U.S. Healthcare vs. The Rest of the World

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http://www.businesspundit.com/us-healthcare-vs-the-rest-of-the-world/

The state of the United States today is extremely fragile. Lawmakers are at war with one another over how to reduce our deficit while increasing our quality of living, and there is no end to the debate in sight. At the very core of this struggle over our future is a basic human necessity: health care. Many other developed nations have worked out sustainable models for health care, but in the US, costs are higher and quality of care is worse. The recent passage of health care reform is aimed at fixing our broken system, but many of us want to know: why is our health care so expensive in the first place? Medical Billing and Coding present part one of a two-part series detailing why our health care system is lagging behind those of other wealthy nations, both in affordability and in effectiveness.


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Something I was thinking about today, as I had two different doctor appointments...

Where are all the republican bills designed to bring down the cost of health care? All I kept hearing about was how "Obamacare" (not my term, but easier for conservatives) did very little to bring down the cost of healthcare for Americans, and we should do more in other areas instead. Maybe I missed it - has there been anything introduced in the Republican controlled House designed to address the high cost of healthcare, drugs, hospitals, doctors, etc? Anything at all? Or was that just political posturing?

For the record, I would hope to see something from democrats, although anything to do with spending must originate in the house, as I recall.

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Maybe Mags can explain why Americans spend more than twice what the citizens of other industrialized nations spend on healthcare, yet we rank last among those nations in quality of care.

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Maybe Mags can explain why Americans spend more than twice what the citizens of other industrialized nations spend on healthcare, yet we rank last among those nations in quality of care.

:popcorn2

If Maggot responds, he'll certainly parrot the claim of the likes of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell -

"We have the best health care in the world"

?If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

-Joseph Goebbels

This propaganda technique, the "big lie", is well known to historians -

The Big Lie (German: Gro?e L?ge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

But, hey...if it was good enough for Hitler, it's good enough for Boehner, McConnell and Maggot. They have no shame.
 
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If course you already know the answer as to why our health care is so expensive - because it's primarily "for-profit"," charge all the market will bear".

For-profit insurers, for-profit hospitals, for-profit labs, for-profit imaging centers.
 

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Something I was thinking about today, as I had two different doctor appointments...

Where are all the republican bills designed to bring down the cost of health care? All I kept hearing about was how "Obamacare" (not my term, but easier for conservatives) did very little to bring down the cost of healthcare for Americans, and we should do more in other areas instead. Maybe I missed it - has there been anything introduced in the Republican controlled House designed to address the high cost of healthcare, drugs, hospitals, doctors, etc? Anything at all? Or was that just political posturing?

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They havnt done chit to reduce costs. Are you kidding they have too many dr , pharmy, hospitals, lobbyists that get them re-elected to try and do anything like that.

They need to slam the fraud in medicare, medicade and doctors offices .

It would reduce the deficit in 5 years if they could dig all that out.

GOP took over house :142smilie

hedge and the rest were so proud of that.

They havnt done one fawking thing to make any differance in anything.

Its pathetic how our goverment works.

no one can change anything nor do they want to
 

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Where are all the republican bills designed to bring down the cost of health care? Maybe I missed it - has there been anything introduced in the Republican controlled House designed to address the high cost of healthcare, drugs, hospitals, doctors, etc? Anything at all? Or was that just political posturing?

:0corn
I'm sure John Boehner will look into this when he can fit it in between golf junkets and fundraisers.
 

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Top Recipient of Political Cash from BP, Goldman Sachs, Defense Contractors AND Healthcare Giants:

Barack Obama



BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Obama apparently also got more contributions from Exxon and Chevron than McCain.

And Obama had the most political contributions from Goldman Sachs in 2008 of all senators. And Goldman gave more to Obama than any other presidential candidate, and was Obama's second-largest contributor.

In addition, Obama was the top congressional recipient of defense industry contributions for the 2008 election cycle. See this, this and this.
Obama was also the top recipient of money from the healthcare giants in the presidential election.

It does not matter if they are (R) or (D) - it is the same dog and pony show pulling the strings.
Until there is a real, viable alternative to this crap, we are all screwed.
 

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So, SSD, are you suggesting that because these companies donated more to Obama (if that in fact is true), that is why republicans have not addressed the high costs of healthcare and drugs in any way other than to try to mobilize against what dems proposed and enacted? They certainly talked big during the campaign, and my point in favor of SOME action was that republicans had never brought up anything on these issues before Hillary and Obama. I see more of the same inaction and attempts to maintain the status quo for these businesses from Republicans.

I haven't seen anything from any conservatives on this, and was actually hoping I had missed something.
 

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They havnt done chit to reduce costs. Are you kidding they have too many dr , pharmy, hospitals, lobbyists that get them re-elected to try and do anything like that.

They need to slam the fraud in medicare, medicade and doctors offices .

It would reduce the deficit in 5 years if they could dig all that out.

GOP took over house :142smilie

hedge and the rest were so proud of that.

They havnt done one fawking thing to make any differance in anything.

Its pathetic how our goverment works.

no one can change anything nor do they want to

I guess you don't know that the DemoRats control the Senate.

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Everything Is a Public Health Crisis

Everything Is a Public Health Crisis

Everything Is a Public Health Crisis

Moe, Larry, and Curly have teamed up with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the FDA, and your congressional leaders to identify another ?public health crisis? that needs a government solution. Here?s an article from the Pharmaceutical Daily Journal:
The Food and Drug Administration said Tuesday that it will require some painkiller manufacturers to produce new educational tools in an effort to quell prescription-drug abuse.

??This growing public-health crisis is suffocating our society,? U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary Howard Koh said at a briefing.
So the central theme is this: Big Pharma is turning out a product that is actually necessary and useful for some people at some point in time ? painkillers. As with everything else, people will use those products at their own discretion, right or wrong. Since there cannot be a fanatical War on Drugs (for Big Pharma?s legal drugs), the idea is to establish another feel-good government ?education? program dedicated to ?curbing prescription drug abuse.?

Big Pharma now has to produce medication guides and tools for physician training which must be approved by the FDA and accredited by professional physician-education providers. The end goal is to make this ?education? mandatory for physician licensing. Until it becomes law, the FDA has to ?entice physicians to receive the education voluntarily by offering continuing education credits, called CME or CE, required to maintain board certification.? In reality, this education hustle redirects resources from value-added services to the production of nonsense for the purpose of making a bunch of special interests richer and keeping federal government officials employed, while throwing a soft, fuzzy slipper at Big Pharma.

Professional education providers will find this to be a lucrative gig, and Big Pharma supports the FDA?s efforts. Congress will mandate these educational requirements through the force of law and everyone will feel all warm and fuzzy about solving another public health crisis while the beneficiaries of this scam will be snickering about pulling another fast one. And meanwhile, Big Pharma will pass on the costs to consumers, insurance companies, and government welfare programs ? meaning the consumer will once again bear the burden of additional (hidden) costs to create more government jobs and redistribute wealth to selected industries and recipients who stand to benefit from the con job.
 

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FREE healthcare for ILLEGALS, you LIBERALS don't want to CUT THEM OFF, because you want them to VOTE ILLEGALLY in our elections, pity really.


JMHO


Skulnutz is another devotee of the BIG LIE -

. Because most undocumented immigrants are relatively young and healthy, they generally don't need as much health care treatment as U.S. citizens. They account for less than 2% of national medical spending.[1]


1. Wolf, Richard (22 January 2008). "Rising health care costs put focus on illegal immigrants"

. USA Today. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm
 

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Chadman:
There are many in this forum who blast republicans as "in the pocket of BIG-whatever" - energy, defense, healthcare - I am pointing out that they are just different shades of gray.

As for the best healthcare in the world? I would say it is here in the US. Free does not equal best.

The ruling family of Saudi Arabi regularly makes trips to the Cleveland Clinic. There is a reason they come to the USA for medical care.

And, before I get blasted and flamed - I think healthcare is too expensive. I pay for my family and it is not cheap - I do not have cadillac coverage through a job or whatever. I carry catastrophic coverage and pay most of the rest out of pocket up to a limit. I do not know the best way to bring costs down. I do not begrudge a doctor what he/she makes - they study and work extremely hard and incur a high amount of debt to enter a stressful profession. They should be paid well. As for insurance companies - imo - if you can afford to slap your name on the side of a skyscraper, you are making too much money.
 

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As for the best healthcare in the world? I would say it is here in the US.

Is your opinion based on faith, or a BIG LIE, or facts? If fact based, what facts?

Even if rich Saudis do sometimes use US health care like the CC, so what? That says nothing about the health care available to most Americans.

Here's an interesting article for you -

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0204-01.htm



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You ever notice u never find one Canadian screaming loud and long on how they would love to trade systems with us? All u hear from the suckers we have here is how long u have to wait for treatment. Like somehow i never have to wait right here in the good ole USA :shrug:
 

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You ever notice u never find one Canadian screaming loud and long on how they would love to trade systems with us? All u hear from the suckers we have here is how long u have to wait for treatment. Like somehow i never have to wait right here in the good ole USA :shrug:

Of course Canadians don't complain. They have a damned fine health care system, available to all. The BIG LIE boys will claim that Canadians come to the USA when they have a serious ailment. That's just plain bullshit. 99.99% of Canadians get all their health care in Canada.

And, Canadians pay far less for their drugs. Drugs manufactured in New Jersey cost far more in the USA than those same drugs cost in Canada. Why? Because the national health care in Canada negotiates drug prices, and the neocons here pushed through a bill which FORBIDS Medicare from negotiating drug prices. Get that? Medicare is forbidden, by law, from negotiating lower drug prices.

Goddamned bribe-taking politicians. In what other job can you take bribes to the detriment of your employer? They should all be burned at the stake.

The excessive cost of health care in the USA is all based on the BIG LIE. Goebbels would be proud of his disciples Boehner, McConnell and Maggot.
 
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Of course Canadians don't complain. They have a damned fine health care system, available to all. The BIG LIE boys will claim that Canadians come to the USA when they have a serious ailment. That's just plain bullshit. 99.99% of Canadians get all their health care in Canada.

And, Canadians pay far less for their drugs. Drugs manufactured in New Jersey cost far more in the USA than those same drugs cost in Canada. Why? Because the national health care in Canada negotiates drug prices, and the neocons here pushed through a bill which FORBIDS Medicare from negotiating drug prices. Get that? Medicare is forbidden, by law, from negotiating lower drug prices.

Goddamned bribe-taking politicians. In what other job can you take bribes to the detriment of your employer? They should all be burned at the stake.

The excessive cost of health care in the USA is all based on the BIG LIE. Goebbels would be proud of his disciples Boehner, McConnell and Maggot.

Duff i loved it when Bush told us he just wanted to keep us safe and that is why we couldn't go to Canada tobuyt our drugs. Then when the Anthrax problem came about there wasn't enuf Cipro to go around and sure enuf Bush went to Canada to get us more. If that alone doesn't make u think how bad and corrupt these assholes on the right are nothing will. Everyone can negotiate but we can't. You got to love it.
 
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