Can somebody explain...

[dr. freeze]

AP USED to decide....NOW the BCS does

things changed....schools including USC signed onto a system to decide the championship...

and that will be decided Sunday night

better luck next year

only a sore loser would kick and scream after not getting something after she signed onto an agreement

 

[dr. freeze]

and i am sure Bob Stoops and company know they are not in the same hemisphere as USC

geez you are a moron....go climb in a hole and hide

you pollute this forum with garbage just like several others and no one can discuss objectively a game without your trash

go to your schools fansite and find some friends to have a pep rally with

 

[Avalanche]

Cie Grant

Best quote by an announcer

5 minutes in to the 2nd half on ABC TV. "The Oklahoma Sooners and LSU Tigers have one thing to be thankful for this New Years Day. That neither has to play USC because neither is even in the same hemisphere as the Trojans who are dominating arguably one of the top 3 teams in the nation!"

That sounds like PAC-10 supporter Keith Jackson to me... pandering to the largely USC audience viewing. I'll tell you IMO who really should feel thankful --- that's USC. Play the #4 team in Los Angeles (yes, that's in California) for the right to claim half of the national championship? Sounds pretty cushy to me. I'm not saying USC is not a good team... they are certainly a great team. However, I think it is lame that they can call it their half of the national championship. What if OU had lost to Baylor and won its conference game? USC would still be #3 and on the outside looking in. All the hoopla is over the fact OU didn't win the conference game and NOT that they only have one loss, just like USC and LSU.

#1 OK and #2 LSU -- much tougher road. The two best teams are in the Sugar Bowl. Take the SEC or Big 12 against the Pac 10 any day alone..... I'll say this, USC is the best team in the West. That's about it. If LSU wins, they will have played the toughest schedule in the USA, and will have beaten probably one of the best teams in a few years. On the other hand, if OU wins, they will have played the 1st or 2nd best team in the USA in their own back yard and gotten out of there with a win. Either way, a win by either LSU or OU is more impressive than USC beating Michigan in California and calling it a "national championship." If USC was REALLY in the national championship, they'd be in New Orleans and not in Pasadena.

 

[dr. freeze]

lmao...anyone taking their cues from Keith Jackson speaks for itself

would like to hear the USC fans whining and crying if they wouldda had to go up to Ann Arbor to play...would have been too much for these ears to bear

As for us OU fans...we will bring our noise right into the Superdome and if we cant win there, then so be it

we will honor LSU as champs

 

[Scott4USC]

USC is not in New Orleans because ND lost to Syracuse and Hawaii lost to Boise St at the end of the year. ALso USC is not in New Orleans because Washington ST. lost to Washington without starting QB Kegel playing. If those are reasons to keep USC out, fine. BCS has their own NC, the AP has their own. You are the guys sounding like crybabies. Go read how the system works. OU vs LSU game is the "BCS NC GAME."

Too bad majority of the fans across the country disagree with both of your arguments. I am done debating this issue because you have nothing to debate. Everything your saying is false.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!

 

[dr. freeze]

lmao..."fans across this country" agree with you huh...very truthful statement

and even if it was true, what credence do "fans across this country" have?

seems like you belong on a fan site...not a handicapping site

you are the kind of guy that people cannot stand....you lay out a prop on the first tee, everyone agrees, and then you are the guy who doesn't pay the piper when you dont win

 

[JEFF]

better luck next year

Exactly!

Everyone knows the BCS blows, but sorry, it's still the system that's in place. You knew it at the beginning of the season and you know it now. Don't try to chnge the rules late in the game because it's not fair.

And next time beat a mediocre Cal team and it won't be an issue.

 

[Scott4USC]

YOU PEOPLE SEEM TO BE MISSING THE POINT. NOBODY HAS CHANGED ANY RULES. NOBODY HAS MODIFIED THE RULES. NOBODY HAS ADDED ANY RULES. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

You people are hilarious. :lol:

 

[JEFF]

I agree with you 100% Scott. No one has changed the rules. Which is why the winner of OU-LSU is the national champion.

 

[Scott4USC]

Winner of OU-LSU is the BCS National Champion. It is in the rules. Also, all the networks are saying the winner of the OU vs LSU is the BCS National Champion.


The Tigers and Sooners are playing in the BCS, let me restate, BCS championship game, which is nothing more than a contract generated by ABC to make money.

I am not spinning this towards USC favor. This is what it is.

 

[JEFF]

The Tigers and Sooners are playing in the BCS, let me restate, BCS championship game, which is nothing more than a contract generated by ABC to make money.

... and the OFFICIAL National Championship game.

 

[gman2]

as an impartial observer, i would have to agree with what sun tzu said on the matter.

how could usc/michigan game be a "national title game" when only one team involved can win the title?

would the wolverines be champs if they won?

usc may very well be the best, but all sports have teams who "might be the best"

 

[Avalanche]

Ok Scott let me ask you this, would you USC fans have rathered:

1. Played #4 Michigan from the Big 10 (I'll give the conference a B+) in the Rose Bowl in Pasadena?

-or-

2. Play #2 Lousiana State (my conference rank A) who has played a much tougher schedule than USC and won its conference title game in Georgia against Georgia at the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans, Lousiana where USC fans are outnumbered 3-1 min?

-or-

3. Played #1 Oklahoma angry after being upset in the Big XII (conference rank A-) championship, and taking that one bad game out like USC and LSU both have, who all year looked like a mini-NFL training camp the way they dismantled opponents in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans where USC fans are outnumbered 3-1 min?

Come on, Scott. OU not winning the conference is the only reason why you have a claim to the NC at all. Otherwise, USC would have been like Oregon being left out of the NC game and Miami back in 2000.

 

[Scott4USC]

Avalanche

Your right, OU losing their last game of year allows USC to get the split NC because the AP had OU #1 (and i agreed). USC would have been shut out of the NC if OU won their last game and conference. If that did happen I would not have claimed USC as NC because of the system. I would be pissed.

USC would not have been happy playing in Rose Bowl and being shut out of Sugar. BUT since AP has USC #1, and USC prefers to play in Rose Bowl (it is the best bowl game) and against such a traditional power as Michigan, it was a great scenario for USC. Only downside is USC has to split their NC title. Oh well, the system sucks. It also sucks for LSU and OU winner because they also have to split the NC.

PAC 10 vs Big 10 in Rose Bowl is the best bowl game. USC got what they wanted and got the split NC. Would USC have accepted a bid to Sugar Bowl if they got to choose? HELL YES, only because of the system and for the chance to claim unanimous title.

Now you asked which opponent i would rather have faced. I think USC would beat either opponent. I think OU would be tougher for USC to beat than LSU. If I had to choose I would choose LSU because they, like USC, was playing their best football at the end of the year. However they almost lost to Ole Miss (USC would have won by 30pts). LSU also won their conference and OU did not. If USC beat OU (or if LSU beats OU) who cares. You beat team that just got creamed and could not win their conference. WHO CARES. A victory of LSU would mean something, just like beating Michigan meant something. Michigan, like USC and LSU, was playing the best football at the end of the year. MANY people thought Michigan could have won it all if their was a playoff system.

Now for my personal reasons, I would want LSU because I would have bet my account on USC -3 or less over LSU and would not have worried at all. USC matches up VERY VERY VERY well against LSU. I was a little worried betting 9k on USC -6.5 over Michigan, but i would not have been worried at all against LSU. I feared Michigan more than LSU.

Overall, USC came out very good and Trojan fans are happy. USC won a split NC in a rebuilding year.

YES, THIS WAS A REBUILDING YEAR AT USC.

 

[JEFF]

Delusional.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Penguinfan said it best:

"At the outset of the BCS all the coaches, writers, athletic directors, EVERYONE involved with college football, etc... agreed that the winner of the BCS championship game would be considered the National Champion, period. I dont agree, I dont like it, but thats the way it is. The winner of the Sugar bowl is the National Champion reguardless of how the coaches poll turns out. If a team in the NFL goes 16-0, wins in the divisional round of the playoffs and gets screwed be a bad call in the AFC championship game and loses nobody would call them the NFL champions because you have to win the SuperBowl to be the champs, same goes in NCAA football, you gotta win the Championship game, that is what is agreed upon. Will the best team win that game, or even play in it, well not always, but the same goes for the NFL, the best teams did not win the last 2 years as evidence by their ability not to make the playoffs the following season. The BCS is what it is and that's a bad system, but it is what is used to decide the Championship.

Penguinfan"


Every team knew the rules & setup going into this season. The official national champion for this season is the winner of the Sugar Bowl. END OF STORY.

The AP is on its own & can name any team they want champion but they are not part of the official setup with the NCAA, the BCS is & whether we like it or not, the BCS champion is the real national champion.

Networks only stop saying certain things because they want to get ratings & they will twist things around to do just that.

Scott you can go smile in joy about USC most likely picking up an AP title trophy saying they are national champions but in the end the setup is what it is & the winner of the Sugar Bowl is the true national champion.

"The BCS was established to determine the national champion for college football while maintaining and enhancing the bowl system that's nearly 100 years old. The BCS has quickly become a showcase for the sport, matching the best teams at the end of the season.

The BCS, which runs through the 2005 regular season and 2006 bowl season, consists of the Rose Bowl, Nokia Sugar Bowl, FedEx Orange Bowl and the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. Before the start of the 1998 season, those bowls joined with the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, Pacific-10 and Southeastern Conferences and the University of Notre Dame to form the BCS. Conference USA also signed on to the agreement. "

Now while I agree with Scott & many others that the BCS is bullshit, the system is in place & these conferences agreed to it so everyone must live with the fact that while the BCS system is in place, the BCS Title Game winner is the real champion.

 

[Scott4USC]

Nice post, but I, along with many others, disagree. AP and BCS are 2 seperate trophies. Neither one is better. Hoever, BCS selects its champion from a computer, the AP selects their champion from humans voting. Ummmm, interesting. I dunno how prestigious it is to be a computer champion. However, congrats to the winner of OU vs LSU, and congrats to USC on their NC Year.

USC
29 ROSE BOWL WINS
9 National Championship Trophies

What if the coaches who are "obligated" to vote the winner of OU vs LSU NC, vote USC NC. Then USC wins both. I highly doubt that to happen, but few coaches already stated they will vote USC #1. I think Holtz was one of them who coached ND
(USC RIVAL).

 

[Mr Hockey]

Many can disagree all they want but those are the facts that everyone knew & agreed to in advance. If anyone would be a paper champion, it would be the AP champion in this case since they didn't play in a real title game. It is impossible to have a title game when only one of two participants can have a shot at winning.

 

[the_fix_is_on]

Thump....

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This dead horse is done.

Nobody is going to convince the other side that they're right.
It's over.

Let the top 8 teams play in a playoff and the other 100+ teams battle it out in bowl games. That way the bowls still get to put on their parades and pomp and make money, and we have one real national champion.

 

[ctownguy]

usc is the champion of the Rose Bowl and that's it, they played the 4th ranked team and then they are supposed to be NC get real:nono:

As I stated last night before penguin and mr hockey got into it the national champion will be the winner of the sugar bowl because that is the way it is set up.

scott you are a true fan but you have your head up your ass so far if you farted you would blow your brains out

the ap poll does not, I repeat does not crown the NC in college FB and the reason why is the same reason the BCS was started in the first place. Because sports writers are so prejeduced in their votes the system had to change and that's how we got the BCs.

So until that sytem is changed live with the fact that usc is the rose bowl champ and nothing else and

THE WINNER OF THE LSU/OKLAHOMA GAME WILL BE THE NATIONAL CHAMPION OF COLLEGE FB:tongue