why a famous liberal democrat will vote for bush in 2004

AR182

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i just read this article & thought some here might find it interesting.

Bolting for Bush

Edward I. Koch

Sunday, Jan. 11, 2004
The following appeared in the 1/9/04 edition of Forward.
I am a lifelong Democrat. I was elected to New York's City Council, Congress and three terms as mayor of New York City on the Democratic Party line. I believe in the values of the Democratic Party as articulated by Presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson and by Senators Hubert Humphrey, Henry "Scoop" Jackson and Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Our philosophy is: "If you need a helping hand, we will provide it." The Republican Party's philosophy, on the other hand, can be summed up as: "If I made it on my own, you will have to do the same."

Nevertheless, I intend to vote in 2004 to reelect President Bush. I will do so despite the fact that I do not agree with him on any major domestic issue, from tax policy to the recently enacted prescription drug law. These issues, however, pale in importance beside the menace of international terrorism, which threatens our very survival as a nation. President Bush has earned my vote because he has shown the resolve and courage necessary to wage the war against terrorism.

The Democratic presidential contenders, unfortunately, inspire no such confidence. With the exception of Senator Joseph Lieberman, who has no chance of winning, the Democrats have decided that in order to get their party's nomination, they must pander to its radical left wing. As a result, the Democratic candidates, even those who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, have attacked the Bush administration for its successful effort to remove a regime that was a sponsor of terrorism and a threat to world peace.

The Democrat now leading in the race, former governor Howard Dean, is a disgrace. His willingness to publicly entertain the slander that President Bush had advance warning of the September 11 attacks and his statement that America is no safer as a result of the capture of Saddam Hussein should have been sufficient to end his candidacy. But the radicals who dominate the primaries love the red meat that is thrown to them, even when it comes from a mad cow.

In contrast, President Bush has confronted the terrorist threat head on. Immediately following the September 11 terrorist attacks, the president presented the core principle of what has become known as the Bush Doctrine, an articulation of American foreign policy that rivals in importance the Monroe Doctrine, which barred foreign imperialism from the Western Hemisphere, and the Truman Doctrine, which sought to contain communism around the world. The Bush Doctrine, simply stated by the president, is: "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."

President Bush has lived up to that credo. Under his leadership, Afghanistan was liberated from Al Qaeda's patron, the Taliban. The president also has demonstrated, through the liberation of Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, that he is willing to wage a preemptive war when he believes the national interests of the United States are endangered.

Even if we never find weapons of mass-destruction in Iraq ? though I think that we will ? our military campaign for regime change was justified. If the bodies of a quarter-million Iraqi dissenters killed by Saddam, some tortured with their eyes gouged and tongues cut out, is not proof enough, there is still Saddam's undisputed use of weapons of mass destruction against his own people and Iran. That record is why Congress overwhelmingly voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

It is not only in Afghanistan and Iraq that President Bush has risen to meet challenges presented by our increasingly dangerous world. When the president labeled Iraq, Iran and North Korea an "axis of evil," many commentators mocked him. When he threatened Syria, Iran and Libya with serious consequences if they continued to support terrorist groups, there were those who denounced him for being too bellicose. Now, however, it appears that the president's hard line has begun to pay off. Recently, Libya agreed to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction programs and allow in international inspectors. There are even indications that Iran and possibly North Korea may permit international inspection of their nuclear programs.

Nor have the president's critics stopped him from standing up for American interests. Many of those who oppose the Bush Doctrine also criticize the president's opposition to the Kyoto Protocol, the International Criminal Court and his decision to withdraw the United States from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. These actions, however, are well-grounded.

President Bush was correct to oppose the Kyoto Protocol. The treaty would have exempted China and India, which have a combined population of more than 2 billion and are among the world's largest polluters.

As for the new International Criminal Court, it would be downright irresponsible to give this new tribunal the right to indict and try our military personnel for war crimes, given all the enmity directed at the United States nowadays. Instead we should continue to rely on our military justice system, which has an excellent reputation.

President Bush also was right to withdraw from the ABM Treaty. That treaty would have prevented the United States from deploying a shield against nuclear missiles that could be launched by rogue states or terrorists. The president's critics can pontificate about the importance of international institutions all they want, but we have to face facts. North Korea has nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them. Pakistan not only has nuclear weapons, but is suspected of having provided nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran. The two recent assassination attempts against President Pervez Musharraf highlight the dangers we face. Should Musharraf be removed or killed, no one knows who will ultimately control Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. It would have been negligent for President Bush to allow our hands to remain tied at a time when we need to be exploring every option to defend ourselves.

This record and the Democratic candidates' irresponsible rhetoric are the reasons why I will vote for a second term for President Bush. This does not mean, however, that I have given up on my party and its principles. To the contrary, I will continue to fight against the president's domestic agenda. I also hope to support the Democratic effort to take back the presidency in 2008, but it is up to the Democratic Party to show that it can be entrusted with our nation's security.

Edward I. Koch, who served as mayor of New York City from 1978 to 1989, is a partner in the law firm of Bryan Cave.
 

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I'm a registered independent.

I am fortunate to have a job. My family and I feel we are in a good position right now.

Therefore, my biggest concern today, 2004, is for my personal safety and the safety of my family.

Do I feel comfortable with any of the Democrats in these regards? How about Bush?

Each has to make a personal choice, and so we vote. For folks like me, Koch makes some great points.
 

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ceciol,

i'm also a registered independent & i'm in good shape also. that is why i will be voting along the lines of national security.
 

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great post

great post

I started out as an independent when I was younger to be able to make choices between which party I favored. After being an independent for about 4 yrs I registered Republican. However, I still see some democrats who would be better than their senate, gubernotrial counterparts, you see this frequently. It is sad that we have had such lousy democratic leaders in the presidential seat for the last 25 years. Lets face it, Clinton was a disaster lied to the american people should have been impeached and kicked out of office. This is a great post and it really makes you think about whats right and who's looking out for you.....

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"We all know the differences. Bush was a pilot in the National Guard; Kerry was a combat veteran. The Boston Globe recently pointed out that Kerry, in less than two months of combat, received the Silver Star and three Purple Hearts, which made him a hero and allowed him to request early termination of his combat duty.

But what happened next bothers me. According to the Globe, Kerry became involved in the anti-war movement upon his return, and asked for and received an early discharge from the Navy so he could continue those efforts.

How could Kerry so easily abandon his comrades in Vietnam, and then, 30 years on, call on those same men and women to back his presidential ambition?

Kerry now holds himself up as a war hero and asks for my vote. Yet, 30 years ago he stood with Jane Fonda and gave aid and comfort to an enemy still killing our brother veterans by the hundreds.

Bush's honorable service in the National Guard bothers me less than Kerry's abandonment of his brothers, his switching sides and his active contribution to an enemy's efforts to kill Americans.

Time often softens the dark edges of military service, leaving grown men the ability to sit around a kitchen table late at night to laugh about the exploits that left them less than whole. But the dramatic difference between Hero Kerry and Hanoi Kerry leave me to wonder who he might next abandon, and at what cost to America."
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Yea, he received those medals, but I heard it was thru the backdoor and not the way most in combat did.:shrug:
 

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Kerrys Silver Star
"On February 28, 1969:
When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he hot dogged his craft beaching it in the center of the enemy position. To his surprise, an enemy soldier sprang up from a hole not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled.
The boat's machine gunner hit and wounded the fleeing Viet Cong as he darted behind a hootch. The twin .50s gunner fired at the Viet Cong. He said he "laid 50 rounds" into the hootch before Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to the wounded Viet Cong. Kerry returned with the B-40 rocket and launcher.
Kerry was given a Silver Star for his actions. "

For anyone who's been in combat,this is quite amusing.
You drill a lone soilder with 50 +rounds of 50 cal--then the commander has then dock their boat and "he" gets off to go on shore for one viet cong????
I would go into the scematics of how awards are nominated but many officers receive nominations from their non commissioned officers and it is officer that nominates the non com for promotions--if you get my drift.
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3 purple hearts
"After his third Purple Heart Kerry requested to be sent home. Navy rules, he pointed out, allowed a thrice-wounded soldier to return to the United States immediately.
Commodore Charles F. Horne, an administrative official and commander of the coastal squadron in which Kerry served, filled out a document on March 17, 1969, that said Kerry had "been thrice wounded in action while on duty incountry Vietnam. Reassignment is requested ... as a personal aide in Boston, New York, or Wash., D.C. area.""

"When later asked about the severity of the wounds, Kerry said that one of them cost him about two days of service, and that the other two did not interrupt his duty. "Walking wounded," as Kerry put it."

no comment on this--self explainitory
 

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And some tell me I should be better with my facts.
When will they say the truth about this great NG duty Bush did.
You must understand the NG was full back then. To get in you dam near needed a pass form you state senator. Guess What. :D
Then with this group of air nat gd from Teaxas that could be called up to nam became a great possiabilty. Well someone somehow at that point gets permission to go to alabama to work on the re-election of a congressman from that state. Dam neat way of staying out of the fight.
I dont care if anyone was in nam for 2/3 months. Because many died the first week they were there. They weren't in Alabama hideing.
 

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The stupidity continued Sunday morning on 'Meet the Press' over President Bush's service record in the National Guard. Of course, you knew Tim Russert was going to grill him about it: "The Boston Globe and the Associated Press have gone through some of their records and said there's no evidence that you reported to duty in Alabama during the summer and fall of 1972," For the 10,000th time, George Bush replied "There may be no evidence, I did report; otherwise I wouldn't have been honorably discharged."

But that doesn't matter to the Democrats.
George Bush, you see, is a Republican, the liberals demand a much higher standard when it comes to military service. When it involved Bill Clinton dodging the draft in 1992, it was okay. We were told it didn't matter then. But it's an important, burning issue now...and the media is going along with it. Doesn't matter that Bush didn't dodge anything, put in his service, and as he said, was honorably discharged. That should be the end of discussion, but of course not.

And what about the proof? Every time this is brought up, it is presented that Bush is guilty until proven innocent. If the military records cannot be found, then he must be lying! Where was he for those months in Alabama in 1972? Who cares?

The Democrats' case is as weak as it gets ... but then so are their voters, so this is likely to have some effect.
 

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Turf im not saying he was not in Alabama or the NG. I just think it's clever how it worked so well for him with perfect timeing.
Im sure they will find doc's that said he was at some meeting in Alabama. In fact I would say that's a lock. The reason to be hideing out in Bama when his old unit back in Texas was getting the stand by notice. I call perfect timeing. Im sure GW was a must to help get the senator form Bama re-elected. With out his help the senator was doomed not to win. And even you would see a crock of chit on that one. Why becaue GW just was no force in politics at that time.
 

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also an independent

also an independent

that admittedly leans to the right....but,i have to say,that i find kerry much more palatable than say, a dean...or a clark.....

i don`t like his inability to take stands on certain issues...he tends to waffle....but,all things considered,after seeing democrats throw ridiculous candidates like gore(even hard core democrats have to admit,gore belongs as far away from the white house as possible...anybody that saw his last speech in which he made outrageous claims about bush in a totally out of control rant....he`s scary)and dean out there,i think they could do much worse than kerry....


i`m not scared sh-tless by the prospect of kerry being president....dean,clark and gore literally make my blood run cold...they all make ridiculous,outrageous statements and seem to show very little poise under pressure...very un-presidential....

it`s just a gut feeling,but,kerry seems a bit more mature....measured....together...
 

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true

true

kerry became very active in the anti-war movement.....i don`t think that lumping the guy in with jane fonda is entirely fair,though.....i think many consider fonda a traitor....

maybe the guy did see things in nam that made him feel the way he did...but,you can`t denengrate his service,as some in this thread seem to be doing...

i don`t agree with much of the viet nam anti-war protests.....the way it was done...the targeting of the troops as much as the policy....dead wrong,imo....

but,in retrospect,can you smear kerry as being wrong for protesting a war,that we now know was a mistake....at least,imo, the way we fought it......i don`t see him as some dirty,doped up hippie just following the crowd...or some sheltered celebrity living in a utopian fantasy world.......

he was a guy that was there...saw it firsthand.....made a decision regarding what the war was....and took action based on his convictions.....

i respect that...right or wrong....
 

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I just don't see any of the Democrats looking out for my security like Bush does/would.

Unfortunately with a two-party system, we'll never be in agreement with everything a candidate stands for; but with my number one concern safety, I don't think there is any way I'd feel more comfortable with any of the others than with Bush (or any Republican for that matter).
 

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I didn't say I feel safer now. At this point, it's not a question of "do I feel safer now".

But it's more important as to how I will feel in the future.

I feel how I feel today, and that's just the way it is, regardless of how I/we got here, who's fault it is, and why.

Starting tomorrow, my personal understanding of the men involved leads me to believe that I will be safer with Republicans in office.

Am I right? Who the heck knows. Maybe I'm misinformed. But it's how I feel. I don't pretend to know politics.

Maybe I'd jaded, because liberals drive me nuts, and therefore I view all Democrats in that light.

Bush is no picnic, but he is no pansy either.
 

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i would never vote for bush, he is a horrible president....his little war w/iraq and the whole middle east is obsurd..

please put a democrat in office ...please!
 

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chanman quote:"Damn Hippies and Strays! Another good post AR182. U 2 Scott"


chanman,

thats very funny!! in my mind (whats left of it), the 60's are still alive!!

scott, i also think that's a great post.

i'm also glad that the dems have settled on kerry. he's not as bad as the others, but he is still wishy-washy on some issues & too close to teddy.
 
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