War Emblem

Ndfan

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What do you guys think of him at 17/1, seems like a good value. Baffert does well in the Derby and his work outs seem decent. Might play him to place, but not sure.
 

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speed front runners,have not done well as a rule.there seems to be plenty this year.would not play at any odds. gl
 

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Like Keeneland, you have to downgrade wire to wire winners at Sportsman's. One Tuff Fox was supposed to give War Emblem pressure on the front end in the Illy Derby but he scratched; leaving War Emblem as lone speed. Due to the unusual configuration of Sportsman's, speed is deadly there. Repent really had no chance. I suppose there is a price point in which he's value; its just hard to point where. Maybe at 17-1 he's worth a flyer. At 10-1 he isnt; I guess you could make a slight correlation to Spend A Buck, who won the Jersey Derby with a huge figure over little competition back in '85. It is hard to imagine Baffert being almost 20-1 with the horse who has the top Beyer in their last race. There does seem to be some other speed in the race, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him in front heading into the far turn. But...the Derby is about sizable payoffs and while I'm not keying him, I hate to talk anyone off a 17-1 shot.
 

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v. is right if ya like it get a few bucks down,was 20/1 at oly. today thats why there 20/1 not everyone likes,just my opinion dont like for 1st or 2nd anyone can get 3rd.first derby bet was on the great couldnt lose, south of the border wonder speed snow chief think i had a weeks wages on that one, that hurt ,why not ferdinand at 17/1...........................
 

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Baffert is usually pretty vocal about his hoss if he thinks he has a shot. BB has been relatively quiet on this one. However, he is an excellent trainer; the race is wide open; and the price is right. I wouldn't play him myself but couldn't dismiss.
 
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