Weapons of Mass Destruction

[gjn23]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_tapes

I've been waiting for this news story to hit the wire for a few days but instead we get bombarded with useless Dick Cheney accident storys and the whining media stories.

I've always believed (as did the left's icon Bubba) that this guy has WMD and just because we didnt actually find a nuclear bomb in 2002-03 doesnt mean there were no WMD. If you were told for 12 years that we were coming to find your wmd's wouldn't you have a plan in place to move or hide them? I'm sure this is exacty what happened, BUT the better story for the media to run with (the media that hates Bush) is that he lied, there were no WMD and we are fighting a war over a lie.

 

[gardenweasel]

gjn...i`ve always believed this was the case....excellent article...


but,it`ll never get reported....i just got the skinny on the headline in tomorrow`s n.y. times front page.....and it`s a blockbuster.....

"Cheney Drove Shooting Victim to Hospital Tied to The Hood of His Car"


that cheney`s really is a pisser...

 

[gecko]

gjn...i`ve always believed this was the case....excellent article...


but,it`ll never get reported....i just got the skinny on the headline in tomorrow`s n.y. times front page.....and it`s a blockbuster.....

"Cheney Drove Shooting Victim to Hospital Tied to The Hood of His Car"


that cheney`s really is a pisser...

That would be funny if an already agonized, guilt-ridden Dick Cheney even WENT to the hospital to check on and be with his friend Harry that night.

Instead, he went back to the ranch.


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From Cheney's interview with Brit Hume:


Q: What did you think when you saw the injuries? How serious did they appear to you to be?

A: I had no idea how serious it was going to be. I mean, it could have been extraordinarily serious. You just don't know at that moment...We also had an ambulance at the ranch, because one always follows me around wherever I go. And they were able to get the ambulance there and within about 30 minutes we had him on his way to the hospital.

Q: What did you do then? Did you get up and did you go with him, or did you go to the hospital?

A: No, I had told my physician's assistant to go with him, but the ambulance is crowded and they didn't need another body in there. And so we loaded up and went back to ranch headquarters, basically. By then, it's about 7:00 p.m. at night.


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I dunno, but it seems to me that if you or I had seriously shot a friend, that we would be at the hospital to follow how he is doing and be near him. Just out of decency, at the very least.

 

[smurphy]

I don't really see what's new or significant about that article. Yeah - everyone knew Iraq would like to have developed WMD's like we encouraged them to do in the 80's - but that would have been quite difficult even with a somewhat incompetent UN inspection team after Gulf 1.

I can buy the point that invasion was a "judgement call". Certainly no love lost for tyranical Saddam. But certainly an article like this does not prove any kind of further danger posed by Iraq to justify the invasion.

It's not like there aren't dozens of world leaders who WANT to do same thing. Really nothing special about Iraq in that way. Sure, Saddam wanted lots of things.

 

[dawgball]

gecko -- I believe the VP of the US being at a hospital would cause more damage than good. The man who was shot needed the attention, and we all know how quickly the whispers would have turned into a media frenzy inside the hospital.

That's just what I thought when I first heard him say he wasn't there. Also, what exactly can he do to improve the situation there (not taking into account how he definitely could be detrimental to the situation)?

 

[smurphy]

Looks like this will be a big story afterall....

 

[gecko]

The man who was shot needed the attention, and we all know how quickly the whispers would have turned into a media frenzy inside the hospital.

That's just a convenient excuse. We are talking about a small medical facility, and that's even before Mr. Whittington was taken to the Corpus Christi hospital. The fact is, that evening and in the immediate aftermath hardly anyone there outside of the hunting party, some authorities and those who provide the care at the ranch knew about the circumstances of the incident. And the irony is, Cheney is being criticized for being so "secretive".

Also, what exactly can he do to improve the situation there (not taking into account how he definitely could be detrimental to the situation)?

My point is this...it is just not in my value system to cut and run from your friend and 78-year old victim when you cause him to be seriously injured. Cheney may be the VP of the United States, but he's also a human being. You have the secret service at your disposal for goodness sakes. You either stand by the person you injured and show compassion and concern by being near him in a crisis moment, or you move away and detach yourself from the situation, and in this case receive reports as if you are in "an undisclosed secure location"...LOL.



And another thing, admittedly there has been some strain between Bush and Cheney and their staffs (and within the VP staff, too) lately. But why is it that apparently the VP didn't even talk to his boss til at least a couple of days afterwards? Hmmmm....... :nooo:

 

[StevieD]

But why is it that apparently the VP didn't even talk to his boss til at least a couple of days afterwards? Hmmmm....... :nooo:

Cheney didn't talk to Rove? :142smilie

 

[toastonastick]

what about Britt Hume asking Cheney "did you get the bird".

What a complete idiot!

 

[gardenweasel]

this isn`t yet the smoking gun...but it is another piece of the puzzle...there are many more tapes to be translated....

the guy did bury jets in the desert...and it`s a big desert..

we neocons will have to keep checking this story....because,even if they find stockpiles of wmd`s, the mainstream media will never report on them.....

of course…if the wmd`s were stacked in such a way....say, with panties on the warheads.....well,that`s another story.....

 

[dawgball]

Take it as an excuse or just the way I feel. Because I certainly don't feel any obligation to stand up for Cheney.

The fact is, that evening and in the immediate aftermath hardly anyone there outside of the hunting party, some authorities and those who provide the care at the ranch knew about the circumstances of the incident.

And my point was that would not have been the case if Cheney makes an appearance at the hospital. The word would have beena bonfire and every newshound in a 300 mile radius would have been high-tailing it to the facility.

 

[kosar]

What does burying jets in the sand have to do with anything? Who cares if he buried jets? Kinda like Manson when he started a thread titled 'PROOF OF WMD' and showed a picture of a half buried jet. WTF?

And yeah, like Saul said, this article is nothing new.

 

[gecko]

And my point was that would not have been the case if Cheney makes an appearance at the hospital. The word would have beena bonfire and every newshound in a 300 mile radius would have been high-tailing it to the facility.

I guess I'm just putting concern for my victim ahead of concern for myself. I just think that evening would've been clear of such frenzy. (Did I also read that he had a cocktail after he returned to the ranch?) Besides, Cheney's a regular visitor to hospitals! That guy's medical records are guarded tighter than most classified information...LOL.

He could've done his thing and entered/exited through the side door as he usually does.

Don't get me wrong, I voted for Bush/Cheney in 2002 largely because of the steady hand that Cheney would provide as VP (in other words, I couldn't trust Bush then, OR now), but this business-like approach to things just doesn't seem very appealing to me anymore. Show me an ounce of kindness and understanding every once in a while. At least Dubya does.

 

[gardenweasel]

"what does burying jets in the sand have to do with anything?"

you`re kidding...are you sticking your fingers in your ears shouting "la la la la la?"....

if jets were buried,why not chemical,biological and/or any burgeoning nuclear technology?....

i mean,the guy only had around 13 years to hide or remove the stuff,thanks to the u.n....

i know the left will keep moving the bar...no matter what`s found..their whole argument against iraq becomes null and void with the discovery of wmd`s...

look, we could have video of saddam examining bunkers full of wmd`s, neatly labeled in english, with a huge map in the background with u.s.. targets brightly circled using saddam’s blood as ink and those on the left still wouldn`t buy it...

w could produce the map with his dna on it and they would argue that the evidence was obtained without a warrant and therefore should not be considered....

i get that...

i`m hip,buddy...that`s why i`m saying it`s not the smoking gun....yet..i don`t want you to have a conniption.....but as i said,it`s looking more interesting by the week....it could be coming....

so lay in those valium...

 

[kosar]

Ohhh, your point with the jets thing is that is possible to bury things underground? I got it now, Captain Obvious.

As far as any argument against the war being 'null and void' if they find weapons? Total and complete bullshit.

By saying that you must also agree that since we have found none, then any arguments FOR the war are 'null and void.'

Apparently you hinge the entire thing on whether Saddam still had WMD lying around. Therefore, you should be denouncing this farce more than anybody.

 

[ctownguy]

what about Britt Hume asking Cheney "did you get the bird".

What a complete idiot!

That was a joke to lighten the moment.

 

[gardenweasel]

calm down......breathe.....

all i`m saying is that the book certainly isn`t closed...there`s no statute of limitations on finding wmd`s in iraq...or finding them in syria....

these documents(which are causing liberals all kinds of indigestion,btw....and maybe even some republicans))combined with general sada`s recent revelations....along with the fact there are piles and piles of tapes and manuscripts that have not been translated .....could possibly cast a new light on the wmd issue....

or MAYBE,JUST MAYBE....there`s some stuff that the bush administration doesn`t want to go public(how about that,k?.....i can see the drool dripping on your keyboard as you read this little tidbit)....

i`d like to see them use a site to post this shit on the net...the "hive will translate it...you can believe that...

let`s hang tight....

here`s some interesting reading..http://www.nysun.com/article/27684

some old cia anti-war...anti-bushies(james woolsey)are getting snarky...(wonder where all those ny times leaks came from?).....(wonder who sent joe wilson to investigate whitecake in niger?).....the cia?..didn`t valerie plame work for the cia?....hmmm?

.some ARE getting their panties in a wad over this stuff...

i`ll try and keep it in my pants until we know more....

but,this could be very important...

 

[gardenweasel]

the link`s working now...

 

[kosar]

How is it that if someone is/was against the Iraq invasion, they are labeled as 'anti-war?' (see Woosley above)

Shouldn't it be 'anti THIS war', and those people are correct.

link's no good, btw.

 

[gardenweasel]

it may be "no good"...but,it works....check it out....