Who's to blame?

[dawgball]

http://forum.belmont.edu/cornwall/archives/009530.html

I am in Cleveland at John Carroll University this week conducting a workshop on taking entrepreneurship across the campus.

Last night over dinner, one of my hosts told a story about a recent business event. A local business leader said that one of the problems with economy in Northeastern Ohio is that they don't have enough entrepreneurs.

Trust me. I am sure that there are plenty of aspiring entrepreneurs. Every survey shows how prevalent entrepreneurial aspirations are in America today. No, the problem is not with a shortage of entrepreneurs. The problem is that this area does not have public policy that supports entrepreneurial economic activity.

For example, one of the most important predictor of entrepreneurial activity is taxes -- Ohio ranks 46th in overall tax rank in a recent report by the Tax Foundation. Even worse, Ohio ranks 48th in individual taxes. Since most entrepreneurial ventures are pass-through entities (LLCs, S-corp, partnership or sole proprietorship), the individual tax ranking is the most important tax predictor of entrepreneurial activity.

 

[dawgball]

Keep piling those taxes and programs on! Viva innovation!

http://forum.belmont.edu/cornwall/archives/009562.html

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You hit the # issue on where my vote will go and why--more this evening--busy as hell this morning.

 

[The Sponge]

Maybe we can go a little deeper here. What really hurts these business are when a family is struggling to heat their homes, buy gas for their cars, health cares sky rocketing cost, College cost ect.. This hurts these businesses because these people can't buy the companies products because they are struggling to make ends meet. Lets take Jack for instance. Do you think he would rather pay taxes that he was paying under Clinton but most likely was making better money or do you think he rather pay lower taxes but have guys setting policies like the guys you two vote for, who are basically trying to destroy his business? Now i don't know if Jack makes more under Clinton or Bush but i do know that the policies the Bush administration have snuck in under the guise of the Patriot act could not have help his business unless he is some kind of magician. Lets look at some of my buddies in the restuarant business that are hurting because of families struggling to make ends meet. They all say they were making more money under Clinton because people had money in their pockets. And finally how can we not tax these business? We now have a huge debt to pay from the guys you two vote for. We need these taxes because we have a war to pay for and of course we need the taxes because we also have to pay for war profiteers and defense companies raking us over the coals. Were else are we gonna get this money? You can't just give farmers free money. Someone has to pay for it. You can't just give oil companies tax breaks without someone paying for it. You can't just hand over blank checks to the Pharmaceutical companies without someone paying for it. All Bush policies. Oh and lastly when one of these companies want to leave for another country because of their greed, someone has to pay for the incentive for these companies to stab the american worker in the back to make this extra money. You can't just print up new money.

 

[danmurphy jr]

Maybe we can go a little deeper here. What really hurts these business are when a family is struggling to heat their homes, buy gas for their cars, health cares sky rocketing cost, College cost ect.. This hurts these businesses because these people can't buy the companies products because they are struggling to make ends meet. Lets take Jack for instance. Do you think he would rather pay taxes that he was paying under Clinton but most likely was making better money or do you think he rather pay lower taxes but have guys setting policies like the guys you two vote for, who are basically trying to destroy his business? Now i don't know if Jack makes more under Clinton or Bush but i do know that the policies the Bush administration have snuck in under the guise of the Patriot act could not have help his business unless he is some kind of magician. Lets look at some of my buddies in the restuarant business that are hurting because of families struggling to make ends meet. They all say they were making more money under Clinton because people had money in their pockets. And finally how can we not tax these business? We now have a huge debt to pay from the guys you two vote for. We need these taxes because we have a war to pay for and of course we need the taxes because we also have to pay for war profiteers and defense companies raking us over the coals. Were else are we gonna get this money? You can't just give farmers free money. Someone has to pay for it. You can't just give oil companies tax breaks without someone paying for it. You can't just hand over blank checks to the Pharmaceutical companies without someone paying for it. All Bush policies. Oh and lastly when one of these companies want to leave for another country because of their greed, someone has to pay for the incentive for these companies to stab the american worker in the back to make this extra money. You can't just print up new money.

Oh yes you can and they do.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

this is about taxes Sponge--evidently from your speil not many having to pay any where you live as tough as make times appear there.

We have prob with Restaurants here-- having to stand in line for hour to get in.

Have yet to have 1st company insured close the doors yet--however will admit trucking companies are having tough time--

You got unemployment not going much over 5% in last 10 years--need illegals to fill void in job market--so whose fault is it really if your setting on your ass not working--someone telling you not to swing that hammer unless your getting union wages

 

[The Sponge]

this is about taxes Sponge--evidently from your speil not many having to pay any where you live as tough as make times appear there.

We have prob with Restaurants here-- having to stand in line for hour to get in.

Have yet to have 1st company insured close the doors yet--however will admit trucking companies are having tough time--

You got unemployment not going much over 5% in last 10 years--need illegals to fill void in job market--so whose fault is it really if your setting on your ass not working--someone telling you not to swing that hammer unless your getting union wages

DTB, I said about a month ago to give it three to six months and the shit is really gonna hit the fan. I already see Home Depot has closed a ton of stores. I see the walmarts of the world starting to complain a little because the bottom line is starting to get pinched. What is saving your fearless leader is the big boys keeping the interest rates down for this thieving clown. If Obama gets in I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull a Carter on him and jack the interest rates straight up. Thanks for your concern about my work status. I could go to work tomorrow and swing the hammer if I wanted to but luckily I have developed a few other skills. I have tremendous fore site. I sold my restaurant the minute Bush stole his second term. You know why? Because I knew these gas prices were going up. It is tough changing the prices on the menu's every half an hour. The gas prices would have been this high years ago if that snake of a father of his would have won a second term. You all talk about supply and demand and I will just be a realist and realize that we have a collection of crooks running the country. Why else would anyone steal an election? To help people?:mj07: Oh and you are right about the truckers. They start the domino effect.

 

[dawgball]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull a Carter on him and jack the interest rates straight up.

This tells me a lot about where you stand.

But the point of this post, in my opinion, is not even close to where you are going. Can you really say that there are less entrepreneurial people in OH than in other states (they may/may not be on low end of scale). But to blame the state of no new businesses being started on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit is downright sheepish.

In the second year of starting my company (2003), my two partners and I went 10 months without any compensation. I worked until 3:30 on our business and waited tables from 4:00 to midnight 4-6 nights a week. And I'm no different than most people who start their own companies. They do what they have to do to make things work.

Just don't blame the current state on the lack of drive of individuals who make this country really tick.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

This tells me a lot about where you stand.

But the point of this post, in my opinion, is not even close to where you are going. Can you really say that there are less entrepreneurial people in OH than in other states (they may/may not be on low end of scale). But to blame the state of no new businesses being started on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit is downright sheepish.

In the second year of starting my company (2003), my two partners and I went 10 months without any compensation. I worked until 3:30 on our business and waited tables from 4:00 to midnight 4-6 nights a week. And I'm no different than most people who start their own companies. They do what they have to do to make things work.

Just don't blame the current state on the lack of drive of individuals who make this country really tick.

When you started your Company, did your state tax rate enter into the decision making at all? If it did, why didn't you move to Texas or Nevada to start up your Company?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Not much insentive to start business if you have gov wanting to dictate your labor cost--mandate amount you can charge for your services- then if you are successful-put tax surcharge on profits.

This not only applies to those wanting to start business-but also business's established.

I don't mind paying fair taxes--but the minute they try to gig me--I can get down to paying nearly 0 in short order--and I must assume that goes for many other small business's also.

 

[The Sponge]

This tells me a lot about where you stand.

But the point of this post, in my opinion, is not even close to where you are going. Can you really say that there are less entrepreneurial people in OH than in other states (they may/may not be on low end of scale). But to blame the state of no new businesses being started on the lack of entrepreneurial spirit is downright sheepish.

In the second year of starting my company (2003), my two partners and I went 10 months without any compensation. I worked until 3:30 on our business and waited tables from 4:00 to midnight 4-6 nights a week. And I'm no different than most people who start their own companies. They do what they have to do to make things work.

Just don't blame the current state on the lack of drive of individuals who make this country really tick.

Dawg yes you are different because you are doing it with hard work and you are legit. My problem with your thinking is that you think everyone does it the way you have. The strip store i had my restaurant in the guy i rented it from received all his money from shady dealings. When i needed help to repair stuff I quickly found out that he was a dead beat landlord. He walked around like he was the greatest businessman in the world and he did have a lot of property, but he did it a very shady way. I also have a problem with guys like Phil Knight from Nike. He makes a 100 million here but moves his company to some shit rate third world country because he is greedy and he can get away with hiring sweat shop employees among other sneaky things. You probably think this is a great business decision but to me i think it is unamerican. Some guys need to be the riches guy in the cemetary and they will try to get there no matter who's neck they have to step on. I don't let money control every thought i make.

 

[gardenweasel]

Maybe we can go a little deeper here. What really hurts these business are when a family is struggling to heat their homes, buy gas for their cars, health cares sky rocketing cost, College cost ect.. This hurts these businesses because these people can't buy the companies products because they are struggling to make ends meet.

"""""Lets take Jack for instance. Do you think he would rather pay taxes that he was paying under Clinton but most likely was making better money or do you think he rather pay lower taxes but have guys setting policies like the guys you two vote for, who are basically trying to destroy his business?""""" QUOTE]

for instance,take the state of maryland...losing their tax base and entrepreneurial business class because they`re getting taxed into submission...

so what do these companies do?.they scoot down the road to delaware...

and what does maryland do?...they keep piling it on the "producers"...to the point that in the very near future,they`ll be taking from the outlying counties to prop up the failing inner city...

it`s sort of a microcosm of the u.s.a....business closing plants and sending jobs overseas because its cheaper to do business there...despite sanctuary cities and illegal labor undermining working american`s wages and the minimum wage......

you really think piling on people who produce works in the long run?....

spongy,do you have a job?...seriously...

 

[The Sponge]

Maybe we can go a little deeper here. What really hurts these business are when a family is struggling to heat their homes, buy gas for their cars, health cares sky rocketing cost, College cost ect.. This hurts these businesses because these people can't buy the companies products because they are struggling to make ends meet.

"""""Lets take Jack for instance. Do you think he would rather pay taxes that he was paying under Clinton but most likely was making better money or do you think he rather pay lower taxes but have guys setting policies like the guys you two vote for, who are basically trying to destroy his business?""""" QUOTE]

for instance,take the state of maryland...losing their tax base and entrepreneurial business class because they`re getting taxed into submission...

so what do these companies do?.they scoot down the road to delaware...

and what does maryland do?...they keep piling it on the "producers"...to the point that in the very near future,they`ll be taking from the outlying counties to prop up the failing inner city...

it`s sort of a microcosm of the u.s.a....business closing plants and sending jobs overseas because its cheaper to do business there...despite sanctuary cities and illegal labor undermining working american`s wages and the minimum wage......

you really think piling on people who produce works in the long run?....

spongy,do you have a job?...seriously...

weasel you have made it clear that you are anti american worker. You have shown your distain when you see a picket line. What you really need to do is give up every benefit you have because these were created by unions and its a joke if you think they were not. Of course that thick Fox News head of yours probably thinks it was you that got you your health care and no one else but you. Usually people who fight for billionaires rights have these reckless beliefs. Im sorry if i wasn't born with the greed gene you seem to strongly possess. Seriously Weasel if you see an old lady passed out on the street do you empty her purse and move on? Get that almighty last dollar. Its not my fault that every stinking thought of yours revolves around making that extra dollar. Its the neocon way. You think every company that makes money does it on the up and up. Hell the evidence is there showing how corrupt this administration is but you pull out the old tired sound bites (from Fox) over and over again and the sad and scary part is that you believe them. Its almost laughable to think in the Clinton years companies were all losing money. This only happens when you have guys in charge who run up massive debts. Maybe if the guys you vote for didn't star ridiculous wars and the other 100's of things that kills this country and throws it in tremendous debt none of us would pay much at all in taxes.