Classic MNF where pt sprd dont matter

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I have told many times on here on MNF where the pt spread dont matter......pick a winner...many tonight thought the NYG had it wrapped up with 11 secs to go but it seems fixed I know but...MNF holds true to its record...there will be 1-2 gms this yr that the pt spread will come into effect but at a rate of less than 15% since its existence its amazing.....I kept telling my wife in OT with a spread of 7.5 Dallas wins no questions asked....of course I had to explain to her why...and she was cheering against me LMAO....its weird I know but MNF holds true again on the pt sprd...PICK A WINNER...dont worry about the spread....this yr 2-0

GL guys
 
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That "no spread" theory is very interesting for MNF. Amazing that it keeps on hitting....amazing. I gotta keep that chit in mind next week.

I wish someone had some stats that went back a few years on that theory....anyone....anyone....Bueller.....Bueller?????
 

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MNF is the worst game, college or pro, to bet on every week.

At least in my experiences.

Not if you bet contrarian. If you like faves and seemingly obvious overs, MNF will take your $$ often.
 

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If this theory is true, I wonder if you were to bet money line dogs on MNF if you would produce a profit during a season??
 

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With no statistical data backing me up, I'd say you definitely would. If you bet the dog ML in the first two weeks you'd be doing pretty well, that's for sure.
 

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Alright, I've said this before, but I'll repeat it...the spread makes ALL the difference.

Now, I don't know if 15% is accurate for MNF, but I will assume it is, since the spread has only mattered for 16% of ALL games over the past 5 years. So that's not much variance. MNF is really no different than any other game apparently.

BUT...and this is what everyone forgets or doesn't realize...dogs have won OUTRIGHT in the same period 37.5% of the time. Add that "insignificant" 16% of the time where the dog covers but doesn't win, and you've got dogs covering the spread 53.5% of the time.

It makes a hell of a difference!!! It tilts everything in favor of the dogs, doesn't it?
 

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Last year would have made money Dogs went 7-10 based on the spreads I'm getting from covers.com. Dont have the exact moneylines but there was 9,7 and 6 point dogs that won would easily make up for the three games under .500 record.
 

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The 2001 season would have been 4-12 but would have hit Tampa as a 10 point dog. So overal probably would have been down that much.
 

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JEFF said:
Not if you bet contrarian. If you like faves and seemingly obvious overs, MNF will take your $$ often.

JEFF, I never bet *contrarian* or fade because of a consensus.

My handicapping is based on fundamental team and individual player analysis, with just a bit of situational trends and mathematical starter projections thrown in.

I would never bet on a team simply because the 'majority' of squares are on the other side. In the past five years Ive almost completely stopped using that as even a reference tool. Yes, Vegas and the books put the lines out to make money but when Im putting my dollars on the table - there are things I need to know.

The cohension and health of the offensive line, the attitude/intensity of the week's practice, the coaches late week press conference quotes, injury reports, skill position starters, defensive schemes, etc.


Basically, If I sit down and handicap a game for a few hours and come up with a line of Rutgers -13 over Army, then I find out that the squares over at ********* are 77% on Rutgers -7 it doesnt affect my decision. Ive done my homework. Never ever would I go back on my own analysis and play Army simply based on contrarian.

Some gamblers use that {consensus} as one of their initial methods of "cappin' ". I believe there are pages up here under Nolans writeups that subscribe to fading the public as their primary means of analysis. Thats fine and good. There are also folks simulating a 49.99 game on XBOX , and yet another capper who picks based on what milkbone his doggie eats. No offense, do what works for you. To each their own.



I will continue to handicap based on what has gotten me here - knowledge.

This past weekend Im sitting at the smoke filled sports bar getting ready for the one o'clock starts - its 12:50 and this guy walks up to me asking me "Who do you like?" He's not asking for small talk he wants to get a quick pick and call in his local for a bill or two. "Who's your team today?", I ask. "Cleveland at home, they shouda beat Indy last week!"

"Name two starters on the Browns offensive line." I ask.

"Huh?" he looks at me puzzled.

"If you cant answer that, you dont need to be betting anything serious on the game. For what its worth, Im not touching the side or total in this game, but I do have a nice prop on Jamal Lewis over 92' yards rushing." I bought him a beer after the first play of the game.




Getting back to the topic, MNF continues to be one of the most difficult games to handicap IMO.

Last night as example, either team could have come away with a win. There were several questionable calls on both sides including that late phantom 2nd pass interference call which let NY tie the game. That kickoff took an awkward bounce and if that doesnt go OOB, Dallas loses. A kicker who was 0-1 in week one missing a chip shot ends up tied for ALL TIME with seven FGs the next week. Some would make the statement that the OVER was an easy winner but with two defensive returns for TDs in the first half, who is to say how much that impacted the tempo and playcalling later on. Collins goes 7/20 FH and ends up chunking like 45 passes.

Great game to watch, probably one of the better MNF games this year. As for betting on, I'll pass.
 

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Thanks for the info guys.

Monster, good to see you. If you are the same guy, I believe we did the Hilton contest together a few years ago???
 

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IX_Bender said:

"Name two starters on the Browns offensive line." I ask.

"Huh?" he looks at me puzzled.

"If you cant answer that, you dont need to be betting anything serious on the game.


Names don't mean shit.....numbers do!

(And not the ones on their backs!)
 

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I think you have the analysis pretty much nailed. The idea that you can ignore the spread is really a sucker position.

The spread makes ALL the difference in the long run, and the long run is what betting is.

People who say "ONLY 15%" or whatever are simply kidding themselves. Vegas slots and Vegas resort hotels are built on a house take of "only" 6%.

That 15% (or whatever) will KILL YOU in the long run. Don't stop preaching! Even if NO ONE wants to listen. LOL. :rolleyes:
 

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Sorry to be intrusive, but...

Sorry to be intrusive, but...

Let me add a clarification to the above remarks.

If one follows the "pick a winner" theory, then bettors are almost always going to pick the fav (and rightly so). So they will win SU most of the time, as expected.

HOWEVER, as GM points out, the dogs will win (let us suppose) about 37% of the time. Add to this the 15% of the time that the spread comes into the picture (always in favor of the dogs) and you have a DOG win rate of about 52% or whatever.

In short, you are going to lose your bankroll (in the long run) if you follow the "pick a winner" theory.

Q.E.D. :p
 

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Yep, same guy. Did you use a different User ID back then, It was a few years ago and I can only remember a few Id's that were not yours.

Anyways always good to hear from someone back in the early days when I was a more active poster.:)
 
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