ND and even as Trojan fan, I actually want ND to rise back to the top where they belong. (although right behind USC) I know ND has the series lead but it has been a long time since ND has dominated USC the way USC is dominating ND.[/b]

It's actually been two years, Scott. It's a two-year run. I think it's great for college football when USC is good, Alabama is good, Penn State is good. I'm happy that a team that has a great tradition is good. However, Rivalries should be played the same time every year. Auburn-Alabama ; Florida - Florida State ; Florida - Tennessee ; Ohio State - Michigan ; Texas - Oklahoma ; Army - Navy . All the same time every year, except for the softie Southern Cal team from La-La land.

I am 23 so I have not seen many USC victories over ND. Why ND got rid of Holtz is beyond me. The guy was great.
It was a pissing match once the he was told that Randy Moss had to leave. He recruited choir boys in Jarious Jackson's recruiting year just to show the administration how things would be if he followed their rules. He tanked the program to prove a point.

What is your honest opinion of Pete Carroll?
I think he smiles a lot. a lot.

What is your opinion of Willingham?
I'm a big fan. However, anytime he wants to go out and recruit, that's fine by me.

I thought it was bad hire. He only has great team every 4-5 years because west coast offense does not work at the college level.
West coast offense will work fine. He took the easy road his first year and didn't ditch the run offense that suited his players so that he could get a flashy record and get the alumni behind him, but it's still not an offense that will attract superstars. He should have taken his lumps when he had the grace period.


Lastly, if you follow ND very closely, how pissed are you that ND did not land Reggie Bush? He was a ND lock and headed your way but Carroll closed him out.
Recruiting doesn't interest me (I'm not saying it's not important), it's just not something that interests me.

Stop saying this probation BS. That is a very unfair statement to make. All signs point to Carroll running a clean program and his players graduate as well. Not fair thing to say.

Pete Carroll is charismatic, but he isn't that smooth and he's had a lot of success on the recruiting trail (according to the experts). If you think that everything's on the up and up, you're naive.
 
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