wsop: raymers last hand .......

[gman2]

just got done watching the 3-hour wsop mini-marathon tonight. i would presume that episode with raymer getting bounced was last week's episode.

nonetheless, am i interpreting this correctly?

raymer has A9
other guy has 55

flop comes out KK7

raymer is first to act and goes all in.

while the other guy is pondering a call with his 55, raymer says (if i heard the audio correctly)

"i take it you dont have pocket kings"
(or something to that effect, because obviously the guy would have called instantly if he hit the flop with a king)

but my question is this--

why would raymer even make a reference to the guy having/not having a king or kings. shouldnt RAYMER be representing a king there? for christ sake, his tournament life is at stake. whoever the guy was that had the 55 should then have been able to deduce that the flop didnt hit raymer and then it was just a matter of if he (raymer) had a pocket pair better than his 55.

seems like a very amateurish tell from a world champ.

 

[Blackman]

Thought the same thing. I am by no means a card shark but I assumed the play was to represent a King if I were Raymer. Maybe he was trying some reverse psychology? Either way I thought it was a terrible way to go about that hand.

 

[The Big Tease]

It was a bad play anyways from the start......even without the tell IMO. I didnt see the hand that crippled him, but sounded like he was tilting.


If Raymer had every intention to push his chips in with that hand then he should have pushed from the start. He probably could have stolen some valuable blinds and lived to see another day. I am not sure why he would want to play out a pocket 5's hand with half of his chip stack from a short stack to begin with knowing that the rest of them are going to go in later in the hand.

 

[LuckyIrish]

I thought raymer and Ivey played really bad when they got down to a few tables,but nonetheless,just to get that far with that many people is a great accomplishment...so i take nothing away from them.
And that Aaron Kanter played like a complete fish and sucked out time and time again...unbelievable!
He knocked out Ivey with a heart on the river to get a flush after he played the hand terribly.
Why do I not get that lucky when I play?

 

[inzone]

I only saw some of it, and Kanter didnt knock out Ivey with a flush. He knocked out Ivey with pocket kings, and Ivey had pocket jacks. He was the one that crippled Raymer with a suck out. I believe Raymer had pocket Kings, and Kanter hit runner runner hearts for a flush. Raymer should have been to the final table again.

 

[White Shadow]

If Raymer wins the hand against Kanter, I firmly believe he's a back-to-back WSOP champion. He played great until his very last hand but I do have to believe he was still stewing on the Kanter hand. Phil just couldn't seem to get any good hands to play. When he finally did (J,J) he had the misfortune of someone having K,K. I didn't really think he played bad, just didn't get any cards. Matusow on the other hand.......I just don't see how he ever wins anything. He is such a putz and plays so stupid at times. I would have payed to watch Shiek bust him right in the mouth (Shiek is a dickhead also but he's the lesser of those 2 dickheads IMO).

 

[yyz]

Yeah.......hard to believe this guy could outlast over 2000 people last year, and 5000 this year...............

 

[ELVIS]

i thought raymer tried to intimidate others by talking to them and that was a mistake he made a couple of times. .....he is a former champ, but he is not a feared poker great at this point. jmo besides, how many would skip the chance to knock out the "champ".

 

[Sun Tzu]

You all seem to forget how edited all of this is. We have no real idea how well anyone played, what cards they got, etc.

They would show the Sheik guy win a hand and have over a million in chips, then next hand they show him they say "he is down to 300,000."

Raymer can hardly complain about suck outs after the way he won last year. I think he gets far too much credit as a player, but he obviously got it done and deserves respect. I am guessing, however, he is like Hellmuth, Ferguson and many others - maybe a great tournment player but the Iveys of the world would destroy them in a real size cash game.

 

[Simply In The Red]

Raymer can hardly complain about suck outs after the way he won last year. I think he gets far too much credit as a player, but he obviously got it done and deserves respect. I am guessing, however, he is like Hellmuth, Ferguson and many others - maybe a great tournment player but the Iveys of the world would destroy them in a real size cash game.

:iagree:

 

[AU2001]

Tournaments make bad players look good a lot of times, but if they get mixed up in a cash game would get detroyed.

Raymer just annoys the piss out of me with his constant blabbering and analysis. Not to mention those terrible commercials with him and moneymaker for pokerstars. "Come practice on your game with 9 other idiots who are playing with chips that mean nothing and will call any amount with jack 4...it will make you a champion."

 

[Agent 0659]

Tournaments make bad players look good a lot of times, but if they get mixed up in a cash game would get detroyed.

Raymer just annoys the piss out of me with his constant blabbering and analysis. Not to mention those terrible commercials with him and moneymaker for pokerstars. "Come practice on your game with 9 other idiots who are playing with chips that mean nothing and will call any amount with jack 4...it will make you a champion."

No chit!! Those commercials drive me fricking nuts. He has chips and cards and stuff all laid out on his kitchen table :mj07: