Three dozen more people killed today-including 2 CBS embedded journalists

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(CBS/AP) Two members of a CBS News team, veteran cameraman Paul Douglas, 48, and soundman James Brolan, 42, were killed and correspondent Kimberly Dozier, 39, was seriously injured Monday when the Baghdad military unit in which they were embedded was attacked.

They were reporting on patrol with the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, when their convoy was struck by a roadside bomb.

The attack was among a slew of car and roadside bombs left about three dozen people dead before noon Monday, including one explosion that killed 10 people on a bus. Nearly all the attacks occurred in Baghdad.

Here is the official dispatch from CBS News "A CBS News television crew embedded with the 4th Infantry Division of the U.S. Army came under attack today in central Baghdad. The journalists were reporting from outside their humvee and are believed to have been wearing their protective gear. Cameraman Paul Douglas and soundman James Brolan, both London-based, were killed. Douglas, 48, had worked for CBS News in many countries, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Rwanda and Bosnia, since the early 1990s. Brolan, 42, was a freelancer who had worked with CBS News in Baghdad and Afghanistan over the past year. He was part of the CBS News team that had received a 2006 Overseas Press Club Award for its reporting on the Pakistan earthquake.

CBS News Correspondent Kimberly Dozier, 39, sustained serious injuries in the attack and underwent surgery at a U.S. military hospital in Baghdad. She is in critical condition, but doctors are cautiously optimistic about her prognosis."

Dozier and her crew are among the latest American television journalists to become casualties in Iraq. Former ABC News "World News Tonight" co-anchor Bob Woodruff and cameraman Doug Vogt suffered severe injuries in a roadside bombing in Iraq Jan. 29, 2006. Woodruff is still recovering from serious head injuries and broken bones. Cameraman Vogt has returned home to France for more rehab.

On April 6, 2003, David Bloom, 39, an American journalist for NBC television, embedded with U.S. troops in Iraq died from an apparent blood clot near Baghdad.

All over the region, explosions began just after dawn, with one roadside bomb killing 10 people and injuring another 12 who worked for an Iranian organization opposed to the regime in Iran, police said.

The explosions began just after dawn, with one roadside bomb killing 10 people and injuring another 12 who worked for an Iranian organization opposed to the regime in Iran, police said.

A car bomb parked near Baghdad's main Sunni Abu Hanifa mosque killed at least nine Iraqi civilians and wounded 25, said Saif al-Janabi, director of Noaman hospital. It exploded at noon in north Baghdad's Azamiyah neighborhood and was so powerful it vaporized the vehicle. Rescue crews and Iraqi army soldiers were carrying stretchers toward waiting ambulances, Associated Press TV footage showed.

A bomb planted in a parked minivan killed at least seven and injured at least 20 when it exploded at the entrance to an open-air market selling secondhand clothes in the northern Baghdad suburb of Kazimiyah.

Another parked car bomb exploded near Ibin al-Haitham college in Azamiyah, also in northern Baghdad, killing two civilians and wounding at least five others - including four Iraqi soldiers, police Lt. Col. Falah al-Mohammedawi said.

In Baghdad's Tahariyat Square, a parked car bomb targeting an American convoy killed one civilian and injured nine , police Lt. Col. Abbas Mohammed Salman said. It was not known if there were any U.S. casualties, but at least one Humvee was seen on fire.

A second bomb targeting an Iraqi police patrol near the square killed one and wounded 10 - including four police.

In other attacks, a roadside bomb killed two police officer and wounded three others in downtown Baghdad's Karradah district, while one man was killed and six were injured when a bomb hidden in a minivan used as a bus exploded.

Another roadside bomb killed two police officer and wounded three others in downtown Baghdad's Karradah district, while one man was killed and six were injured when a bomb hidden in a minivan used as a bus exploded.

The day's most serious attack targeted a public bus near Khalis, 50 miles north of Baghdad in Diyala province, an area notorious for such attacks, provincial police said.

All the dead were workers at the Ashraf base of the Mujahedeen Khalk, or MEK, which opposes Iran's regime. The group, made up of Iranian dissidents living in Iraq, said the dead were Iraqi workers heading to their camp.

The blast pushed in the side of the white public bus and peppered its blackened side with shrapnel holes. The bus, later inspected by U.S. Army troops, was streaked in blood, Associated Press TV footage showed.

"We were transporting the workers from Baqouba to the Mujahedeen Khalk when the roadside bomb exploded and killed all these people," one man who was on the bus told AP TV.
 

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man do I hate to hear read this stuff. I hate all of it and all those that are dying (except the scum planting the bombs). I'm really getting ready for a pull-out. Makes me sick...
 

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man do I hate to hear read this stuff. I hate all of it and all those that are dying (except the scum planting the bombs). I'm really getting ready for a pull-out. Makes me sick...


that's what these thugs are trying to accomplish...

for us to get sick of these deaths & demand that the troops should come home...
 

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Another day, another half dozen car bombs, another 50-60 dead.

Just another average day of democracy blooming in the middle east.

Tomorrow will be the same.

And the day after that.

Guerilla warfare against thousands of willing participants.

Only thing is they have more bombs and cars than the American people have billions to waste.
 

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that's what these thugs are trying to accomplish...

for us to get sick of these deaths & demand that the troops should come home...

I don't know what's the answer, Al. I do remember posting way back (can't find a dang thing on the search feature here now) when we did invade Iraq that I was worried about the possible terrorist/guerrilla warfare, and I suggested how much trouble and ultimately the defeat that the guerrillas inflicted on the French in Spain (Peninsular War) and many countries against the Axis (WWII). Sad, sad, sad. I hate it.
 

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"that's what these thugs are trying to accomplish..."

You are 100% and 10% correct AR. The only way this war can be lost is by those not fighting it. The media does its best to contribute--I have yet to figure out how they use word "attacked" in correlation to a planted explosive device--

You have a country that despite all the chaos turn out record #'s to participate in their freedom and many in U.S. that won't drive to vote if its hot complaining --is it worth it.

On this memorial day as we revisit many wars we fought during our short history--it should be obvious-- freedom has never been free.

The VERY Worst outcome of Agan/Iraq war would to be have it decided by those not doing the fighting or who lives will be determined by the outcome. It is impossible for terrorist to win there without support of their "unofficial accomplices" that they are counting on--as it was in another war fought not so long ago.
As it was back then--the media will wail about the dozen here or 50 there--but say little about the 1,000,000+ deaths that resulted in their "unofficial accomplice" capacity last time.

One more retreat and the world will be using the U.S. and France in same context--

How about this--everyone support troops doing the fighting and if they want to concentrate on deaths--let them get on U.S. service related accidental deaths--proportionately you'd think it would be greater concern--but would not be so prolific for front page news----

"Even during the (per MSM) utopic peacetime of Bill Clinton's term, we lost 4302 service personnel. H.W. Bush and Reagan actually lost significantly more personnel while never fighting an extensive war, much less a simulaltaneous war on two theaters (Iraq and Afghanistan). Even the dovish Carter lost more people duing his last year in office, in 1980 lost 2392, than W. has lost in any single year of his presidency. (2005 figures are not available but I would wager the numbers would be slightly higher than 2004.) In 2004, more soldiers died outside of Iraq and Afghanistan than died inside these two war zones (900 in these zones, 987 outside these zones). The reason is that there are usually a fair number that die every year in training accidents, as well as a small number of illness and suicide. Yet the MSM would make you think that US soldiers are dying at a high number in these zones, and at a significantly higher number than in past years or under past presidents. This is all simlpy outright lies and distortion."
 
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Bad strategy from the start. Our chickenhawk leadership doesn't understand war, refused to listen to the generals who do understand, so this naturally is what happens. It's too bad that so many people around here have partisan blinders on to the point of blaming the media more than a fundamentally wrong military strategy.

At least Bush has acknowledged that "Bring it on" was a mistake. A commentator compared him finally admitting a mistake to Fonzie struggling to say he's wrong to Richie.
 

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imo their mistake was not enough soldiers on the ground in the aftermath of the war....powell's military philosophy was to over-whelm the enemy.....& that was vetoed by the people making the decisions...
 
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"The only way this war can be lost is by those not fighting it....it is impossible for terrorists to win there without support of their "unofficial accomplices" that they are counting on--as it was in another war fought not so long ago."

All the insurgents/terrorists need to do is continue the same strategy as they employ right now.....

Kill the elected leaders, plant enough car bombs and IED's to kill the "infidels", have a few skirmishes and firefights to keep the American presence and keep the billions of dollars flowing into this war.....as time goes by the mighty military force caves in because of the gross expense of maintaining that presence in the cost in deaths and the cash outlay involved.

It has cost us hundreds of billions of dollars over the past years we have been there.....that simply cannot and will not go on forever....

In short, all they have to do to win is keep us there.

The Russians learned that lesson with Afghanistan, and we will learn that lesson again and this time it will be very, very costly.

As far as your reference to Vietnam.....that was winnable had we chose to take it to the North and make it unbearable for them...we could have bombed the North flat with conventional weaponry and ended that war in a few months.....instead we chose to fight a war of attrition in the jungles and drag it out ten years...twenty or thirty years more wouldn't have mattered with that useless strategy....

Whatever your thoughts on the media are, the media won't change the strategies or conditions that are in effect......the media can report whatever it wants but the fact remains that all the insurgents/terrorists need to do is keep us there, and keep us spending hundreds of billions of dollars, and keep bringing body bags back with dead American soldiers.....they will win with the current strategies in place.

There will come a time when our citizens and politicians will say enough is enough.
 
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The problem is simple , the Iraqi people are not stepping up to defend the chance at creating a Nation that gets itself out of the stone age..

Whether it be Religion, anti-U.S. , Political jealousy etc etc... the people sabotage their own road to prosperity.. Tell me somebody doesn't see these IEDs being planted, it takes time to set up multiple blast IEDs...There is no such thing as a Secret, they just do not want to give up info in fear of retaliation which is somewhat understandable , but that attitude is the path to a Nation of Chaos... Imagine if the American Revolution had the backbone of the Iraq people, we would still be wearing wigs...
We could have a Million Soldiers in Iraq and it will not change a thing until each Iraqi stands up to take its Nation out of the Stone Age...
 

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I keep herring they turn out for elections in Iraq in record numbers. What do we have to measure that against. And what happens when were gone. Do they show up only because we are there to help. We can't stay there for every election.
And Bush admitting mistakes is about 3 years late. And if Tony Blair was not standing there admitting problems were handle in wrong way. Bush may never have said a thing.
 

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Bush has accomplished his misison in Iraq and I'm not convinced that he cares about anyone who dies over there.... much less what becomes of the Iraqi people.

Before the war, the State Department drafted a secret 323-page plan for Iraq?s oil which directed the Iraqis to maintain a state oil company that would ?enhance its relationship with OPEC? and allow OPEC and Saudi Arabia to limit the amount of oil distributed by Iraq. Less production of oil from Iraq = more money for oil companies.

The five largest oil companies profited $113 billion in 2005 ? compared to $34 billion in 2002 before Operation Iraqi Liberation. This makes Bush & Dick very happy.

The price of oil, from Clinton peace-time to Bush war-time is up 317 percent.

After all, the original announcement of the Iraq war by Fleischer was called ?Operation Iraqi Liberation? O.I.L., quickly changed by Rove to ?Operation Iraqi Freedom?.
 

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Before the war, the State Department drafted a secret 323-page plan for Iraq?s oil which directed the Iraqis to maintain a state oil company that would ?enhance its relationship with OPEC? and allow OPEC and Saudi Arabia to limit the amount of oil distributed by Iraq. Less production of oil from Iraq = more money for oil companies.

You have a copy of this we could peruse? Thanks.
 

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The problem is simple , the Iraqi people are not stepping up to defend the chance at creating a Nation that gets itself out of the stone age..

Whether it be Religion, anti-U.S. , Political jealousy etc etc... the people sabotage their own road to prosperity.. Tell me somebody doesn't see these IEDs being planted, it takes time to set up multiple blast IEDs...There is no such thing as a Secret, they just do not want to give up info in fear of retaliation which is somewhat understandable , but that attitude is the path to a Nation of Chaos... Imagine if the American Revolution had the backbone of the Iraq people, we would still be wearing wigs...
We could have a Million Soldiers in Iraq and it will not change a thing until each Iraqi stands up to take its Nation out of the Stone Age...

Really not that much different than people who witness thug gang killings here in the US and do not report it to the police.

If we can just find some way to overcome the human condition, we could create paradise.
 

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"The price of oil, from Clinton peace-time to Bush war-time is up 317 percent."

That might be true if you used liberal #'s ie the lowest rates in Clintons vs highest in Bush.
--and what did either pres have to do with price of oil?

and your Clinton "peace time era" what do you think it cost our economy to look the other way after 1st trade tower attack and pass on taking UBL when offered on silver platter--or trying to bribe NK for a promise

What his peace time era accompilished was letting terrorist train opening unabated for 8 years--and let North Korea build nuke arsenal with the United States footing the bill.
 

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"In short, all they have to do to win is keep us there."

---Elaborate on that one if you would??

The Russians learned that lesson with Afghanistan, and we will learn that lesson again and this time it will be very, very costly.

--Lest you forget the "fact" of the matter this "incompetent" admin-- accomplished in Afagan in "days" that which Russia could not do in years--if memory serves me correctly.
 
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--Lest you forget the "fact" of the matter this "incompetent" admin-- accomplished in Afagan in "days" that which Russia could not do in years--if memory serves me correctly.

I guess you are dismissing one of the main reasons we went into Afghanistan in the first place...to find and either kill or bring to justice Osama Bin Laden. Bin Laden remains the figurehead of terrorism and insurgency to this day, and your comment mirrors Bush's "Mission Accomplished" assessment. Bush's solution to getting Bin Laden - the motivating and politicized main reason for all of his middle eastern aggression? Pull out troops and firepower and attack another country.

You criticize Clinton for not taking care of Bin Laden, and give Bush a free pass for the exact same thing. Pretty hollow, if you ask me.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
"The price of oil, from Clinton peace-time to Bush war-time is up 317 percent."

That might be true if you used liberal #'s ie the lowest rates in Clintons vs highest in Bush.
--and what did either pres have to do with price of oil?

I'm not sure that Bush is actually plugged in or smart enough to have anything to do with anything in this administration, first of all. But I digress...

Dick Cheney certainly had plenty to do with our current energy policy and how we got to where we are today. When you invite oil and energy executives (including Enron and Halliburton executives) into the White House to help create Bush's "energy policy" and then refuse to release content and details of those meetings, I think you have a telling tale. The price of gas is skyrocketing, the oil companies are showing record profits.

The oil companies apparently are not doing much to help keep the price of gas down, are they? Not that they should, necessarily, but to say that they aren't at least partially to blame for it - including the administration, specifically Dick Cheney - is a pretty big leap of faith (to put it delicately). Through tax incentives and cuts, we were all asked to help the oil companies create more production and delivery systems for oil, to help out future supplies and demands, right? What have we received for this faith?

Do you need gas today? Keep the faith, brother.
 

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well, there is no longer a mass murderer atop one of the oil-richest states in the world.....imagine what iraq would now look like with $70 a barrel oil, a $50 billion unchecked and ongoing oil-for-food u.n.. scandal, the 15th year of no-fly zones, a punitative u.n. embargo on the iraqi people — all perverted by russian arms sales, european oil concessions, and crazed chinese efforts to get energy contracts from saddam......



the kurds would remain in perpetual danger.....the shiites would still be slaughtered daily, in quiet, by saddam’s police state......

perhaps saddam would have upped his cash pay-outs for homicide bombers on the west bank.....

mohammar khaddafi would be starting up his centrifuges and adding to his chemical weapons depots.....

syria would still be in lebanon.....

washington would probably have ceased pressuring egypt and the gulf states to enact reform.....

dr. khan’s nuclear mail-order house would be in high gear.....

we would still be hearing of a “militant wing” of hamas, rather than watching a democratically elected terrorist clique reveal its true creed to the world.....

but,oil?......that`s apparently not what did these brave americans fought for.....

the price skyrocketed after they went in. ....the secret deals with russia and france ended....

the u.n. petroleum perfidy stopped....the iraqis, and the iraqis alone — not saddam, the french, the russians, or the u.n. — now say how much of their natural resources they will sell, and to whom......v.d.h...

i was looking for the posts about the capture of sheikh ibrahim hamed or the 10 terrorists caught on april 29th/30th....

i must have missed those posts...i can understand why...they aren`t reported in msm...and if they are,it certainly isn`t on page 1(of course,it isn`t as important as abu gharaib)...

i don`t know whether it was smart to remove saddam...i`m certainly not as smart as these other posters...we`ll never know what would have happened had saddam been left to his own devices...i`m sure he would have sat on his hands as iran armed to the teeth(sarcasm)...

whether it`s right or wrong, history will judge,not alot of leftwing posters on an internet gambling forum(thankfully)...

but,we won`t win in iraq...because a brave gerneration of proud americans spawned a generation of weak willed liberal academia-indoctinated poofters who`s worst problem in life is deciding which car to drive little tiffany to soccer practice in...

i support the troops...i support the mission...even though i `m not sure whether it was the right decision...

the terrorists and the baathists know that they have a 5th column right here in the good old u.s.a.....

the soft underbelly...

sooooo...let the chickenhawk rhetoric fly...even though you know that crap doesn`t work with me...

i love speaking truth to gullibility...
 
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