Thursday Night - Louisville/Southern Miss

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Anyone else here love Louisville at <b>Pick</b> here.

I know the game is at Southern Miss, but I have not been impressed at all with them this year and now with questionable RB Nix, they seem to not match up well against Cardinals at all.

The Cardinals are coming off that unimpressive game against Cincinatti but I think they bounce back this week and Ragone has a huge game and win easily.

Does anyone see Southern Miss controlling this game.
Thoughts encouraged.
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i certainly

i certainly

don`t like so miss...louisville coming off home upset loss increases my interest......also the short week for s miss...please,no stats debunking the short week...i don`t think it helps,regardless of stats....;)
 
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It does seem easy. Louisville coming off a horrendous performance on National TV and heading out against as big of a name school that CUSA has. The one thing that stood out last week is the fact the Louisville had a shot to block every punt that Cincy attempted even though they made an effort to work on punt protection all week.

There isn't a more beautiful sound for a gambler than the double thud of a punt block when it's your team on return.
 

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reports of internal squabbling among louisville players

reports of internal squabbling among louisville players

fisticuffs involving qb ragone on the sidelines at cincy game.....kinda tempers the play here....nix may be back here for s miss
 

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Line now L'ville -1 -- last night was rough. What side is the right way to assure we make it back Thurs?

Anyone else strong on Cardinals?

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Seems like Louisville has played on Thursday night all year (4 times?) Anyway, I have lost everytime I have bet with Ragone -- so I'm leaving this alone. May bet on the 2nd half once I see how they are playing.
 

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To echo gardenweasel's thoughts about Louisville in fighting: Here's a postgame interview with Henry Miller

Reporter: How disappointed are you in the season?
HM: Yeah. This game could have put us in a bowl game and put us in a situation where we could compete for a conference championship, but things like that happen. I say why it happened this year, personally I think it's because we have some internal problems with our team. I think we have to respect each other more. We shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves and doing a lot of other things. Players should not be getting suspended for things they can stop. Not to take anything away from Cincinnati because they were a good team, but we have been beating ourselves all year. I just hope with the games we have left we will shake that and come back and fight, so next year they can come back with a positive attitude. You know I'm done, but at least I can look at everybody else and know they're together and they respect each other. That's what we have to do as a team.

Reporter: So is there a lot of finger pointing going on?
HM: Well, every time you lose there is finger pointing going on. You can always point the finger at this play and that play, but I personally think things like penalties, too many penalties, and people fighting each other, I mean, teammates, it's not in the equation for a winning team. We just have to respect each other, respect our effort, whether it's coaches, whatever it may be, we have to respect each other from within and we have to translate that on the field. I just want us to play as a team, play as a group, play as a unit.

Reporter: How long have the internal problems been boiling? Did they start with Kentucky?
HM: Well, I didn't play in Kentucky, so I'm not going to mention Kentucky too much, but yeah I would say they started at the beginning of the season. And then when you lose, when you take a bad loss, you can either lay down and keep taking more, or you can get up and fight. To get up and fight it takes a lot. It takes respect from within, I keep saying that and stressing that because, from my eyes that's what I see. For us that's why we're not doing how we thought we would. We have to respect each other. It's a passion thing. We can't win without passion. It's a passion thing. We have to play with passion.

Reporter: The coach has mentioned that you guys have won so much in the recent past that you may have forgotten what it took to get here.
HM: Yeah, yeah, we got complacent I think. Ever since I have been here, we have been in bowl games, won the conference. I'm one of the guys that was just expecting it too. Now, harsh reality hits. I'm learning a lesson. To win, to be a champion, we have to play as champions. We have to treat each other like we are champions. We have to respect each other. Like I said, respect our efforts, and passion. That's it. We need more passion from within...more passion.

Reporter: Why hasn't this team been able to capitalize on the Florida State win?
HM: That is an example of where we could be. If you look at the games we win, we play together. We play together. The games we lose, when we start losing, we just, everything, forgive my speech, but goes to hell. There's people fighting and we can't have that within teammates. Fight to get a touchdown and fight to get a tackle, but...that's it.

Reporter: We hear all year that sending the seniors out winners is a goal. If you guys win out from here, will you feel like a winner?
HM: Yeah, I will go out feeling like a winner. This is a hard sport. To win and have a winning season is something great. Just to playing, I am blessed just to be playing. I feel, personally, I feel fulfilled in my whole journey, and my whole career here, but there will still be something left. It will be like, man that season, we sure could have achieved more. If I ever become a coach or anything ten years down the road, I will just make sure to try to keep my team together and keep the passion going. I know that's hard to do sometimes, with the week to week, and things happening off the field and what not, but I will try to keep my team to stay together and play together.
 

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. . . And the post game interview with John L. Smith

JLS: After assessing it a little bit, again, you go back to that first half, there were several things you can pick out we have to do better. Number one, the penalties, there were far too many of them. We had procedure penalties, motion penalties, things we really have to clear up because we really can't afford to start at first and fifteen rather than first and ten. The holding concerns me. There were two of them coming from the running back position and you can't have that, on crucial plays. That's starting at first and twenty-five now, uh, first and twenty, which is even worse. But as you look at it, that first half I thought we played well defensively. I thought we ran around pretty decently. We did a good job of holding them at times, we kept them out of the end zone, particularly on the one turnover that was big. There were some positives there. Again, we turned the ball over. The bottom line of the football game comes down to if they get more, you have to understand, the people we're playing are every bit as good as we are. I mean, they're equal. And if you give them extra shots, extra turns with the ball, you're going to lose nine times out of ten. And we gave them extra shots with the ball. We didn't get any turnovers, we gave two to them, I believe it was two, wasn't it? And then one of them was a pick six, where they pick up the fumble and run it in. So anyway, that's kind of the bottom story line of the game and there were some big plays along the way to set that up that were crucial plays. The second half, defensively I was real concerned. Probably the play of the game was when we let the wheel come out of the backfield and take it in on a third and ten situation. That was probably the play of the game from a defensive standpoint. We didn't execute, lost our eyes, and that comes back to a senior. You know, you have to get your job done.

Reporter: In the past you have turned the ball over but still managed to win the game.
JLS: Yeah. You take a look at how we turn the ball over, and have turned the ball over in the last couple of years, as compared to how we are turning it over this year, and the ratio. I mean, that's the bottom line. Like I said any time you're playing someone like you, you just can't give them extra shots, because again they're coming in here and they're looking for you and they're hungry, and they're athletically everything that you are, and they get extra turns with the football. We have not created extra turns for us. Those games that we have, of course, were in good shape.

Reporter: Has this team lost the need to win?
JLS: Yeah, the hunger. The hunger is not there. I think we are not as hungry as we have been and I think that is as a team.There is a group that still is, but overall, I think, maybe it came too fast, too soon, and too much. Championship after championship and then, gosh, it's going to happen again. And we don't understand how we have to defend that on them. Everybody is going to come in here and you can't think you're better than them because you're not. Maybe you're good, but if you don't really go out and play as hard as you can play, and give everything you've got in practice, then you're not going to defend it. Then you beat a Florida State and that's another feather in everyone's cap. Not only being the conference champion, but we beat Florida State, and if we can beat them, we can't defend that yet. We're not able to. Does that make any sense to you? It's a combination. We're strugling right now. We have to come out and prove that we are a decent football team and right now we're not. We're not playing anywhere where we should. We're making mistakes. We're not creating any turnovers. If it means simplifying some things, then we'll have to simplify some things, I guess.

Reporter: When guys say we have to quit fighting amongst ourselves, is that just a function of losses in general?
JLS: Well, I think it's more to do with reason than the result of losing, personally. We have to find out, we have to pull together, and we have not done that as a unit yet. If you're like this (intertwining fingers) and you play together, then you're going to win some games. You watch a team like Colorado State, for instance, I'm just using them as an example. They look like they're a fist. They're all playing together, they all really care about each other and are on the same page. We're not there yet. We have to start caring about each other more, committing to each other more. Just giving to one another.

Reporter: That has to be frustrating because it's like trying to get the pretty girl in school to fall in love with you. If she don't love you, she don't love you. How do you force guys to do that?
JLS: I always found that very simple (laughing). You know, a suave and debonair, that I am...right.(joking)
Reporter: I mean last night, I was talking to the other guys, and you were ashy, you looked crestfallen. That's the first time I had seen that. I mean, you looked like you didn't have an answer.
JLS: I don't. If it is not important then what we have to do is either make it important or maybe eliminate you. So it's got to become important. Right now, it's not as important as it should be. I hate to say it. Gosh, you don't need to be experienced and have been on the football field all your life to put your arms around each other, give to each other, come out to the practice field and play for one another. Make it important to you. If it's not then go somewhere else. It's got to become very, very important, and we just have to make it that way.

Reporter: In the beginning of your first year, you told the players to get in the boat or get out of the boat. Is this a team you can do that with?
JLS: These guys are going to be in the boat, they just don't have the oars in the water. They need to get the oars in the water and start pulling with the rest of the guys. That's kind of like we have one guy rowing one way and another guy rowing another way. They're going to have to commit, you know get up early in the morning and do all of those things and we just have to start caring about each other more. We do. We're squabbling amongst each other.

Reporter: Do you think this squabbling is a result of guys caring more about themselves than the team?
JLS: Well, I think that's part of it. Yeah, I think that's part of it. We have to learn how to handle that. We have not done that yet. We're learning, at least I hope we're learning. So, what we have to do at this point is, as a staff, we have to come together as well. We have to get on the same page and go to the field. It's the only thing we can do because that one's over. We need to see if we can get a win, and send the seniors out as winners and get to a bowl game. My goodness, there are still some good things that can happen to us.

Reporter: You say you need to come together as a staff. What do you mean by that comment?
JLS: I mean, moreso, me getting together with them and them, in turn coming up with a plan that we all believe in. There's always going to be a little bit there, but I think we just have to have more contribution from everybody on the staff. Everybody can contribute a little bit more. So, what you have to do is ask everybody to give a little bit more, including yourself. So I mean it that way more than anything else. So, if you're asking the kids to commit, to contribute more, then I think it's only fair to ask that of ourselves in turn.

Reporter: Henry was running the ball so well in the middle of the first and second quarter. What did they do different, or why didn't you guys go back to that?
JLS: They gave us some things inside that helped take a few things away. I think we were still capable of doing some of that. Then, all of a sudden, they hit us with, I don't know, there was just nothing sustained there. They had a pretty good clue that we were going to run some of the stuff that we did. And David, to be honest with you, there was nothing to sustain in the second half. There was just no continuity with the run, the pass. How many dropped balls did we have? Like three that I remember. This is not an excuse, but Dave's arm is hurting and he's throwing the ball in the dirt and that's as poorly as I have seen him play, and that was really bothering him. But he would NEVER say that to anybody, and would never bring that up. It wasn't all there. You can look at several things and say that's why it wasn't there. We just all have to play better.

Reporter: How is his arm?
JLS: He's gonna be okay. The one thing about it is that you'll never know if he isn't until you go to the field. He's never going to tell you.

Reporter: What is the status of the injuries?
JLS: Bobby doesn't look good. I was just down in the training room to see him. He doesn't look good at this point. I would assume he is probably going to end up missing this week. Dewayne should be fine. Jonathon, I didn't get a report on Jonathon, but we missed him for the entire game. He had to go out early and get that thing X-rayed.
Reporter: When he was in there, what has he been showing you?
JLS: A lot of things. In fact, he's been doing a real good job. We practiced him, pretty much the entire week. He does a good job then and he does a good job on special teams. So we couldn't do some of the things we had plan to do on special teams because he wasn't there. We hadn't prepared with his backup as much as we would have liked. He was prepared, but it was kind of those things where he went through it thinking, I'm not going to do that, just because he's not here to do it.
 

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Definitely some controversy on Louisville sideline, but I still like them tomorrow night.

Any news on Nix injury?

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Southern Miss football coach Jeff Bower said Monday there's a chance that senior RB Derrick Nix will play Thursday night when Louisville comes to Hattiesburg for a Conference USA showdown at Roberts Stadium.

Nix said he expects to play.

"Oh yeah, planning on it," Nix said Monday. "The swelling's gone down a lot, and it's not nearly as sore. It feels a lot better."

"It" is Nix's lower right leg. He underwent surgery on Nov. 5 to relieve pressure on a kinked nerve problem he had had to deal with since the Illinois game on Sept. 7.

DATE & OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
8/31 Jackson St Win 55-7 16 77 4.8 3 2 73 36.5 0
9/7 Illinois Win 23-20 27 201 7.4 2 1 0 0.0 0
9/14 Memphis Win 33-14 21 196 9.3 2 1 8 8.0 0
9/21 @Alabama Loss 20-7 14 57 4.1 0 1 14 14.0 0
9/28 @Army Win 27-6 16 87 5.4 1 0 0 0.0 0
10/12 @S Florida Loss 16-13 21 126 6.0 0 5 18 3.6 0
10/19 Cincy Win 23-14 19 77 4.1 1 0 0 0.0 0
10/30 @TCU Loss 37-7 9 48 5.3 0 0 0 0.0 0

Nix's stats haven't been all that impressive except for the back to back games against Illinois and Memphis and it's easy for him to say that he's fine, but he is a running back and it is a leg, so I don't expect him to be 100% and against the Card defense with a backup QB, he has to be.
 

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Is Louisville ESPN's Thursday night team of the year, seems like they are on every week. Southern Miss is another tough place for a visitor to win at, similar to Marshall.
 

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That's what I thought, too. They are undefeated at home this year against

Cincy
Illinois (right after the SJSU loss when they were struggling)
Memphis
Jackson State

But they also lost as 10-point favs against TCU(2001), 6-point favs against ECU (2000). and 13 1/2 point favs against Louisville (2000). All their other games have been DD-favs that they have won except a 3-0 win over UAB. And this isn't a Nebraska that hosts 9 games a year. They get 4 or 5 tops. Also found this at another site

Southern Mississippi is a brutal 1-4 ATS against C-USA opponents this season, which is nothing new, considering the 6-13 ATS mark the team has against conference rivals over the last three seasons. And the Eagles are a terrible 1-9 ATS after beating a C-USA rival in their most recent outing.
 

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Congrats to all the Cardinals backers - looked real rough in first half, but great second effort.

Good luck to all who agreed on this pick.

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