Week 8

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YTD: 51-46-2
LW: 12-8

Early leans for the weekend:
NCSU
BYU
Wake
Clemson
VT
Duke
Iowa
NW
Kansas
MSU
Miss
Vandy
T Tech
MSU
Tx
UVa
Mich
Cal
LSU
 

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gl toy


i really like nc state on thurs., you might win s/u IMO... talk me out of it

dont play the ML...we have historically played FSU close and the major reason in past years was because of Amato bringing so many Fla players up here to play...i am sure i will play the line, but will not play the ML...

anything is possible, but play it at your own riskkurby
 

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Good luck this week Boss
Like a lot of them but was wondering... you are leaning toward NC St? Do you think they have it in them to play with the FSU defense that has shown a lot of speed and toughness? And do you think NC St can hold Smith on the ground now that FSU's lne is coming together?

Cheers
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Good luck this week Boss
Like a lot of them but was wondering... you are leaning toward NC St? Do you think they have it in them to play with the FSU defense that has shown a lot of speed and toughness? And do you think NC St can hold Smith on the ground now that FSU's lne is coming together?

Cheers
Irish
I am playing NCSU..got em at +11...State's offense is getting better each week...our defense can hang with most teams...the recent problems have been long drives from the other team wearing them down...FSU will be a tough task...Amato being back as an FSU coach will definitely rile up the team and the fans...kind of like the Wake game last week...night game...ESPN gameday there...thursday night game...national exposure...im sure i think with red-tinted glasses here, but truly feel the play is Pack or no play...sure, FSU could wallop us like USC and USF....but the Pack has a lot to play for...
 

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PEELER: Another Off-Week Rejuvenation?

PEELER: Another Off-Week Rejuvenation?

PEELER: Another Off-Week Rejuvenation?


BY TIM PEELER



RALEIGH, N.C. ? The NC State football team that returned from last year?s open date was completely different, in terms of personnel and confidence, than the one that lost five of its first six games. Beginning with a win at East Carolina and continuing with successive victories over Virginia, North Carolina and Miami, that team managed to turn its fortunes around and put itself in position for a post-season bowl game.



It fell short of that goal by losing its final two games, but there is no doubt that the team took the player changes and attitude adjustments made by first-year coach Tom O?Brien to heart during that week off in the middle of last October. It stopped turning the ball over as much and learned how to win against difficult competition in difficult situations.



Does that mean that this year?s Wolfpack (2-4 overall, 0-2 ACC), which will have had a 12-day break since its loss to Boston College and Thursday?s home game against Florida State, will experience a similar turnaround? Kickoff is slated for 7:30 p.m. in a State Fair game that will be televised on ESPN.



O?Brien, now in his second year as the Wolfpack?s head coach, isn?t making any promises, mainly because his team didn?t have a true bye week and because, unlike last year, the squad is still sorely lacking in depth because of early-season injuries.



?It wasn?t quite the same because we didn?t have a whole week off,? O?Brien said Friday during his weekly pre-game press conference. ?We didn?t have the luxury of spending as much time on the practice field working on fundamentals. Instead of having three full days doing a lot, we only spend two days.?



That was, in part, by design. O?Brien gave his team last Sunday, Monday and Tuesday off to mentally and physically re-energize itself. When his team came back together, it spent much of the working on fundamentals and giving the scout-team members an opportunity to scrape off some rust and impress the coaches.



The other thing ? and this is key for a team that was down to just 46 scholarship players prior to last weekend?s 38-31 loss to Boston College ? is that O?Brien and his staff expect to have several players return from the injuries that have decimated the Wolfpack lineup so far this season. But that won?t likely be possible this season, even if defensive lineman Alan-Michael Cash, linebacker Nate Irving and offensive linemen Curtis Crouch and Julian Williams are able to return to action in the coming weeks.



Several players who missed time because of injuries earlier in the season ? like tight end Anthony Hill, running back Jamelle Eugene, defensive back Clem Johnson and quarterback Russell Wilson ? have returned to action, already injecting life into the Wolfpack?s lineup.



But O?Brien doesn?t see himself making wholesale adjustments.



?Last year, we had changes we could make,? O?Brien said. ?This year, we are playing everybody we have right now that is going to play. There is not going to be any major position changes, but depending on performance in practice, there may be some movement up and down the depth chart.?



At this point in the season, the coach doesn?t anticipate bringing any more freshmen into the lineup. So far, true freshmen Dwayne Maddox and Sterling Lucas have seen time at linebacker, Dominique Ellis has played in the defensive secondary, T.J. Graham has played at wide receiver and Taylor Gentry has played at fullback.



So the emphasis has been on working on the small things to help the team improve.



?We had very good fundamental practices,? O?Brien said. ?We tried to get better. Every player has something he has to get better at. [Former Virginia coach George] Welsh always said, ?Take care of the little thing and big things will happen.?



?If we can solve a lot of these little things, then we can put it all together and be a better football team when we put it all together. We had spirited workouts and the kids were into it.?



The players anticipate that the combination of rest and hard work of the off week will pay dividends over the latter half of the season.



?We want to do the same this year for the remainder of the season as we did last year: fight hard, play tough and get as many wins as possible,? said sophomore wide receiver Jarvis Williams. ?We got good energy and some rest. We still practiced hard and still bettered ourselves and prepared for the team we have coming up.?



Last year at this time, the team?s mantra was that it was beginning a new season. And that?s where it stands for the rest of this season.




?This past week has helped us come together as a team and reevaluating things,? sophomore DeAndre Morgan said. ?The coaches are doing a great job getting us ready for this game and getting our minds focused and getting on the winning side of things.?



Last season, the results of a similar adjustment helped the Wolfpack win four of its final six games.
 

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toy talk to me about your QB injuries and that stud middle LB....are both still hurt?


from covers

Florida State Seminoles | In-Depth
Player Status/Updated
Carlton Jones RB ques thurs - Ankle - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with an ankle injury
A.J. Ganguzza C ques thurs - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a knee injury
Dionte Allen CB ques thurs - Foot - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a food injury
Richard Goodman WR ques thurs - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a knee injury
Nick Moody DB ques thurs - Shoulder - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a shoulder injury
Tochmon Stevens DE ques thurs - Calf - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a calf injury
Moses McCray DT ques thurs - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a knee injury
Maurice Harris LB ques thurs - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a knee injury
Jamar Jackson DE ques thurs - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a knee injury
Ed Imeokparia DB out for season - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe will miss the entire season due to a knee injury
Aaron Gresham LB out for season - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe will miss the entire season due to a knee injury
Emmanuel Dunbar DT out for season - Back - 10/14/08 noteshe is expected to miss the entire season due to a back injury
Tavares Pressley RB out for season - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe will miss the entire season with a torn left ACL
Evan Bellamy T out for season - Leg - 10/14/08 noteshe will miss the entire season with a blood clot in his left leg

North Carolina State Wolfpack | In-Depth
Player Status/Updated
Julian Williams OL ques thurs - Shoulder - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a shoulder injury
Curtis Crouch OL ques thurs - Ankle - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with an ankle injury
Nathaniel Irving LB ques thurs - Leg - 10/14/08 noteshe is dealing with a lower leg injury
Javon Walker DB out for season - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe will miss the entire season with a knee injury
Geron James WR out indefinitely - Ankle - 10/14/08 noteshe is out indefinitely with an ankle injury
Matt Kushner TE out for season - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe will miss the remainder of the season with a right knee injury
Toney Baker RB out for season - Knee - 10/14/08 noteshe is expected to miss the remainder of the season after undergoing knee surgery
Justin Burke QB Transfer - Personal - 10/14/08 noteshe has decided to transfer to another school
Kyle Linney DL transfer - Personal - 10/14/08 noteshe has decided to transfer to another school
Thomas Barnes LB transfer - Personal - 10/14/08 noteshe has decided to transfer to another school
Ahmad Jaradat OL transfer - Personal - 10/14/08 noteshe has decided to transfer to another team
Clem Johnson DB out for season - Jaw - 10/14/08 noteshe is expected to miss the entire season with a broken jaw
Donald Bowens WR out for season - Back - 8/27/08 notes
 

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The other thing ? and this is key for a team that was down to just 46 scholarship players prior to last weekend?s 38-31 loss to Boston College

46? Is that right?
 

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HAYNES: Pack Hopes to Stay on Schedule Vs. FSU

HAYNES: Pack Hopes to Stay on Schedule Vs. FSU

HAYNES: Pack Hopes to Stay on Schedule Vs. FSU


RALEIGH, N.C. ? A year ago, NC State reached the halfway point of its season with a 1-5 record. Needless to say, not much went right in those first six games. Players were a step slow as they struggled to adjust to a new coaching staff and new schemes in all three phases of the game. With a whopping total of 22 turnovers at the halfway point, the Pack owned a downright unthinkable turnover margin of minus-17.



But during a much-needed open date in the schedule, head coach Tom O?Brien and his staff evaluated themselves and each player on the football team. They even went so far as to examine every single play from the first half, hoping to find some answers. Clearly, the process worked. NC State went on the road and knocked off East Carolina, igniting a four game winning streak.



And while the situation isn?t exactly the same this year, the Wolfpack will again have a chance to rescue its season with a strong second half run. Currently 2-4, the Pack again hopes to use a halfway open date to its advantage when Florida State visits Carter-Finley Stadium on Thursday night at 7:30. Unlike 12 months ago, there?s probably room for a little more optimism this time around.



For starters, the Wolfpack is finally getting healthy. More good news was contained in the updated injury report that was released on Tuesday night. Following a three-week absence, defensive tackle Alan-Michael Cash returns to the trenches on Thursday, as does back-up guard Curtis Crouch. Even better, standout linebacker Nate Irving is listed as probable. Before going down with an ankle injury in the first half against East Carolina in week four, Irving was playing as well as any linebacker in the ACC. Since his departure, opposing offenses have relentlessly attacked the boundary side of the field, the side that had been occupied by the active, savvy Irving.



Between them, South Florida and Boston College threw the majority of their passes to the boundary. And given the fact that those two teams combined for more than 1,000 yards of total offense, the strategy clearly worked.



The sooner Irving and Cash can get back up to full speed, the better for an NC State defense that had actually been holding its own until those two players left the line-up.



If the recent past is any indication, the national audience watching on ESPN could very well be captivated by a Florida State ? NC State matchup. The Wolfpack has a history of making life tough on the Seminoles, having won four of the last seven meetings.



What must the Pack do to make it five of the last eight? Let?s take a look at the major issues confronting the home team.



Getting off the field on defense and staying there on offense: This is something NC State couldn?t accomplish in its 38-31 loss to Boston College. With quarterback Chris Crane suddenly looking more like his predecessor, Matt Ryan, the Eagles threw the ball around with such ease that you often wondered if it seemed like a pass-skell drill. B.C. converted 8-of-16 third downs, owned a nearly 11-minute advantage in possession time, and ran a total of 81 offensive plays, 26 more than the Wolfpack.



Now comes a Florida State team that has, to this point, forced a lot of ?three and outs,? and has managed to stay on the field for long periods with a clock-eating ground game. The FSU offense is converting 52 percent of its third down plays through five games, while its defense is holding opponents to only 19 percent on third down, a figure that ranks No. 1 in all of college football.



Offensive coaches frequently talk about the importance of ?staying on schedule,? meaning that an offense must give itself a steady diet of favorable down and distance situations to keep drives alive and the chains moving. To this point, the Seminoles have knocked opposing offenses off schedule, which allows them to unleash an aggressive, in your face pass rush in third and long scenarios. To stay ?on schedule? on Thursday, quarterback Russell Wilson and the Pack offense must do a good job of executing on first down, which would give coordinator Dana Bible more play-calling options on second and third down. So keep an eye on first down success, even more than usual on Thursday. If NC State can average roughly four yards on first down throughout the game, it will have a better chance of staying on the field. If, however, the Pack is constantly behind the chains on second and third down, it will be a long night.



The Florida State defense averages nine tackles for loss and three sacks per contest, primarily because it has managed to force teams in predictable passing situations on second and third down.



?Defensively they?re the same as they?ve always been,? O?Brien said. ?Coach [Mickey] Andrews is still there and they haven?t changed that defense. It?s a junior-senior defense, so that means they?re more experienced and they?re in the same system.?



Defending the run: The good news is that Florida State, to this point anyway, hasn?t shown the ability to throw the ball as well as South Florida or Boston College. The bad news is the Seminoles really haven?t had to throw the football that much. When you?re averaging better than 231 yards on the ground and have a quarterback (Christian Ponder) who?s your second leading rusher, then you have something cooking. FSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher has made the commitment to run the football, a decision that is paying handsome dividends. In their 41-39 win at Miami on September 4, the ?Noles tallied 310 yards on the ground, with Ponder accounting for 144 of those yards.



Last season, Florida State averaged only 127 rushing yards per game.



?It starts with emphasis,? said legendary FSU head coach Bobby Bowden. ?Jimbo Fisher?s emphasis on the running game and keeping it in its place has made a difference.?



And when Florida State gets in the red zone, tailback Antone Smith knows how to find the goal line. In the midst of the best year of his career, the senior already has nine rushing touchdowns in five games to go along with 394 yards.



?They seem more committed to the run than they have in the past,? O?Brien said. ?That?s the way they want to play football now. Coach Fisher believes in running the football to set up the pass, but they?ll obviously do what they think they have to do to win.?



Cash is clearly NC State?s most disruptive and technically sound interior defensive lineman, so his return gives the Wolfpack a better chance to deal with Florida State?s ground attack. And of course, Irving was doing it all before sustaining his injury.



But if the Pack is successful in slowing down the FSU running game, it won?t be completely out of the woods. Towering 6-6 receiver Greg Carr gave the Pack fits last year, catching four balls for 140 yards in Florida State?s 27-10 victory in Tallahassee.



Ultimately, NC State would prefer to make Ponder into a more traditional quarterback and force him to win the game with his arm instead of his legs.



It?s all about staying on schedule and keeping the chains moving. The offense that succeeds in that area on Thursday will most likely come away a winner.
 

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1-1 yest...Pack had their chances to pull it out...they are getting there, but at least for us bettors, they do pretty well each year of covering spreads...hope that continues this year with a few more wins:rolleyes:

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