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[Mr Hockey]

Scott: Your comment on WSU/Georgia just shows how you clearly don't know what you're talking about. WSU is OVERRATED! They have 3 losses & only one was to a quality team! Georgia having 3 possible losses would be in another world compared to WSU & would be favored by a good # over WSU. The drugs you smoke must be the best out there.

Stay High!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Scott4USC]

come on, SCOTT! you're pissing people off. that's enough!

Is it because I am proving people wrong? I was told the SEC is vastly superior to the Pac 10 conference. So I decided to have some fun and prove them wrong with my post.

I have never on madjacks called people out, make threats, or act immaturely. All my posts have been respectfull and I don't understand why "some" people feel threatened from my posts.

I sent you e-mail madjack for an explanation for your comment, please reply. Thanks.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[z2000]

Looks like someone has comeup with a playoff solution:

www.bcs-sucks.com

 

[Mr Hockey]

Is it because I am proving people wrong? I was told the SEC is vastly superior to the Pac 10 conference. So I decided to have some fun and prove them wrong with my post.

I have never on madjacks called people out, make threats, or act immaturely. All my posts have been respectfull and I don't understand why "some" people feel threatened from my posts.

I sent you e-mail madjack for an explanation for your comment, please reply. Thanks.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This season which is what is being discussed, the SEC is clearly superior. How many titles have the Pac 10 sniffed in the last decade? How many national title contenders over the last decade? The SEC has had more & atleast can say it has one. I'm usually one who defends the Pac 10 but this year I can't.

 

[MadJack]

scott,

this just doesn't belong in the handicapping forums and i'll move them all here along with the bitching and fighting.

 

[bbk]

no one is threatened by you scott; we just dont like homers that clog up threads

 

[z2000]

Scott-

I really think you miss the point of people's posts & just spin/argue it to say the same thing over & over again. Im very interested in USC football since I graduated from SC in 92. I dont get to go to the home games since I live in the midwest, but I am a member of Cardinal & Gold & have been to Colorado, Orange Bowl, Auburn & Notre Dame. I will be at the Sugar Bowl or Rose Bowl regardless of what happens.

This is my view on the PAC 10. The PAC 10 has been a solid football conference. Your stats are nice examples of the parity of the league & the strength in the past of all the various schools in the conference.

The problem that I think we are seeing this year & will be even more pronounced next year is in regards to what you have been posting. The majority of the talent that feeds the PAC 10 schools is from CA & the west coast.

The domination that PC has developed on the recruiting end is weakening the other schools. PC is selecting who he wants & other PAC 10 schools are picking what he doesnt want. This is beginning to remove the parity that we have seen over the last 10 years & making it so that other than SC, there are mediocre teams in the conference. It is a double edged sword. We need the conference to be strong, but we want all the talent.

The PAC is down this year. You just have to face facts & let the chips lie where they may.

If LSU goes to the Sugar Bowl, I will be very disappointed, but I dont see a team that isnt as good as USC, I see a team that is just as deserving (if not more).

 

[gjn23]

Am I the only one here who agrees with Scott?
WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE.

The SEC is, and always has been, overrated. Good teams in the SEC? yes. Great teams? who knows they never play anybody. I think of Tenessee and who do they play? Florida, and the past two years Miami and then the dregs of the SEC. Always losing once or twice early, then somehow ending up 9-2, 10-1 in a new years day bowl, why???? kentucky, vandy, some other SEC Pig to end the year. Same applies to almost everybody good in that conference, they RARELY travel to play anybody from a Big Time Conference.

Don't get me wrong, the Pac-10 is down this year, LSU is just as good as SC. but on the whole as a conference the sec and pac-10 are equals, sorry to dissappoint you east coast people but that is a FACT.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Am I the only one here who agrees with Scott?
WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE.

The SEC is, and always has been, overrated. Good teams in the SEC? yes. Great teams? who knows they never play anybody. I think of Tenessee and who do they play? Florida, and the past two years Miami and then the dregs of the SEC. Always losing once or twice early, then somehow ending up 9-2, 10-1 in a new years day bowl, why???? kentucky, vandy, some other SEC Pig to end the year. Same applies to almost everybody good in that conference, they RARELY travel to play anybody from a Big Time Conference.

Don't get me wrong, the Pac-10 is down this year, LSU is just as good as SC. but on the whole as a conference the sec and pac-10 are equals, sorry to dissappoint you east coast people but that is a FACT.

How many national titles has the Pac 10 won in the last decade? How many teams even came close to sniffing out a title by years end in the last decade?

 

[Stuman]

Better yet, how many pac-10 teams find themselves ranked in the top 25 EVERY YEAR? :shrug:

Have the polsters been wrong about the SEC all these years? Just wondering...


One a side note - Anybody know the total attendance of SEC games this year? How about the Pac 10? It's just a different animal in the good ole south.

 

[bamabuck44]

Well, I do find this somewhat interesting, I've lurked around the board for some time now, posting only on a few occasions. I personally like both USC and LSU and find that this type of debate around the country has really peeked alot of interest with alot of folks. In that light, I guess that's good, right?
Anyway, and here we go, I like Ga. in the SEC Championship game, for several reasons, and regarding USC's game, dunno, but from what I've seen, Sooners are by far the best team I've seen this year and will most likely kick whoevermoon1 they play. Good luck to all. Buck

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey
Re-read my thread and that will help explain why the Pac 10 has no NC's. Also, remember in the last 5 years, WASHINGTON and OREGON both got screwed out of the NC game. Both had great arguments to at least participate in the NC game. USC last year would have won the NC if they played an OOC schedule like most teams in the nation. USC chooses not too. RE-READ my post, its explains everything.

Stuman
Pac 10 does not find themselves in the top 25 often because they beat on each other and play tough OOC games. Results in losses and you cannot have to many losses to be ranked in the top 25.

I agree, the gameday atmosphere is intense in the SOUTH. Actually, the PAC 10 has not had much trouble playing in the South. Many teams have had trouble coming to play on the west coast. That is kind of interesting. USC I think has the nations longest home win streak (could be wrong). USC also has been averaging around 80,000 fans this year and remember, USC plays in LOS ANGELES! MANY things to do unlike some parts of the country where football is the only thing.

z2000
No i did not mis-read other peoples posts. They were saying the SEC is superior conference to the Pac 10. It is not. THis year i would say the SEC is better because the pac 10 is having down year. But what if the pac 10 did not play tough OOC games? If WSU did not schedule its first game @ND WSU would still be a top 10 BCS team and maybe a NC contender if their QB did not get injured. Think about it.

I agree, without a doubt PETE CARROLL is the best recruiter in the nation, but he is not exactly taking all the talent away from the west coast. He is taking talent across the nation as well. 2 years in row he has taken the #1 player from CO (BYERS #1 recruit in the nation), mike williams from FL, this year top LB from FL, last year #1 player from Minnesota, this year TOP WR from NY, last year the #1 qb from Lousiiana and top DL too, last year one of the best OL from texas and many more. So when he takes all these top talents across the nation, he is leaving top talent in the west for the pac 10. Washington Huskies said they are happy Carroll recruits nationally because it leaves them more CA players to recruit. Maybe you can argue he is helping the pac 10. :shrug:
I agree with you that Carroll is taking the top dogs from west coast, but remember you only can recruit 25 players max a year. This year USC only has 16 rides. I think the PAC 10 thrives on USC being nationally ranked again. WSU, USC, CAL, Oregon, OSU and UW all should be strong in the near future. Maybe ASU.

gjn23
Good post.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr Hockey]

Oregon got screwed out of the national title game. I don't recall the instance with Washington at this moment. I disagree totally though with your excuse that the Pac 10 beats up on each other & that is why more teams aren't in the top 25. The SEC has teams that beat each other every year & they still show more results & have won more over the last decade in the Pac 10 & that is a fact.


You could say USC would have, should have, could have won the title last year all they want but they weren't sniffing the title since they screwed up so let that go already. The two best teams last year were Miami Florida & Ohio State period!

 

[z2000]

Scott-

I am well aware of Carrol recruiting across the country, but you mention like 8 players over three years. Isnt that 8 out of about 60. Where do you think the other 52 came from? How many FL recruits does FSU, FL & Miami get from FL & SC got 2?

Some might argue that Mike Williams wasnt even a top recruit out of FL.

Facts are facts, Pete is branching out slightly, but he isnt setting the nation on fire. If he was, Leak would be leading SC this year & Woodley would have shored up our linebacking core.

BTW, everything I read says that SC has 21 rides this year.

 

[Rebel21]

"USC also has been averaging around 80,000 fans this year and remember, USC plays in LOS ANGELES! MANY things to do unlike some parts of the country where football is the only thing. "

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? IT SOUNDED LIKE YOUR NEXT QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE 'HAVE YOU GUYS GOT TV IN THE SOUTH YET?'...SCOTT YOU CAN SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT HOMER ALL DAY LONG, THIS IS A SPORTS DISCUSSION FORUM...BUT PLEASE DONT BE A SOCIALLY IGNORANT IDIOT AT THE SAME TIME....

Scott4USC..."Me$hawn Johnson is a Hall of Fame WR"...do you ever say anything that doesnt have USC, dumbazz undertones to it??????

 

[Scott4USC]

Leak went to Florida because Zook wrote him a letting guaranteeing him the starting job. Leak choosing FL was a blessing because USC got Booty from Louisiana. Booty as a junior in high school was better than Leak as a senior.

USC only can take 21 rides if recruits greyshirt and current players quit or take medical redshirt. I think 2-3 players are under consideration. Also, some recruits will not get accepted academically.

Your right, Williams was not a star out of FL. He was rated a 3 star recruit out of 5 stars. He only caught like 10-20 balls his senior year in high school. FL wanted to turn him into TE, and USC said you can play WR here.

Most of the players I mentioned were from last years recruiting class and this years. So essentially almost 20-25% of USC recruits are out of state. Out of state recruits are usually studs, so that means other studs playing the same position in CA are not going to be offered by USC. For example, the great RB Maurice Drew from UCLA wanted to go to USC, but USC already took 2 great CA RB's and a great RB from Colorado. So he went to UCLA where he would play. UCLA benefited from USC recruiting Lendale White from CO. 1 stud DL from LONG BEACH POLY ranked #1 DL in CA (Kevin Brown) who wanted to go to USC but USC took a DL from Louisiana instead so he went to UCLA. USC got the #1 state player of the year out of Minnesota DOM BYRD who plays TE, UCLA recieved verbal from Marcedes Lewis who was #1 TE nationally. BUt i have to think USC getting BYRD helps Lewis decide to go to UCLA (but i think he was going to UCLA anyways). Just few examples of how USC recruiting nationally could actually help the pac 10. YES USC is taking all the best talent from the west, everybody knows that, so that will hurt the pac 10 as well. I agree.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gjn23]

How many champs does the pac-10 have in the past 10 years? who cares, it's ncaa football where titles are based on voters subjectivity. Oregon and UW should have been in title games recently and SC was on par with OSU and Miami last year at the end of the season but did slip up vs Wazzu.

How many people show up at games? Yeah that determines who plays better football.

the sec and the pac-10 are BOTH elite conferences, the SEC has a built in national reputation as being "a tough conference" which is why their teams start the season at the top of ranking thus making it easier for them to make title/bcs games ( oh yeah and their weak schedules). Look at Auburn this year....If you want to compare talent levels of conf. look at the records Scott pointed out and look at the number of pros that each conference puts out. Hell even UA produced three players to the NFL last season. My guess is that you'll find the pro pipeline equal from the pac as the sec

It's ridiculous that some of you people claim as fact the the SEC is WAY better and MUCH stronger than the Pac-10.

 

[Stuman]

the SEC has a built in national reputation as being a tough conference.

I'll ask my question again: Have the polesters been wrong about the SEC all these years? So let me get this straight - The SEC has been fooling the ENTIRE NATION (except So. Cal fans) into thinking it is better than it really is over the past 30 years? Amazing! Why doesn't every conference do that? Sounds like a winner to me!

It's ridiculous that some of you people claim as fact the the SEC is WAY better and MUCH stronger than the Pac-10.

Is there something in the water over there? :weed:

Oh yea, please enlighten me as to which SEC teams have "weak schedules". There is no such thing as a "weak schedule" in the SEC, my friend. Kansas State is known for playing "weak schedules". And don't quote me USC's SOS stats for this season. That has absolutely nothing to do with the SEC's "weak schedules".

How many people show up at games? Yeah that determines who plays better football.

Please re-read my post. You won't find any claims to such. My point is that its different in the SEC and always will be. As a matter of fact, I think I prefaced that comment with "On a side note-".

and remember, USC plays in LOS ANGELES!

Los Angeles, CA population: 3,694,820
Average attendance when USC has a legitimate shot at the NC game: 80,000 :nooo:

Knoxville, TN Population: 173,890
When was the last time a UT fb game had a crowd below 100,000? Anybody know?


I need a shower after reading this thread...

 

[Mr Hockey]

How many champs does the pac-10 have in the past 10 years? who cares, it's ncaa football where titles are based on voters subjectivity. Oregon and UW should have been in title games recently and SC was on par with OSU and Miami last year at the end of the season but did slip up vs Wazzu.

How many people show up at games? Yeah that determines who plays better football.

the sec and the pac-10 are BOTH elite conferences, the SEC has a built in national reputation as being "a tough conference" which is why their teams start the season at the top of ranking thus making it easier for them to make title/bcs games ( oh yeah and their weak schedules). Look at Auburn this year....If you want to compare talent levels of conf. look at the records Scott pointed out and look at the number of pros that each conference puts out. Hell even UA produced three players to the NFL last season. My guess is that you'll find the pro pipeline equal from the pac as the sec

It's ridiculous that some of you people claim as fact the the SEC is WAY better and MUCH stronger than the Pac-10.

On the field of play the SEC has more titles then the Pac 10. I agree with you that Oregon got robbed. I was a huge defender of Oregon being in the title game. I respect the Pac 10 conference & usually defend it.

I'm fair though & don't blindly act like the Pac 10 is a quality conference this season as it clearly isn't. I don't blindly discredit anything not done by USC or the conference because it will go against my belief in something. I unlike some look at thinks objectively & when someone makes an idiotic statement, I'll call them out on it.

 

[Topdog]

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You are a hoot!! LOL!! I agree, that we do have TV down South. More than one per house, however the one in the bedroom is the HAND CRANK model. Even better than TV, is that we have NASCAR!!
Keep us laughing, and Keep it Positive, Topdog