Will Liberals Learn From Greece

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Will Liberals Learn From Greece?

By Jay Ambrose

Hail Greece</SPAN>, the final denouement of the liberal project, the welfare state in all its subsidy-happy, business-stifling, nation-ruining glory and the direction in which the United States</SPAN> is headed just as fast as it can go. The evidence is not hard to find.
Just look at the federal deficit for April, a reported $82.69 billion that was four times as high as the deficit in April of 2009. An anti-recession stimulus tax cut and stimulus spending along with bailout spending obviously had something to do with what turns out to be a new record, but don't figure on this being a one-time deal that will go away when the recession goes away.

Another recent report tells of how the Congressional Budget Office has been refiguring the cost of the health-care remake and has added $115 billion to the cost over the first 10 years, meaning that the total for that period will be more than $1 trillion.
Even that $1 trillion is misleading -- we have a four-year stretch before most benefits kick in -- and the cost of the next 10 years is more likely to be something like $2.2 trillion. The craziness here is that this new entitlement comes on top of existing welfare-state entitlements -- chiefly Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- that by themselves threaten to wreck our economy minus substantial restructuring.
One huge demographic issue, as Harvard economist Jeffrey Miron reminds us in a New York Times blog site, is that life expectancy is increasing while birth rates aren't. The result: Ever fewer people are going to be paying forever more recipients in programs for the elderly. And so what happens in 20 years? Kerwhamm! Or, as David Leonhardt of the Times puts it in a front-page piece, we will have a debt that is 140 percent of gross domestic product, compared to the 115 percent debt of Greece today.
Not to worry, says Times columnist Paul Krugman. He thinks Obama will fix everything, and there you have it: eternal bliss. But, of course, most of what threatens us could and should have been fixed decades ago in ways much easier than what's available to us today, and what the Obama administration has done so far is to make everything twice as bad. It is precisely to spur us to get moving that many people every bit as sophisticated in economics as Princeton Professor Krugman are issuing their warnings.
My own solution is fairly simple - elect people like Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey. Faced with the worst deficit of any state, he has already cut billions through a spending freeze and is taking on teachers' unions and all sorts of other special interests in an effort to effect substantive, long-range reductions, saying that if the voters want to get rid of him after his state-saving work is done, so be it.
He is refusing to do what liberals want - solve all problems with the kinds of tax hikes that have already caused businesses to flee his state, shut down, reduce operations or stay away, helping to cost tens of thousands of jobs in the private sector. Liberals tend to think that major tax hikes are the most important answer on the federal level, but first off, they cannot begin to pay for entitlement increases unless exorbitant to the point of utter economic collapse, and second, they inhibit growth in even smaller doses.
You've got to hack spending. Or, in other words, you have to do what the left chiefly dreads, drastically reduce the welfare state we already have, return this society to a greater resemblance of self-reliance, support instead of cripple businesses and keep in mind what happens if you don't: Greece.
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no they will not! they want this:(

And that, my firend, is the only bright spot in this entire mess. The liberals will get the country they deserve, and it looks like it will happen sooner rather than later. It's just too bad they'll end up dragging the rest of us down in the process.
 

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Typical neoconservative spin on government spending. Demonize the lower class and blame the welfare state for ALL our budget woes.

Don't look over here. Look over there at the mud people with their hands out. It's their fault we're going broke. It's all THEIR fault!

You neocons are entertaining. I'll give ya that. :142smilie
 

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here is a idea

lets tie medicare and social security into a national lottery and internet casino gambling bill.

Use the money made to pay for the programs.

But this time the goverment is not allowed to write their fawking IOU's to bankrupt programs

its so simple really

the senior would get raises every year
 

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Typical neoconservative spin on government spending. Demonize the lower class and blame the welfare state for ALL our budget woes.

Don't look over here. Look over there at the mud people with their hands out. It's their fault we're going broke. It's all THEIR fault!

You neocons are entertaining. I'll give ya that. :142smilie


Psst That's exact same song greece and europeans were singing just a few years back. Now it's :s1:

--quite amazing how some can read--
"Just look at the federal deficit for April, a reported $82.69 billion that was four times as high as the deficit in April of 2009"-

-and attribute it to spin--must have learned that grift from Da Master. :)
 

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The United States has no chance of a short term recovery after the Bush Administration.

Psst - this is where you enter your "quit blaming the past" diatribe DTB.

This article is almost as funny as the "Obama Polarization" thread. That was a top ten dumbest.
 

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When do we stop blaming Gee Wiz?

When do we stop bailing out 3rd Toilets like Greece who for the most part think we are assholes?

I(t's going to keep happening, which country(s) is it this week?

CNBC Financial Analyst said this morning that California and then the US will reach the same fiancial mess as Greece.

Start up the printing press Mr Bernake, there still are plenty of stupid people who believe as long as you print it, it's still good.


HELLO NORTH AMERICAN UNION AND THE AMERO :nono:

Time for this Aministration to take the bull by the horns and the balls and straighten out the country.

You can't change yesterday, but you can affect today and tomorrow.
 

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We should really be blaming the fuck sticks in America who voted for a 2nd term for Bush. Its just amazing the Dems couldn't beat Bush in 04'.
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Wasnt that the election that Bush stole ?

Using his Daddys Supreme Court influence ?

cant remember

Time flys
 

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Wasnt that the election that Bush stole ?

Using his Daddys Supreme Court influence ?

cant remember

Time flys
That was 2000 Scotty, when in a close race, George W. Bush was elected President of the United States, 5 votes to 4.
 

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Greek leader considers suing American banks

Claims comments about ability to repay debt have raise borrowing costs

ATHENS, Greece - Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou declared he is not ruling out taking legal action against U.S. investment banks for their role in creating the spiraling Greek debt crisis.

:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie This shit is about as funny as Rusty and Ray in a Spelling Bee
 

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The United States has no chance of a short term recovery after the Bush Administration.

Psst - this is where you enter your "quit blaming the past" diatribe DTB.

This article is almost as funny as the "Obama Polarization" thread. That was a top ten dumbest.

I assume you are speaking for Da Base again?


Gee KC you used to respresent some side of a story--now you just use opinion as the rest--

What part of budget in 09 and 2010 we are discussing did Bush admin make--

Whose 800 billion stimulus bill was 1/3 welfare programs.

Whose answer for fixing huge deficit in social programs was adding yet another monster

Who gave the unions control of GM

and speaking of unions--

You might read this article--
The Crippling Price of Public Employee Unions
http://www.usnews.com/articles/opin...rippling-price-of-public-employee-unions.html

then read this one--
http://detnews.com/article/20100517/OPINION01/5170304/1008/Editorial--Obama-doing-labor-s-bidding

Obama doing labor's bidding

Obama showers unions with gifts that all taxpayers will have pay


The Detroit News

In Barack Obama's Washington, a union card is a gold card. The president is skewing policy to give the 12 percent of the American work force belonging to a labor union 100 percent of the advantages.
Last week was a Groundhog's Day version of Christmas morning for Big Labor. The gifts just kept on coming:
? The president's executive order kicked in "strongly encouraging" federal agencies to award government contracts to those companies whose workers either belong to a union or offer union wages and benefits. The so-called project labor agreements will make it nearly impossible for non-union construction firms to compete for contracts.
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Of course we already know YOUR answer--


IT WAS BOOOOSH
ItsNotMyFaultItsBushsFault.jpg


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When Cheney and Bush thought they were building the best empire ever..............:142smilie , history is already showing his eight years that collapsed the "empire.

How badly has the government beaten you into the ground DTB? It must be affecting you terribly, wanting to leave for a communist country and all.

You now have the lowest taxes in 60 years. You probably didn't know that either, just like the payroll tax cut you received 6 weeks into the Obama Sociialist Republic regime. Have to feel sorry for someone who wouldn't know socialism if it hit you in the head.:sadwave:
 

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KC it has it me so hard in the head I have memory loss...

What was I saying?

Socialism is for the People,, Not the Socialist
 

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When Cheney and Bush thought they were building the best empire ever..............:142smilie , history is already showing his eight years that collapsed the "empire.

How badly has the government beaten you into the ground DTB? It must be affecting you terribly, wanting to leave for a communist country and all.

You now have the lowest taxes in 60 years. You probably didn't know that either, just like the payroll tax cut you received 6 weeks into the Obama Sociialist Republic regime. Have to feel sorry for someone who wouldn't know socialism if it hit you in the head.:sadwave:
You must have been asleep when market was 14,000 / unemployment 5%--Yep and that was after taking over in recession with Enron Worldcom and others going belly up with no bailouts--then greatest man made and natural disasters-- and no blaming anyone else. You didn't see any whining like a little bitch and pointing fingers--you didn;t on Pelosi worst economy since great depression did you.

--If I get beaten down its my fault not the gov--a philosophy you and da base don't understand as the gov is directly responsible for your plight.

Claim of lowest taxes is 60 years--sounds like its coming from someone who don't pay many--I assume your taking Gumby's I won't raise your taxes one thin dime as gospel from your savior

I will probably retire somewhere besides U.S.--for anticipated tax consequences and future value of the $. Don't know how we can avoid it with masive spend and declining tax revenue.

I doubt China -as tough not be able to communicate with the population--but then again I don't need a lot chit chat

Place will meet following criteria-
It will be somewhere warm year round
stable economy and tax friendly-
-with stringent qualifications on immigrants--no bring us your tired/hungry- with their hand out

Kinda like a gated community-- but country wide :)
 

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You must have been asleep when market was 14,000 / unemployment 5%--Yep and that was after taking over in recession with Enron Worldcom and others going belly up with no bailouts--then greatest man made and natural disasters-- and no blaming anyone else. You didn't see any whining like a little bitch and pointing fingers--you didn;t on Pelosi worst economy since great depression did you.

--If I get beaten down its my fault not the gov--a philosophy you and da base don't understand as the gov is directly responsible for your plight.

Claim of lowest taxes is 60 years--sounds like its coming from someone who don't pay many--I assume your taking Gumby's I won't raise your taxes one thin dime as gospel from your savior

I will probably retire somewhere besides U.S.--for anticipated tax consequences and future value of the $. Don't know how we can avoid it with masive spend and declining tax revenue.

I doubt China -as tough not be able to communicate with the population--but then again I don't need a lot chit chat

Place will meet following criteria-
It will be somewhere warm year round
stable economy and tax friendly-
-with stringent qualifications on immigrants--no bring us your tired/hungry- with their hand out

Kinda like a gated community-- but country wide :)

Fucking classic thanks for the laugh.
 
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