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You may have noticed that I don't like to do things the easy way (save for the dishes, cleaning, and ... you get the point), but I'm gonna pretend to try and simplify this. Hope it doesn't rust.

P.OPS=preferred on-base + slugging percentage: weighted towards starting pitcher's arm and his expected innings pitched, with the balance a flat ops.
e.g. Rocks facing lefty starter, expected to go about 6 IP:
...6*919(vs left) + 3*794(overall)
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...........................9
=877

--slight adjustments made if team is better home/away, team is on a significant hitting streak or slump, or if key members of lineup are disabled or not 100%

PITCH=combo of (my own) starting pitcher rating combined with (m.o.) bullpen rating.
e.g. (very) solid starter, expected to go about 7 IP, with a poor bullpen behind him, might look like this:
...7*90 + 2*65
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............9
=84

--the general ratings I keep vary start to start, and will be further adjusted based on how he's fared vs opposing team, home vs away descrepancies, and other key factors such as current biorhythmic patterns.

(yes, I'm not not kidding):rolleyes:

(bio stuff only ... you read that recent article at Covers? ... who am I to rain on someone else's placebo effect?):rolleyes:

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Braves(Ortiz)@Phillies(Millwood)
P.OPS: Braves: 826, Phils: 742
PITCH: Braves: 75, Phils: 84
--Braves slightly down past 10 vs R (.267, .279 year) while Phils slightly up past 10 vs R (.257 vs .248 year). Home/road #'s doesn't swing this much (Braves .272 road vs R, Phils .259 home vs R). Ortiz solid, if unspectacular, vs Phils in career (2-3, 4.02 era, 1 CG in 9 starts -- 1-2 w/6.56 era @Veterens). Millwood, rocked in his last @Reds, will face old team for 1st time.
--Call is Philly 55-45
--Price: Philly -135 (PV -3)
PASS

--HP Culbreth not a major factor for total (8), but over is 8-6 on season, called a May 28th Ortiz 15-3 victory over Reds, @Turner, and many of his overs have been w/crap on mound; seems friendly towards lefties this year (Hampton, Daal, D.Davis, W.Franklin all had good games w/Culbreth).
Could be a tight one, but # too low for me.
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Mets(Leiter-L)@Marlins(Penny)
P.OPS: Mets: 730, Marlins: 791
PITCH: Mets: 79, Marlins: 75
--Leiter 10-4, 3.73 era, in 15 starts vs fish (21-8 w/2.51 era overall @Pro Player). PENNY IS 0-6 VS METS, 6.12 ERA IN 9 STARTS. Penny is coming off of a solid 7 inning shutout performance @Texas (5 h, 4BB, 5K), and has been great in 5 of his past 6 -- often just completing 6 IP, bullpen behind him is unspectacular, but not the worst. Mets .276 past 10 vs R, compared to .252 on year (vs r). Fish .341 past 10 vs L, compared to .287 on year(L). Home/away not major, but fish doing a little better on road.
--I'm a sucker for Leiter, and Penny has stunk vs Mets, but still have to favour fish here as Penny has been solid and fish have been smoking dutchies ... er...lefties.
Call is Marlins 55-45
Price: Marlins -125 (PV -1)
PASS
--still tempted by Mets - Leiter ALSO blanked Rangers last time out (6 IP, 8h,2bb,6k) ... was roughed up previous 2, though, vs M's and (sorta) vs Braves.

--HP Diaz, while not the smallest zone in the world, is not the best for under plays. These 2 clubs have already played 2 very low-scoring affairs, however, and there is no way I touch the over here.
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Cubs(Wood)@Reds(Haynes)
P.OPS: Cubs: 728, Reds: 772
PITCH: Cubs: 89, Reds: 72
--Wood not terrible in last @Jays, a game I saw; 3 of the runs came on HR's to lead off innings, and he did strike out 8 in 6 IP (2 BB). He's a solid 8-2 in 12 vs Cinci, w/2.75 era and 104 K's in 78.2 IP, though Boone, Dunn and Kearns have all HR'ed off him. Haynes 3-4 w/6.00 era in 11 vs Cubs. Sosa just 6/24 (.250) w/no HR's, so may not enjoy return. Haynes has looked fine in past 4, since coming off DL, and looked even better in last - a CG victory over Philly, in the 15-1 fiasco over Millwood & friends. Several other Cubs bats have hit him hard, and Cubs .251 past 10 vs R no different than their .250 on season (.262 road, all vs R). Reds still prefer the HR, and are .279 past 10, .251 year, and .257 at home vs R.
--Call is Cubs 60-40
Price: Cubs -160 (!!ratsen fratsen!!) (PV -2)
PASS in anguish

--HP Kellogg an even 7-7 o/u, but zone is tight and over prevails for his career. Never called Wood, but 3 starts with Haynes on the hill have all gone over ... were in 2000 and '01. Over 9 with Wood on hill is pass for me, especially with Sammy not expected to be an immediate cure-all for Cubs offense. I'd consider under with a different ump. 3 of past 4 and 4 of past 6 have been under, mind you, but May 12th Prior@Rusch match saw Chi winning 11-5 (total was 7.5)
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D'Backs(Webb)@Astros(Villone-L)
P.OPS: D'Backs: 737, Astros: 760
PITCH: D'Backs: 83, Astros: 73
--rookie Webb makes 1st start vs, he's 1-1 on road in 3 starts w/1.80 era, 0.95 whip, and BB-K of 5-21 in 20 IP. Solid overall #'s on season - I can't wait for the first Webb/B.Myers matchup. Villone just called up from Triple-A. He's 2-1 w/5.77 era in 8 (5 starts) vs D'Backs. D'Backs .284 last 10 vs L (.258 year, only .235 road). Astros .261 last 10 vs R, same on year, and .272 at home (R). Along w/closer Mantei and several starters, D'Backs just lost newly acquired #B Hillenbrand to DL, and have a couple other minor hurts. Astros bats now all available.
--Call is D'Backs 55-45, though Villone may surprise me, and D'Backs didn't exactly smoke lefty Robertson yesterday, and 'stros are 23-12 at home. Still like D'Backs shot, here, with Webb tossing.
Price: D'Backs +115 (PV +8)
PLAY:
D'Backs
1/1.15

--HP Froemming's unders are 10-4 this year, but he wasn't such an under play in years past, so should balance out. He did a May 23rd Webb game, in 'zona, as D'Backs beat Padres (Loewer) 5-3. He did Villone starts, last April and one in '99, both which played under. Total at 10 looks high, and I can't see Astros winning unless Villone brings something, and their solid pen does some nice work; I'll try for the sweep.
PLAY:
under 10 -110
1.1/1
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Cards(Simontacchi)@Brewers(Rusch-L)
P.OPS: Cards: 825, Brewers: 744
PITCH: Cards: 69, Brewers: 63
--Simon nothing special this year, but threw a solid 7 innings at Brewers in only meeting last year, @Busch. 1st 2 starts of June have been poor, though they were vs Jays & @Yanks (ended May w/CG 3-1 win vs Astros); era has been under 6 (5.85) for only a short span in early May, currently 6.65. Rusch, currently at 7.77 era, has been about as bad as is humanly possible. 3-4 in 11 starts vs Cards, w/3.92 era; Brewers have only won 2 of his 14 starts this year. Concern w/Cards offense, despite output yesterday, as Edmonds not 100% (left early yesterday, probable today), Rolen sat out (neck), and Vina & Marrero still on sidelines ... have been for awhile, though, and Cards keep on rolling - .281 last 10 vs L, .289 on year, but just .260 on road(L). Brewers .283 last 10, .253 year, and .251 home, vs R. Cards just 14-21 on road. Brewers a pathetic 13-24 at home.
--Can't touch Rusch ... Call is Cards 61-39
Price: Cards -135 (PV +3)
PASS unless it comes down a bit (as if...this is Rusch, here)

--7-7 on totals this year, HP Hudson had been leaning under the previous 3 seasons, this despite his fairly low strike % (all years but '01). Nothing w/Simon, both of his Rusch games have played under ('00 and '01). No way I play Rusch vs Cards under. Simon risky as well. I can't play over 10 with the Q's on Cards offense, but it does help the over that neither pen sparkles (Cards DO have closer Isringhausen in play now, finally).
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Padres(Jarvis)@Rockies(Chacon)
P.OPS: Padres: 739, Rocks: 774
PITCH: Padres: 65, Rocks: 79
--Rocks poor pen brings Rocks P# down a bit, but they have been performing better lately. Jarvis was decent in his first start of year, but stumping Chisox for 5 IP maybe not cause for celebration. 3-3 w/6.19 era vs Rocks in 11 (7 GS). Wilson, Walker, and Helton have all FEASTED on Jarvis in the past. Chacon 1-1 w/3.64 era in 5 starts vs. He's 6-1 at Coors this year, w/4.39 era. 3 of past 4 have been very good, and he's giving the Rocks innings, which helps to keep their pen at bay. Pads 11-25 on road, Rocks 25-12 at home, with these #'s including Pads taking 1st 2 this series.
--Call is Rocks 72-28
Price: Rocks -190 (PV +6)
Almost worth it here ... thought about a parlay w/Yanks, but doing:
PLAY:
Rockies -1.5 -110 (PV +7 at 60%, hoping Coors helps vs 1-run game)
1.65/1.5

--HP Marsh a serious over-threat (9-6 this year, 20-12 last, constantly low strike # for career), but Coors has been quieter this year, Chacon-pummellage unlikely, and Jarvis probably won't pull a Rusch. over 11.5 if I HAD to play total, especially w/2 bogus pens, but I'll sit back and hope Rocks go over all by themselves - Rocks over 6 and they should win by 2.

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Crap...this ain't goin' nearly as fast as I'd like...
gotta get some sleep, too, as my "doctor" is making a house-call tomorrow.

Giants(Rueter-L)@Dodgers(Ishii-L)
P.OPS: SF: 822, LA: 734 (both prefer lefties)
PITCH: SF: 75, LA: 85
--Rueter not great vs LA, Ishii alright vs SF
--SF's Snow left yesterday's, and Galarraga sat out (flu)
--OF Ward off DL, despite what Covers claims; McGriff d-d (groin)
--SF good pen, LA great pen
Call is LA 57-43
Price: LA -120 (PV +2)
PASS

--HP Cousins 10-4 on overs this year, typically an over ump in past, and total of 7 a joke with these two both hitting lefties better. Ishii has been an animal this year, but sooner or later the fans in LA are going to witness a high(er) scoring affair. I'll bet it's this one, with the price in my favor as well.
PLAY:
over 7 +105
1/1.05

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D'Rays(Zambrano)@Yanks(Clemens)
P.OPS: D'R's: 727, Yanks: 828
PITCH: D: 75, Y: 84
--Clemens 9-3 in 16 starts vs, 3.43 era and 106 K in 102.1 IP
--Zamb 1-2, 4.54 vs, including 6 shutout innings April 13 @Ruth house; been great last 4 starts; still ... don't like the D'Rays chances against non-Weaver Yanks starter
Call is Yanks 71-29
Price: Yanks -270 (hahahahahahah...PV -2)
PASSOLA

run-line, at -130 is tempting, but haven't touched it yet ... D'Rays pen is quite good (doubleheader yesterday doesn't help, mind you), and Zambrano sorta showing he's not a phony.

--HP Tschida an over ump, past 2 years, was under previously, and has always had a fairly low strike %. Total of 9 does nothing for me - pressure is now off Clemens, who finally bagged 300, and he has owned D'Rays, and Zamb probably not intimidated here, but 25 runs scored yesterday (13 D's & 12 Yanks) means that mega-zeroage is unlikely.

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Indians(Davis)@Tigers(Bonderman)
P.OPS: Indians: 694, Tigers: 618
PITCH: Indians: 68, Tigers: 71
--Davis not so hot vs, while Bonderman given small + vs
--offense says under, pitching matchup says over (HP Randazzo seems to favour neither)
Call is Tigers 54-46
Price: Tigers -105 (PV +2)
PASS
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Bosox(Wakefield)@Chisox(Loaiza)
P.OPS: Bosox: 872, Chisox: 703
PITCH: Bosox: 70, Chisox: 81
--Loaiza maybe finally coming back to earth, as last 2 starts (12 IP) he's allowed 6 er's (team still won both, and BB-K in those 12 IP was 1-13). Left last game early with sore neck, apparently suffered by "sleeping awkwardly" (brother:rolleyes: ). Overpaid-this-year Wakefield good in last vs Cards in 6 IP. Both starters have had trouble vs opposition, neither pen is great, and large strike-zone HP Timmons has transformed from an under play to an over play since new K-zone, starting last year.
Call is Bosox 54-46
Price: Bosox +120 (thank-ya-now:) ...PV +8)
PLAY:
Bosox +120
2/2.4

Total at 9 looks low, if Loaiza isn't in top form. Chisox bats not an encouraging under play, mind you.
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Excuse the rush job here ... what can I do?
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Twins(Reed)@Royals(George-L)
P.OPS: Twins: 780, Royals: 771
PITCH: Twins: 78, Royals: 68
--Reed, coming off DL (back), has been either great or chit this year
--George coming off 6-1 W over SF (&Schmidt), but did allow 10 hits in 6.1 IP, has 6.35 era on year
--both starters with success vs, Reed a little more due to longer career
--Twins with huge BP edge
--KC 14-7 win yesterday adds to my belief that Twins are like Angels this year - very unpredictable (had Twins 56-44 yesterday, no coinage on the -130)
--big-zone HP Cuzzi an under-lean, if anything
--KC coming back to life at home, now 19-14 on year, Twins better on road at 20-14
Call is Twins 55-45
Price: Twins -130 (PV -2)
PASS

--total at 10.5 is a mystery to me ... 14-7 yesterday could twilight zone to a 5-3 game today
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Angels(Sele)@Mariners(Garcia)
P.OPS: Angels: 761, M's: 775
PITCH: Angels: 72, M's: 81
--short outting expected by Sele, and Angels pen is solid, otherwise Angels P# would be in tank (Sele poor so far, and has not fared well vs)
--Garcia solid vs Angels, and he's starting to make me believe in him again lately with improved work (M's pen solid also, even w/closer Sasaki sidelined)
--both clubs more than 20 points below season avg in past 10 vs R (past 10, Angels .242, M's .250 - M's just .248 home, Angels .272 road - all #'s vs R)
--HP Dreckman a decent under play, but Sele not showing much this year, and Garcia has had his moments - both offenses all capable of surging
Call is M's 64-36
Price: M's -180 (PV -1)
PASS

I can't give the run-line any better than 50-50 here, so double-pass.
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Rangers(Mounce-L)@A's(Zito-L)
P.OPs: Rangers: 751, A's: 728
PITCH: Rangers: 65, A's: 86
--Rangers not so hot vs lefties all season(.258) but better past 10 (.278). A's just .242 vs L on year and .220 past 10
--long-shot Mounce didn't survive Marlins last time out, his 1st big-league appearance (at 28 years old)
--Zito had a complete game, 6-hit shutout at home vs Rangers on April 18th, AND IS 9-0 IN 13 STARTS VS LIFETIME, W/2.57 ERA; A-Rod and Palmeiro both under .200 in several appearances and Juan-Gon just 6/21 (.286) with a 2B his only extra-baser
--HP Wolf 28-19 under, past 1.5 years, though K% not very high
Call is A's 68-32, only so low due to Rangers bats appearing to be healthy, and A's bats quite funky
Price: A's -260 (gimme a break, one-time!...PV -5)

Maybe a last-second run-line play, here, but no chance at the -130 I'm currently being offered.

Total, like side, is tougher to call with the Mounce-factor. Could be a wake up call for A's bats (.220 past 10 vs L?!?!?!). Rangers blanking unlikely, as Zito has allowed at least 2 in 7 straight.

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Thanks Ray
Hope you clean up today!:)

Final (maybe) tally:
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D'Backs +115 -+- 1/1.15
D'Backs@Astros under 10 -110 -+- 1.1/1
Rockies -1.5 -110 -+- 1.65/1.5
Giants@Dodgers over 7 +105 -+- 1/1.05
Bosox +120 -+- 2/2.4

Tough go last week. I'll take any + that chance may offer.

Hope the Positive Touches You All

(could that be any more F corny?):rolleyes: :D

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Quick question for you, but first great job love the ?2 cents? threads and check them out everyday. I agree that good sign of how a team is hitting the ball is to compare how they are doing in the last ten as compared to how they are doing on the year. I have used this in the past but have had to throw out most of the work on lefties for this reason:

This is a clip of your Mets/Fish review:

Leiter 10-4, 3.73 era, in 15 starts vs fish (21-8 w/2.51 era overall @Pro Player). PENNY IS 0-6 VS METS, 6.12 ERA IN 9 STARTS. Penny is coming off of a solid 7 inning shutout performance @Texas (5 h, 4BB, 5K), and has been great in 5 of his past 6 -- often just completing 6 IP, bullpen behind him is unspectacular, but not the worst. Mets .276 past 10 vs R, compared to .252 on year (vs r). Fish .341 past 10 vs L, compared to .287 on year(L). Home/away not major, but fish doing a little better on road.

The problem I run into is comparing the fish with how they do against lefties overall and in the last ten. The reason I have this problem is simple when looking at how the fish do against lefties it would seem the fish are hitting lefties better of late than they have on the year, but in reality in the last ten games they may have only faced a lefty once and he may have been bush league. So I was curious what you do if this is indeed the case. Do you put less emphasis on the stat, or use it as normal?

Thanks in advance for your response.


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Sorry for the delay on answering, scoop, but I've had "one-o-those-days", if yaknowhatimean, and just noticed your post now.

Personally, I TRY to check out such things like you point out here.
Very good point, especially with lefties, as they are (relatively) scarce. I use covers for the #'s I post, concerning vs arm past 10, and at the bottom of the same page it shows the results for the past 10 games from both teams. This makes it very easy to check and see if such a number might be misleading. Whether or not it was in this case remains open to debate, as the fish faced Glavine, Mounce, and W.Franklin over the previous 10 - Mounce and Franklin are arguably trash (Franklin still undecided, but he's no stud), and Glavine has looked out of place at times this year with his new team. The #'s covers provides also includes AB's vs relievers, which may diminish any insignificance a bit, but obviously it is difficult really fathom how much of the # is weighted towards any relievers faced ... probably not tons in the case of lefties.

I use the past 10 numbers, myself, to adjust my "P.OPS" only slightly: if my standard starter + reliever / 9, which I sort of tried to explain, were to give me (say) 750, with a team hitting .250 on the year (say vs L), but they were hitting .320 the past 10 vs L, then I might adjust it up to 760 or 765. If I am as thorough as I try to be, I will check who they have faced to see if such addition is warranted. This is especially true in games that catch my interest to wager on, or in cases where the number seems surprising or anomolous.

I generally have no life, lately, so I'm pretty much (I think/hope) on top of whether or not a team has faced, say, 2 or 3 lefties in the past 5 or 6 games -- this is where I will be more concerned about the past 10 (make that, recent) results. I'm not sure if this is the right way to go, but I am usually tempted to put more weight on the past 2,3, or 5 games, then on the past 10. Such weighting I try and use in adjusting the flat P.OPS #, but it gets very difficult to elaborate on every aspect of my thinking for each game in my posts.

I appreciate the Q, as it has gotten me thinking about just how much weight I give this and that, and whether or not I am being reasonable with the same. It also makes me consider what I am putting in my posts, as my intention, with them, is to help me discipline my own thinking about each game, and also to show any pros or cons on either side. I am tempted to smply argue why I like each game, providing relavent #'s to back any argument I make, but I feel I am doing a disservice to myself and others if I just stick to data-mining, or providing just the numbers that argue FOR the side I'm on; I can generally ALWAYS think of a reason NOT to play the side I am on.

Hopefully others checking these posts out are like yourself, and do their share of research when such considerations come up. The past 10 #'s aren't as important to me as I may have been presenting them; they are just conveniently located on the same page where I obtain my seasonal stats, so I have been providing them quite regularly. In reality, a flat P.OPS would suffice, although injuries must be accounted for (this one is tough too -- despite his pre-suspension slump, I was lopping off app. 20-30 points from the Cubs P.OPS while Sosa was sitting ... he is a key component of their lineup, and I'm not sure whether or not such a subtraction was enough, or maybe even too much...thoughts?)

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EXTRAPOLATER said:
Thanks Ray
Hope you clean up today!:)

Final (maybe) tally:
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D'Backs +115 -+- 1/1.15
D'Backs@Astros under 10 -110 -+- 1.1/1
Rockies -1.5 -110 -+- 1.65/1.5
Giants@Dodgers over 7 +105 -+- 1/1.05
Bosox +120 -+- 2/2.4

Tough go last week. I'll take any + that chance may offer.

Hope the Positive Touches You All

(could that be any more F corny?):rolleyes: :D

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Great reply EX, and that is the main reason I check your thread on a daily basis...you put more than enough thought into your capping right or wrong....



on test day I would rather copy from the guy who studied...:D



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