THURSDAY'S GAMES:

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hey guys, got a few early ones here...

any thoughts?

1) FLORIDA/METS OVER 8
I can't take an under 8, but it's a day game, and they scored seven yesterday...so i'm leaning to the OVER, any help would be appreciated.

2) ATLANTA/CINCI UNDER 9.5 ?
in this game i see burkett and brower as good pitchers, and the hitters seem to be cold. But be careful...i don't know if weather will be a factor again for this game.

3) ARIZONA/SAN DIEGO
I'm also trying to figure out which game RANDY is gonna start....so we'll see. I dunno, it'll be a tough one....will SD play harder if they lose the first one...? I think they will regardless of who's starting for arizona...but then again, SD has a crappy divisional record AND home record.
 

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THURSDAY

Again, AOL has some excellent summaries up early (VERY public, obviously, but valuable nonethless) and I have C&P'd a little and added my comments and picks.
My GOY-type game, Bravos to beat Reds was an easy winner with that bum Dessens giving up . . . oh, 2 hits. Let's watch him next start and also have a good look at Maduro who went long for the O's today and will probably get a start next week. Here's Maduro's line:

Baltimore IP H R ER BB K HR BFP Pit B-S ERA OpBA
Douglass (L 0-1) 3.2 9 6 6 3 2 0 23 92 40-52 14.73 .474
Maduro 5.1 2 0 0 1 3 0 19 76 30-46 3.38 .247

Damn good 5+ IPs

Also don't forget to stick WITH Hudson (Inspired New Dad Theory) the first start after his baby's born and then go against him (VERY Tired New Dad Theory) the next two starts.

Also, I am pretty sure that Armas will be FAR from 100% tomorrow.

J

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NATIONAL LEAGUE
Thursday, July 19, 2001
901----12:10 PM-----------------------------------------------
FLORIDA DEMPSTER-R 110
N.Y. METS RUSCH-L 8un
Have to go with Rusch here

Mets extended their winning streak to a season-high five games
Since the All-Star break, Mets pitchers have held their opponents to a .194 (40-for-206) average and have allowed just nine runs in 54 1-3 innings for a 1.49 ERA
Marlins - OF Floyd is 7-for-14 lifetime against LHP Rusch. ... C Charles Johnson is struggling through a 2-for-15 slide. Mets - 1B Todd Zeile is 5-for-12 against RHP Dempster. ... OF Jay Payton is hitless in his last 17 at-bats

MARLINS PROBABLE STARTER: Ryan Dempster (10-8, 4.28 ERA). Dempster has won two straight decisions and is 7-2 since May 26. In his last outing, the right-hander gave up three earned runs and nine hits over 6 1-3 innings but did not factor in the decision in Florida's 5-4 loss to the New York Yankees on Saturday. Dempster is 4-1 with a 4.81 ERA in 39 1-3 career innings against the Mets.

METS PROBABLE STARTER: Glendon Rusch (5-5, 4.60 ERA). Rusch is pitching as well as he has all season, going 2-0 with a 1.62 ERA in his last six starts. The left-hander is coming off his best start of the season, yielding one hit and one walk while striking out a season-high 10 in eight innings of a 2-0 victory over the Boston Red Sox on Saturday. Rusch is 1-3 with a 4.85 ERA in 29 2-3 career innings against Florida.

903----12:35 PM-----------------------------------------------
ATLANTA BURKETT-R 180
CINCINNATI BROWER-R 9ov
905----01:35 PM-----------------------------------------------
PHILADELPHIA FIGUEROA-R 9 Take Phillies here. Double Play
MONTREAL ARMAS-R 115

********Remember, Armas is hurt but they're not talking about his knee anywhere I've seen.*******

PHILLIES PROBABLE STARTER: Nelson Figueroa (1-2, 3.04 ERA). Figueroa is coming off his worst start this season, allowing four earned runs and eight hits in 4 2-3 innings of Saturday's 4-2 defeat to the Toronto Blue Jays. The right-hander allowed two earned runs or less in each of his previous four starts. This is his first appearance against Montreal.

EXPOS PROBABLE STARTER: Tony Armas Jr. (8-8, 3.75 ERA). Armas snapped a personal three-game losing streak with a strong outing Saturday against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. The right-hander allowed one earned run and seven hits while striking out seven in 7 1-3 innings in a 10-2 win. Armas had an 8.72 ERA in his previous four starts. He is 3-0 with a 3.20 ERA in 19 2-3 career innings against Philadelphia.
907----04:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
ST. LOUIS MORRIS-R 10ov Tempting under but I pass
HOUSTON MILLER-R 155
Wednesday's win was the ninth in 11 games for the Astros

The Cardinals, who are 11 games below .500 away from Busch Stadium, have the third-worst road record in the NL. They haven't won a road series opener since May 25 at Cincinnati but are tied with San Francisco for most home wins with 30.

Morris has assumed the role of staff ace this season, leading the team in wins and lasting at least six inning in 15 of 19 starts.

Wade Miller will take the mound for the Astros just days after getting shelled by the San Diego Padres. Miller was reached for all of the runs in Saturday's 8-6 home loss, which snapped the right-hander's four-start win streak.

Miller is 5-1 with a 4.73 ERA at home this season.


CARDINALS PROBABLE STARTER: Morris (11-5, 3.17 ERA). Morris beat the Astros 11-2 on April 21, striking out five over seven innings. The righty is 2-1 with a 2.96 ERA against the Astros in his career.

ASTROS PROBABLE STARTER: Miller (11-4, 4.18 ERA). Miller struck out 13 Cardinals over eight innings in a 4-3 win on April 22. He is 2-0 with a 3.70 ERA in four appearances against St. Louis.
909----04:10 PM-----------------------------------------------
MILWAUKEE WRIGHT-R 8un
LOS ANGELES PROKOPEC-R 135 Dodgers win this day game
I watched a lot of last night's game. The Brewers outfiled is hurting worse than news reports let on. Throwing arms are hurt and tired.
911----05:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
ARIZONA JOHNSON-L 220
SAN DIEGO JARVIS-R 7.5ov
913----07:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
CHICAGO CUBS TAVAREZ-R 125
PITTSBURGH WILLIAMS 9ov

****Pittsburgh has lost five straight.

CUBS PROBABLE STARTER: Julian Tavarez (6-6, 3.82 ERA). Tavarez followed a pair of dismal outings with a strong performance Saturday in a 3-1 loss to the Chicago White Sox. After yielding 16 runs - 10 earned - over his previous 6 1-3 innings, Tavarez allowed two runs and three hits in six innings on Saturday. Tavarez has surrendered three earned runs or less in nine of his last 10 starts.

PIRATES PROBABLE STARTER: Dave Williams (1-2, 4.01 ERA). Williams lost his second consecutive start Saturday, giving up four runs and five hits over six innings in a 7-4 loss to the Kansas City Royals. The 22-year-old left-hander has pitched at least six innings in three straight outings, but the Pirates have lost each game.
915----10:15 PM-----------------------------------------------
COLORADO CHACON-R 10un
SAN FRANCISCO ESTES-L 145
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AMERICAN LEAGUE
917----12:15 PM-----------------------------------------------
ANAHEIM WASHBURN-L 150 I will take Washburn at 150 the rest of the year
TAMPA BAY REKAR-R 9un
919----07:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
TEXAS DAVIS-L 115
BALTIMORE ROBERTS-R 10ov

The Orioles have lost 11 of 13 overall to fall a season-worst 12 games below .500
1B David Segui missed Wednesday's game with a sore left knee and remains day-to-day

RANGERS GAME 1 PROBABLE STARTER: Aaron Myette (0-1, 10.89 ERA). The right-hander is back in the starting rotation following three relief appearances earlier this month. Myette was hit hard by Colorado on Saturday, giving up five runs and six hits in just one inning. He failed to pitch five full innings in any of his three starts this season and is making his first-ever appearance against the Orioles.

ORIOLES GAME 1 PROBABLE STARTER: Josh Towers (6-4, 2.65 ERA). After having his four-game winning streak snapped, the righty has dropped three of his last four starts. In his last start, a 7-1 loss to the Atlanta Braves on Friday, Towers gave up seven runs and six hits in 6 1-3 innings for his second straight loss.

RANGERS GAME 2 PROBABLE STARTER: Doug Davis (4-7, 4.95 ERA). Davis allowed four runs and nine hits over six innings in an 11-2 loss to the Colorado Rockies on Saturday. Opponents are hitting .305 against Davis this season.

ORIOLES GAME 2 PROBABLE STARTER: Willis Roberts (7-7, 4.98 ERA). Roberts, who has won two of his last three decisions, is coming of a 4-1 win over Atlanta on Saturday. Roberts struck out five and allowed just one run in 6 2-3 innings.

921----07:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
BOSTON ARROJO-R 130
TORONTO HAMILTON-R 9.5

Blue Jays have lost four straight and continue to struggle offensively.
Toronto, which has scored just 14 runs since the All-Star break, is seven-games below .500 for the second time this season.

Joey Hamilton will take the mound for the Blue Jays. In the right-hander's last start against Boston on June 20, he suffered through one of his worst outings of the season, allowing five runs and five hits in 1 1-3 innings.

RED SOX PROBABLE STARTER: Rolando Arrojo (2-3, 3.48 ERA). Arrojo, who has spent much of the season in the bullpen, has been impressive in his last three starts. The Cuban righty is 1-1 with a 1.80 ERA over that span. Arrojo held the New York Mets to three hits and two runs in 6 2-3 innings on Saturday, but the Red Sox lost 2-0.

BLUE JAYS PROBABLE STARTER: Hamilton (5-6, 5.32 ERA). Hamilton allowed one run in 5 1-3 innings and hit a go-ahead RBI double as Toronto beat the Philadelphia Phillies 4-2 on Saturday, giving him back-to-back wins for the first time all season. Hamilton is 0-2 with a 5.29 ERA in three career starts against Boston.
923----07:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
N.Y. YANKEES PETTITTE-L 150
DETROIT LIMA-R 9.5UN

OVER 9' IS THE PLAY HERE

"Little One" throwing on three days rest off a bad performance (five runs and eight hits in seven innings of Sunday's 9-3 loss to Philadelphia. ) with a thoroughly used pinstriped bullpen.

"Home Run" Jose Lima going for the Tigers who is averaging one yard ball/3 innings since going to Detroit. Lima was the MLB's HR ;eader LY giving up 48.

925----08:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
SEATTLE GARCIA-R 185
KANSAS CITY WILSON-R 9un UNDER IS THE PLAY HERE

Freddy Garcia looks for his sixth straight win as the Seattle Mariners look to complete a two-game sweep of the Kansas City Royals. He has allowed just seven runs in his last six starts, going 5-0 during that stretch while posting two shutouts.
Seattle has given up a total of 20 runs in its last 10 games. The Mariners have won four of their last five, allowing just eight runs in that span.

Royals have lost 12 of 14

MARINERS PROBABLE STARTER: Garcia (11-1, 3.15 ERA). Garcia held the San Francisco Giants to two runs and three hits in seven innings Saturday to lead Seattle to a 3-2 win at Safeco Field. He is 4-0 with a 1.42 ERA in his last four starts. Garcia is 2-1 in five career starts against Kansas City.

ROYALS PROBABLE STARTER: Kris Wilson (3-1, 4.47 ERA). Wilson has won three of his last four decisions and will be making just the sixth start of his career. The 24-year-old righty went 6 2-3 innings in his last start, allowing three runs and four hits in a 7-4 win over the Pittsburgh Pirates on Saturday.


927----08:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
CLEVELAND BURBA-R 10un
CHICAGO W. SOX LOWE-R 135
929----08:05 PM-----------------------------------------------
OAKLAND ZITO-L 110 Oakland and under
MINNESOTA MILTON-L 8.5un

The Athletics won Wednesday's game 7-2, notching their fourth consecutive win and handing the Twins their fourth loss in a row. Oakland has won 15 of 19
Athletics are 6-1 since the All-Star break, compared to a 2-5 mark for the Twins


Barry Zito will be making his fourth start of July for the A's. The left-hander has been superb this month, going 2-0 with a 2.50 ERA and 19 strikeouts.

Zito lost five straight decisions over an eight-start span earlier this year, but has since gone 3-0 in seven starts while dropping his ERA in each appearance.

Minnesota counters with a star left-hander of its own, Eric Milton. Despite being winless in his last three starts, Milton has pitched well of late. He is 3-0 in 10 outings since May 24 and the Twins have won eight of those games.

ATHLETICS PROBABLE STARTER: Zito (6-6, 4.46 ERA). In his last start, Zito allowed just four hits and two runs in seven innings, but failed to get a decision as Oakland lost to the Los Angeles Dogers 5-3 on Saturday. In his only career start against the Twins on May 27, Zito allowed five earned runs in seven innings of a 9-3 defeat.

TWINS PROBABLE STARTER: Milton (8-3, 3.69 ERA). Milton is 4-2 with a 4.41 ERA in 11 career starts against the Athletics. He yielded two runs and three hits while striking out eight in six innings of the Twins' 5-3 win over the Milwaukee Brewers on Saturday.
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Uhoh.
Springer for Dodgers instead of the Aussie ace. Pass that one.

J

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"...Quo fas et gloria ducunt..."
JNG, thnx for the info dude.

much appreciated.
you can post in my thread ANYTME.

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Thanks T-V.
Hoped I wasn't intruding. I have no rep here, no patience for keeping great records and just like to gather info and play. I win when I pick a few of my own and then compare them to the picks of the real 'cappers around here.
I lose when I start thinking that I actually know what I'm doing . . .

BTW, I like Mets UNDER tomorrow but do like Reds under with you.
I think that Anti-Armas play on Phillies is MY personal strongest.

J
 

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TORONTO man... RANDY here.

Hey, I would look to go UNDER in possibly ALL the early games except ANA/TB. I haven't done all my homework, but going UNDER 8 in METS game seems like stealing, and I had UNDER 9 with ATL/CIN last nite as a play, and like it better with BURKETT! PHIL/MON may be iffy, but look for ARMAS to pitch a good game and possibly shut down PHIL. WASHBURN for ANA has been so good... he's a stud for sure. He lost last time out against the UNIT, but pitched well. His first loss since MAY! He challenges guys, balls of stone my friend! BUT, TBAY doesn't have many lefty bats but McGriff (and he hits lefties) so he may have trouble.... those are my early THUR am thoughts, but they've been aided by a glass of wine or two!
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TORONTO-VIGILANTE

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"...Quo fas et gloria ducunt..."
adding another:

GM 4: CUBS over PITTS (-130)

i'm liking Tavarez in this situation as PITTS scared the CUBS a bit last nite. Don't think the CUBZ will make that mistake twice as they are fighting to stay ahead of a RED-HOT Houston team.

BTW: I still have HOUSTON winning the central division crown.
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TORONTO-VIGILANTE

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"...Quo fas et gloria ducunt..."
overall: 10-5 +4.05 unitz

had a feeling I was gonna have a 50/50 day....damn, if i had only known when Randy was startin...I would have laid some HUGE green on em.

recap:

1)atl/cini UNDER: WON +100
2)philly OVER 9.0 (damn, what a late inning surge): LOST -120
3)NY/DET over 9.5 : WON +100
4) CUBZ (another close one): LOST -130

so far 2-2 : -50 unitz

5) SAN FRAN -135 : still pending.
 
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