VERY disturbing EXTREMELY long read...Scarry Scenario

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Russian Military Capabilities:

The Russian Topol M ICBM is the world's fastest missile at 21 Mach (16,000 miles an hour) and there is no defense.

If launched from Moscow, it can hit Washington or New York City in 18 minutes. It can hit Chicago in 18.6 minutes. and 22.8 minutes to Los Angeles. The Russian submarines and the Chinese submarines can launch offshore the United States striking coastal targets within a minute. The Chinese submarines have surfaced next to United States aircraft carriers undetected. If the aircraft carrier could not detect the submarines, it can be deduced that United States land defenses can also not detect the submarines offshore the United States in time.
The Chinese and Russian are focusing their naval effort on submarines as surface warships are obsolete as they cannot be defended against contemporary Russian and Chinese missiles and they are out producing us in submarines which is such a vital strategic area. It is important to carefully reread this rewritten analysis demonstrating that the MAD defensive doctrine no longer exists. This doctrine forestalled major wars for nearly seventy years as the United States and the Soviet Union had close enough parity to negate the use of nuclear weapons. Russia also had a conventional defense with their buffer states reaching into East Germany which gave them a conventional cushion that is now gone. The prerequisites for MAD are no longer the case as this study demonstrates.
It also predicts that we face a very realistic possibility of a major war in Europe within six to twelve months after the Russians complete their defensive missile rollout of S-500 anti-missile missiles which will seal their country off from ICBMs and cruise missiles. (The Russians will only admit as to the S-500 that it will be rolled out in 2016, but informed sources say it is being rolled out now. Also, the fact that the very advanced S-400 is soon being delivered to China implies that they are holding back their operational S-500) The Russians see Brzezinski's effort to destroy Russia step by step from the Balkans, to the eastern expansion of NATO into eastern Europe to the Ukraine. The Russians know that Brzezinski will not be satisfied until all of Russia is dismantled and destroyed as a nation, and therefore they realize they face an existential threat to their very existence.

You do not do this to a country unless you plan war and that is exactly what Kerry and Nuland are doing. The loss of Christian Russia to China is the greatest strategic blunder of the west since the 1949 loss of China to Russia but worse as both are more powerful than then. It is natural for Russia not to talk as they are stalling for time until the S-500+ defenses saturate Russia.
This is a considerably updated version where I added the deep concern in our military over the Chinese development of missiles to hit our military satellites. The Germans similarly underestimated the Russian military capability as I pointed out regarding the T-34 tank. Hagel came out recently saying that we were now behind. I also added the jamming capacity of the Russian missiles against the Aegis Combat System. All of this is open source. The data on the jamming came from the information on the strike of the Russian missile on the Israeli INS Hanit offshore Lebanon as released by DEBKA. (DEBKA disputed the Israeli government statement that the jamming systems were turned off and they were not. Also, the editor of DEBKA told me it was a Russian missile though Israel says it was Chinese.) What is not referred to below is non-open source which makes the situation even more grave.
The Russians are testing the NATO and United States response times by their aerial penetrations. While the United States spent a trillion dollars looking for ten people in Afghanistan, and another two trillion looking for non-existent WMDs in Iraq, the Russians and the Chinese have been spending massive amounts of money on investments in new technologies to jump one or two generations ahead of the United States. And they have succeeded. Now, in the most colossal strategic blunder in the history of the United States, Victoria Nuland has succeeded in creating a geopolitical catastrophe greater than when Tito took over the Balkans and Chairman Mao China, and these two combined with the Soviet Union gave nearly the entire Eurasian land mass to Bolshevism. She has joined the formerly sleeping Dragon that Napoleon warned never to wake up, a modernized China, with Russia almost as a parallel to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939 which shook the entire world.

What is so incredible about this is that Russia is now Christian and had opened their arms to the western Christendom, and we are now trying to kick down the door of their house as Germany tried on June 22, 1941. This earthquake that is considerably over ten on the Richter scale has not been detected by any of the corporate media which control the news in the west in the manner of an old Pravda. And Victoria Nuland is still at her post! The last time around when something like this happened we had the McCarthy era explosion charging George Marshall with treason for stopping the supplies to Chiang Kai-shek while the Soviets turned over to Chairman Mao all the Japanese equipment that was surrendered to the Soviets. The new Russia-China alliance is worse than the Soviet-undeveloped Mao China alliance by many dimensions.
The Russians and the Chinese can muster 120 million troops (100 million for China and 20 million for Russia) sporting the most advanced strategic nuclear missile and anti-missile equipment in the world. Nor have we discussed the problem of the detonating of a nuclear bomb above the United States which could engender a dire saturation of the United States with electromagnetic pulse signals that would shut down every electronic device and computer in the country.
There is below not a very worthwhile review of Russian capabilities by the Council of Foreign Relations. Their strategic nuclear capabilities are compared to the United States based on numbers but not by quality. For example, the Russian ICBM armed with MIRVs travels at about 21 Mach (16,000 miles an hour, flight distance between Moscow and Washington, D. C. is 4,874 miles, or 18 minutes away) which is far faster than that of the United States and basically cannot be defended against.
Their S-500 we understand is being rolled out so this is a dated study according to an informed source, and the fact the Russians are going to give the Chinese the S-400 implies that they must have something better in reserve. The S-400 will make China invincible to United States air power and ICBM and cruise missiles.
It is traditional for the Russians to understate and conceal what they have. Our sources estimate they far exceed the estimates in this study. When the Russian tank experts toured under the guidance of Panzer General Guderian the German tank production facilities they kept asking Guderian where were their larger tanks. Guderian had a very uncomfortable feeling that the Russians had bigger ones that they were not showing. The German tank generals Paul Ludwig Ewald von Kleist and Heinz Guderian were shocked in 1941 to encounter the T-34 which was far larger than the largest German tank and these generals described it as "the deadliest tank in the world." It possessed the best firepower, mobility, protection, and ruggedness of any tank. Its 76.2 3 inch high-velocity gun was the best tank gun in the world; its heavy sloped armor was impenetrable by standard anti-tank weapons, and furthermore it was very agile. The Germans had to aim their anti-aircraft guns at the tank to stop it.
It is astonishing to see such a Russian superiority when you look at the GDPs of France, Germany, England and the United States, but none had anything of the equivalent. We find this now. It is not GDP in the end that wins wars as the Spanish Armada found out off the shore of England.
In a sense, this is the S-500 which makes the Patriot anti-missile missile look like a dated V-2 of World War Two. Nor is there a discussion of the Kornet anti-tank missile that knocked out the Merkava Tank of the IDF which was regarded then as the most formidable tank in the world, and it was a defenseless as a cavalry charge into machine gun fire. The IDF commanders told me that it made tank warfare obsolete. The Israeli INS Hanit was according to reliable sources hit by a Russian missile fired from Lebanon in July of 2006 16 kilometers offshore which passed through the most sophisticated United States jamming equipment sending shock waves through the Israeli Defense Forces and the United States Military. The implications were dire. The only way surface ships such as battleships and aircraft carriers can avoid being hit by fifty missiles launched at one time such as the Russian SS-N-27 Sizzler is by jamming their targeting mechanism for otherwise the Aegis Combat System of the Navy could be overwhelmed.
The Russian Iskander missile travels 7 times the speed of sound which has a range of 400 km, can carry a 700 kg warhead of several varieties, and has a circular error probability of around five meters. This makes it deadly to airfields, logistics points and other stationary infrastructure along a broad front of conflict. The Iskander can threaten targets deep in Europe. The entire western way of war depends on the achievement of air supremacy. Rommel says as much at Normandy that the aerial bombing smashed the best trained troops and at the battle of the Kerch Peninsula Field Marshall Wolfram Freiherr von Richthofen's air attacks inflicted casualties of up to 50% on the Soviet force, and though initially outnumbered, the then general Erich von Manstein's Eleventh Army won a decisive victory that earned him the Field Marshall's baton. It would be a necessity for NATO to knock out these Iskanders but they would have to face the S-400 surface to air missile which the Russians can layer in defense zones in nearly every conceivable theater of conflict. Positioning the S-400 at Kaliningrad could endanger NATO air operations deep in Europe. It would be nearly impossible for the NATO fighters to penetrate this layered screen of S-400s, and based on the astronomical cost of the NATO fighters, the loss of a single aircraft very nearly would represent a national fiscal catastrophe. We could go on and on from weapon to weapon, though the purpose of this review is not to exhaustively examine the subject but to drive the point home about the strategic weakness of the United States forces.
But this is not all. This study does not tell us anything of NATO capabilities. But we have below that they are so limited that Russia admits that they are not effective at all. President Kennedy was transfixed in fear of having to have only a threat of a nuclear attack to defend western Europe, and built up the conventional capacity so that he did not have to launch a nuclear war to defend Europe. But that is not the situation now. There even cannot be any question of a buildup of conventional capacity as the Russians have said below that they would use their tactical nuclear weapons and more to defend themselves against a conventional attack so that sending a hundreds of thousands of troops as at Normandy as is out of the question. And based on the S-400 and S-500, it is questionable if any of our ICBM or cruise missiles can get through.
The Chinese who have just completed significant economic treaties with Russia on natural gas deliveries and the sale of S-400 defensive missiles, and combined with secret protocols, creates a new alliance combining a huge portion of the Eurasian land mass. The Chinese have not been slack in their own weapons development bouncing lasers off satellites, developing missiles that can hit the satellites, silent submarines that surface beside our aircraft carriers without detection, and their own anti-missile missile that can hit a reentering satellite moving faster than any ICBM. The ability to knock out satellites would temporarily demobilize the entire ICBM arsenal and force its conversion to land control of the missile's guidance. In the midst of a nuclear exchange, this could be disastrous. The pace of the rollout of these submarines by China and Russia far exceeds that of the United States, and since we have demonstrated that the surface fleet is obsolete as it cannot be defended, then the United States is losing the arms race in the most vital part of their Navy. The Chinese and Russian submarines can surround the west and east coasts of the United States, and their nuclear cruise missiles can turn the United States into a nuclear turkey shoot. The mobilization capacity of the Chinese Army is 100 million men under arms. If you combine that with the Russian superiority in weapons, and their ability to field probably 20 million men, the EU faces overwhelming potential forces to their east. The Zbigniew Brzezinski bluff in the Ukraine has been called, and he has created the greatest strategic blunder since we lost China in 1949. He has undid the work of Richard Nixon when he broke apart the China-Russian alliance which is why Kissinger has referred to this madness as "fatal". The recent treaties between China and Russia can be compared to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939.
And yet we see the Baltic states and Poland and other border states as before World War Two screaming bloody murder instead of trying to get along with Russia and expecting us to launch a nuclear war that we may very well lose to defend 1.3 million people in Estonia as Britain and France went to war over the city of Danzig. And was it not Poland who at Munich participated in the retrieving their former territory from Czechoslovakia as Russia is trying to do in the Crimea and Eastern Provinces that were given to the Soviet Republic of the Ukraine by Lenin in 1919 (Eastern Provinces) and Khrushchev in 1954 (Crimea)? Who can defend the treachery of the Versailles Treaty? (It was not the Soviet or Russian intention to ever see these separated from Russia and was granted conditional on these areas being part of the Ukrainian Russia. Certainly Eastern Prussia should be also returned to Germany and Eastern Poland to Poland to undo Stalin's treachery after the war.) Since when should we be responsible for Estonia as some sort of world policeman and lose potentially hundreds of millions of Americans over countries that 99% of the American people do not even know anything about and have no strategic significance. And why should we be paying for the defense of Europe at all when their GDP is larger than ours.
Since present United States military doctrine does not preclude preemptive strikes of nuclear weapons, and the Russians have said that they will use tactical nuclear weapons to defend Russia against a conventional attack if not more, and they have 5,000 tactical nuclear weapons to hardly any for ourselves, it means that the so-called MAD doctrine that kept the nuclear peace between the Soviet Union and the United States no longer governs. If we see now that the Russians have the superiority in strategic nuclear and defensive weapons, and they do, and they see the GDP of the United States and the EU being ten times theirs, the window of opportunity to defend themselves could disappear in ten years subjecting them to a preemptive attack. We understand that a massive deployment of the S-400 and S-500 is taking place at the present time, and it has dramatically accelerated in the last six months according to informed sources.
Once many thousands of them are deployed sufficient to block a nuclear attack by the United States, the window of opportunity of a first strike for Russia will then exist. If we interpret sanctions as an act of war as Japan did when we sanctioned all deliveries of oil to them on July 25, 1941, and it certainly was an act of war, then the Russian planners may consider themselves forced to launch a first strike to preserve the existence of their nation. If they wait, the west may develop new weapons to defend themselves, and be in a position to launch the preemptive strike themselves against Russia. The war hysteria we saw a few months ago in the United States must have set off alarm bells in Russia. Therefore, we should expect Russia to be as quiet as possible for the next six to twelve months while they deploy their missiles, and once they are in place, then we may well enter into the greatest existential crisis in the history of the west.
 

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the fallout of a first strike and aftermath would assure 80% of the people on earth would die



so whats the problem
 

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the fallout of a first strike and aftermath would assure 80% of the people on earth would die


Ok 80% die... for the sake of discussion, who makes the cut?
It appears Russia at least, believes in preparedness..what is your nearest option? Duck and cover and shortly after kiss your scorched ass goodbye?

In the meantime, we piss away our future playing in the massive sandbox...and preparing for the next round of Washington crony politics known as the 2016 election.




"Did you know that the Russians have a massive underground complex in the Ural mountains that has been estimated to be approximately 400 square miles in size? In other words, it is roughly as big as the area inside the Washington D.C. beltway. Back in the 1990s, the Clinton administration was deeply concerned about the construction of this enormous complex deep inside Yamantau mountain, but they could never seem to get any straight answers from the Russians. The command center for this complex is rumored to be 3,000 feet directly straight down from the summit of this giant rock quartz mountain. And of course U.S. military officials will admit that there are dozens of other similar sites throughout Russia, although most of them are thought to be quite a bit smaller. But that is not all that the Russians have been up to.

For example, Russian television has reported that 5,000 new emergency nuclear bomb shelters were scheduled to have been completed in the city of Moscow alone by the end of 2012. Most Americans don?t realize this, but the Russians have never stopped making preparations for nuclear war. Meanwhile, the U.S. government has essentially done nothing to prepare our citizens for an attack. The assumption seems to be that a nuclear attack will probably never happen, and that if it does it will probably mean the end of our civilization anyway."

Needless to say, the Russians are very secretive about their massive underground facility at Yamantau mountain, and no American has ever been inside."
 

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In the meantime, we piss away our future playing in the massive sandbox...and preparing for the next round of Washington crony politics known as the 2016 election.

I agree. The scenario and facts paint a black, black picture. And it will come down to nuclear war someday. It damned near did in 1962 over Russian missiles in Cuba. Disastrous as nuclear war would have been then, it's a thousand times more dangerous now. Yet, as you say -

In the meantime, we piss away our future playing in the massive sandbox...and preparing for the next round of Washington crony politics known as the 2016 election.


Our elected officials wail on and on about birth certificates, abortion, gay marriage, gun control and a thousand other insignificant things, and totally side-step real problems like the immense national debt, and the possibility of a civilization-ending nuclear war.

Regardless of Chinese/Russian defenses, there is no doubt we could hit them too in retaliatory strike from submarine launched missiles. Launched a few miles offshore, those missiles could strike inland a few hundred miles at least before defenses could react. And we almost certainly have some abilities unknown to the general public.

That's not to say we would "win" an all out nuclear war. There would be no winner. MAD is still the one and only deterrent. And it's untested and uncertain. And dangerous as Hell. It takes just one nutjob in the USA, Israel, China, Russia, India or Pakistan to light the fuse.

The ONLY answer to permanent deterrence is the total elimination of every nuclear weapon on earth. That's a big job. Maybe it would be possible if we had committed and effective leaders in Washington, but we do not.

They're too busy raising money, lining their own pockets and distracting the populace with shit like "Obama's gonna take your guns and kill granny. Besides that his birth certificate is phoney, and he's giving all our tax money to lazy blacks who are all unemployed criminals."

And we, at least many of us, are gobbling that shit up like chocolate candy and sending the same worthless turds to Washington.

I see no hope for the future.

Armageddon is coming. We just don't know what day it will arrive. IMO our species is doomed to extinction, and not far in the future. Certainly before the end of this century. Hell, it could be tomorrow.

Maybe a billion years from now a new species will be intelligent enough to figure out what happened to us, but don't bet on it. We're still not sure what took out the dinosaurs,
 

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I'll bet all of you as much as you want that we will never have a nuclear conflict with Russia.
 

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