Worst committee job EVER!

[ppabart]

Not sure what these guys are smoking....but shit guys, this was a joke. First, look at the Southeast bracket. That bracket is a total fucking joke compared to any of the other 3. Go line by line and the Southeast is weak compared to its counterparts.

Secondly, certain seeds are just way the fuck off. The first one that made me laugh out loud was Florida at a 2. Another complete joke is Cincy at a 6. Florida is a 4.....and Cincy belongs in the 8-9 matchup somewhere. Also, Utah State a 12??? HAhAHAHAHAHA. They are ranked in the top 25 right? So how exactly are they now "ranked" #45-48? JOKE! TOTAL JOKE!

Now....I haven't even touched on the fact that UAB and VCU don't belong in this tournament. Colorado got jobbed. Plain and simple. Va Tech.....right there with them. In fact, either Colo or Va Tach should be in ahead of Clemson too. VCU finished 4th in the damned Colonial!!! They had 6 conference losses!!!! I heard someone say this and it's a very good point.....why not let Harvard in then? Harvard is on par with VCU and UAB. Unreal.

Overall......this committee really REALLY blew it.

 

[eeeerock]

I agree.....

 

[GENO]

Gene Smith was a little pre-occupied, don't you suppose:shrug:

just thinkin outloud :142smilie

 

[Destructor D]

Saw the Utah State AD was on the selection committee and his team still has a 12 seed despite winning at St. Mary's in their bracketbuster game.

Of all the teams, Colorado baffled me the most because they have a lottery pick in Burks and they had 6 wins against the RPI top 50. They also might have done some damage given the right matchups.

 

[Mr. Poon]

agree there was some questionable seedings. You point out a good one in Utah State, Old Dominion is another that was seeded way too low.

The two possible Big East matchups in the 2nd round isn't good either. I understand with 11 teams they have to go against their rule/guideline that conference foes don't meet prior to the Regional Final, but you could have structured it so that it was a sweet 16 matchup at the earliest.

As to the whole VCU & UAB vs. the "snubs", I think Digger had a good point. Perhaps with the expanded field, coupled with the fact that it was a weak field overall for college b-ball, the committe felt compelled to ensure a couple of the extra spots went to mid-majors. Not saying that is a valid argument, just perhaps part of the reasoning for the head-scratchers.

 

[ppabart]

As to the whole VCU & UAB vs. the "snubs", I think Digger had a good point. Perhaps with the expanded field, coupled with the fact that it was a weak field overall for college b-ball, the committe felt compelled to ensure a couple of the extra spots went to mid-majors. Not saying that is a valid argument, just perhaps part of the reasoning for the head-scratchers.

I heard Digger's agrument and that's the ONLY reason there could be. And it's unfortunate because that's not a basketball reason....it's a PC reason.

4th best team in the Colonial :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[sdf]

Agree
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Fla is not a 2 seed. They were the good team in a mediocre conference.

USU is not a 12 seed. Although the top25 is a terrible indicator for seeds. Top 25 is for ESPN and that's about it. It's worthless for seeding teams. Frankly, I'd rather see USU as an 11 or 12 seed than 8 or 9 and get stuck playing a 1 or 2 in the 2nd round. So I'm OK with it I guess.

VCU shouldnt have been there.

Disagree
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UAB deserved to be in. 31 RPI and won their conference. They played some good teams on the road and had a decent non-conference schedule.

VTECH did not deserve to be there. Compared to UAB they fall short in just about every category



I think it's clear the committee used RPI heavily (go look at CU and VTech's RPI) and decided to give the mid-majors the final spots, which I think is fine. I'm surprised Harvard wasnt in over VCU.

 

[ppabart]

Disagree
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UAB deserved to be in. 31 RPI and won their conference. They played some good teams on the road and had a decent non-conference schedule.

Here is UAB's non-conf schedule:

Opponent - Opponent's Record - Result
vs. Southeast Missouri St. (10-22) Win by 22
@ Middle Tennessee St. (16-16) Win by 5
@ Arizona St. (12-19) Lose by 3
vs South Alabama (19-16) Win by 24
@ Arkansas (18-13) Win by 5
@ Troy (8-21) Win by 21
vs Jacksonville St. (5-25) Win by 6
@ Georgia (21-11) Lose by 2
vs Kent St. (23-11) Win by 16
vs Alabama A&M (13-15) Win by 18
vs Virginia Commonwealth (23-11) Win by 3
vs George Washington (17-14) Win by 35
@ Duke (30-4) Lose by 21

In Conference: 12-4 in Conference USA (Conference USA's overall RPI is 8th among conferences) They bow out in the first game they play in the conference tournament against East Carolina.


Here is Va Tech's non-conference schedule:

vs Campbell (12-19) Win by 10
@ Kansas St. (22-10) Lose by 16
@ UNC-Greensboro (7-24) Win by 22
vs Cal State Northridge* (14-18) Win by 16
vs Oklahoma St (19-13) Win by 5
vs UNLV* (24-8) Lose by 12
vs Purdue (25-7) Lose by 3
vs Penn St. (19-14) Win by 10
vs Miss St.* (17-14) Win by 31
vs St Bonaventure* (16-14) Win by 8
vs USC Upstate (5-25) Win by 11
vs Mount St Marys (11-21) Win by 61

In Conference: 9-7 in the ACC (The ACC's overall RPI is 5th among conferences). 2 wins in the conference tournament. Wins over Duke, 2 over Florida St (one in the tournament).



Maybe it's just me, but when I look at the two non-conference schdules, I see cupcakes on both. But I also see decent scheduling by Va Tech too (Kansas St, Oklahome St, UNLV, Purdue, Penn St, Miss St) 3-3 vs those teams.


I guess someone needs to explain to me where Va Tech's great deficit to to UAB is. Anyways, people can go back and forth on this all day long. It won't change anything.

 

[the addict]

Here is UAB's non-conf schedule:

Opponent - Opponent's Record - Result
vs. Southeast Missouri St. (10-22) Win by 22
@ Middle Tennessee St. (16-16) Win by 5
@ Arizona St. (12-19) Lose by 3
vs South Alabama (19-16) Win by 24
@ Arkansas (18-13) Win by 5
@ Troy (8-21) Win by 21
vs Jacksonville St. (5-25) Win by 6
@ Georgia (21-11) Lose by 2
vs Kent St. (23-11) Win by 16
vs Alabama A&M (13-15) Win by 18
vs Virginia Commonwealth (23-11) Win by 3
vs George Washington (17-14) Win by 35
@ Duke (30-4) Lose by 21

In Conference: 12-4 in Conference USA (Conference USA's overall RPI is 8th among conferences) They bow out in the first game they play in the conference tournament against East Carolina.


Here is Va Tech's non-conference schedule:

vs Campbell (12-19) Win by 10
@ Kansas St. (22-10) Lose by 16
@ UNC-Greensboro (7-24) Win by 22
vs Cal State Northridge* (14-18) Win by 16
vs Oklahoma St (19-13) Win by 5
vs UNLV* (24-8) Lose by 12
vs Purdue (25-7) Lose by 3
vs Penn St. (19-14) Win by 10
vs Miss St.* (17-14) Win by 31
vs St Bonaventure* (16-14) Win by 8
vs USC Upstate (5-25) Win by 11
vs Mount St Marys (11-21) Win by 61

In Conference: 9-7 in the ACC (The ACC's overall RPI is 5th among conferences). 2 wins in the conference tournament. Wins over Duke, 2 over Florida St (one in the tournament).



Maybe it's just me, but when I look at the two non-conference schdules, I see cupcakes on both. But I also see decent scheduling by Va Tech too (Kansas St, Oklahome St, UNLV, Purdue, Penn St, Miss St) 3-3 vs those teams.



I guess someone needs to explain to me where Va Tech's great deficit to to UAB is. Anyways, people can go back and forth on this all day long. It won't change anything.

ya i agree bart, could argue both ways. im sure the deciding factor was that UAB won their conference. I know it was the 8th best, but ACC was only the 5th best so im sure that was abig part of the decision process. Although, not real sure how the committe decided on everything so could be way wrong.

Clearly, the best win from either side was VA TECH beating Duke. UAB wins against BAMA, VCU, and Arkansas not much different from VA TECHS wins vs OK ST PSU and MISS ST considering one of UABS wins was on the road. Each had one win vs another tournament team. UAB nearly beat georgia and Zona st, but you look at VA tech and they nearly beat purdue who is much better then zona st and georgia. And your right saying they both scheduled some cupcake games. If either woulda scheduled a couple more top tier teams and won a couple of those games, they woulda made the decision much easier.

Like I said not saying either deserved it more then the other, just adding a little perspective i guess.

Bart I beleive you said it earlier, it doesnt matter how many teams make it, the first 2-4 out are going to have an argument.

I am just anxious to see if VA TECH cruises through the NIT what people will be saying then.

anyways bart, always look for your stuff, and think you add great info to the forums.

Congrats on a great wweek last week man, and enjoy the tourny :toast:

 

[the addict]

Secondly, certain seeds are just way the fuck off. The first one that made me laugh out loud was Florida at a 2. Another complete joke is Cincy at a 6. Florida is a 4.....and Cincy belongs in the 8-9 matchup somewhere. Also, Utah State a 12??? HAhAHAHAHAHA. They are ranked in the top 25 right? So how exactly are they now "ranked" #45-48? JOKE! TOTAL JOKE!

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my only problem with florida being a 2:
kentucky won the SEC tourny by beating florida and had nearly the same record, but two of their lossese came to uconn and i believe UNC which are both respectable, and also beat washington and NOTRE DAME. WHAT A SCHEDULE before even starting conference play. I realize forida won SEC regular season, but kentucky beat them 2 outta three games, and only lost by 2 at florida in the 3rd game. One was SEC champs, one was SEC tourny champs. Nearly the same record, and i thin k KENTucky had harder outta conference schedule if im not mistaken. I think it shoulda came down to head-head and kentucky was more deserving. but I guess really like I said before, if kentucky just woulda won more games wouldnt have this debate. just think they are better team.

and utah st, agree completley. How is a team ranked in nation and get a fawkin 12 seed :shrug:

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Not sure what these guys are smoking....but shit guys, this was a joke. First, look at the Southeast bracket. That bracket is a total fucking joke compared to any of the other 3. Go line by line and the Southeast is weak compared to its counterparts.

Secondly, certain seeds are just way the fuck off. The first one that made me laugh out loud was Florida at a 2. Another complete joke is Cincy at a 6. Florida is a 4.....and Cincy belongs in the 8-9 matchup somewhere. Also, Utah State a 12??? HAhAHAHAHAHA. They are ranked in the top 25 right? So how exactly are they now "ranked" #45-48? JOKE! TOTAL JOKE!

Now....I haven't even touched on the fact that UAB and VCU don't belong in this tournament. Colorado got jobbed. Plain and simple. Va Tech.....right there with them. In fact, either Colo or Va Tach should be in ahead of Clemson too. VCU finished 4th in the damned Colonial!!! They had 6 conference losses!!!! I heard someone say this and it's a very good point.....why not let Harvard in then? Harvard is on par with VCU and UAB. Unreal.

Overall......this committee really REALLY blew it.

You should apologize. :0003

 

[smax]

NO ONE BROUGHT UP THE OBVIOUS---THIS IS "BIG" MONEY AND.... THERE IS JUST A TOUCH OF SHYSTER POLITICS IN THIS PROCESS. NOW DO YOU THINK ANY OF THEM WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THIS. :nono: :nono: :00x6