Taking Issue with Nick Douglas

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First, let me say that I respect Nick Douglas' ideas and work ethic. Anyone who puts forth a consistent point-of-view and backs it up deserves to be commended. That said, I take serious issue with what Nick Douglas wrote in his recent report about the Alex Rodriguez trade and the latest transgression of imbalance in major league baseball. Nick Douglas, and others can chime in, if they wish. Note that my comments will be prefaced by astricks:

DOUGLAS' COMMENTS BEGIN:

The Alex Rodriguez trade is being touted as being bad for baseball by many folks. The most common argument is how baseball?s unlevel financial playing field makes it unfair for lower revenue teams.
***This is a fact. I don't think, even you, will deny this.


In the NFL, critics say, the hard salary cap allows every team to compete because every team?s salary structure must be very similar. Personlly, I find that argument to be poppycock.
***Why? Can you imagine a Green Bay baseball team competing with the Yankees? THE BFL "got it right" when Pete Rozzell and Tex Schram designed the revenue sharing agreements in the 1960s. Furthermore, the cap ensures that the players will not totally run roughshod over this league, as they have done in the NHL and MLB. Keep in mind that in the NHL, player salaries account for 75 percent of the grss receipts. SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT! It's damn near impossible to make money in that sport as an owner, unless you own a big market team -- and even that is difficult. The comment you made is that "every team (can) compete) becasue the salary structure is similar." That's not "poppycock." That's very much a true statement, particularly if you contrast the NFL's policy versus that of MLB.


The NFL?s structure has produced good popularity for the game, but I am unconvinced that the NFL?s popularity is any greater than it would be if its competitive balance resembled baseball?s.
***You are GROSSLY underestimating the popularity of the NFL, versus baseball. The NFL is a truly "national" pastime, whereas baseball has been reduced to regional game. For example, 30 million sports fans will watch Green Bay play Oakland, despite the fact that most of them live no where close to those cities. In baseball, of Oakland plays the Brewers, no one outside those two cities, other than gamblers gives a damn. That's why NBC's "Game of the Week" and "Monday Night Baseball" were dismal failures. Unlike football, fans in other cities don't really care much about other teams. While every American male watches MNF, very few people watch basebal by comparison. One of the main reasons is the financial structure of the NFL, which allows all teams to compete.


The NFL is handicapped every year by the fact that there are no marquee teams anymore.
***You see the glass half-empty and I see it half-full. There was building resentment agaisnt the game at times when the Steelers, Cowboys, and 49ers seemed to be going through their respective dynasties. I recall lots of fan sentiment rooting AGAINST these teams, becasue they were always one TV and always in the playoffs. If there was a "super team" in the NFL on par with the Yankees, that would hurt the game of football. Just about every NFL game is a sellout (except in Phoenix) largely becasue at the start of each season, EVERY team has hope they can be the Cinderella story. I don't think marguee teams do much for the game's popularity. Hoever, marquee "players: do -- as we have seen with the retirement of Dr J, Jordan, Johnson, and Bird. The NBA is not the same league with those stars gone.


Even when a matchup like Patriots vs. Dolphins happens (success vs. superstars) its hardly the kind of must-see game that will draw large national interest.
***MNF ratings were higher than Major League Baseball's playoff games -- that's been the case for over a decade. I recall the ultimate humiliation for baseball when two seasons ago the 0-5 Dallas Cowboys played the 0-5 Washington Redskins, and that woeful MNF game outdrew the ALCS game on the opposite channel. That was big news at the time. So, what you are saying about key NFL matchups is not true. Most, if not all NFL games, garner national interst (I attribute much of this to gambling -- but that's another issue).


It is true that the playoffs and Super Bowl draw interest, but ask heavyweight boxing what a thin rope you walk when you rely on the championship to be the draw rather than the star.
***NFL regular season games saw a slight decline in ratings over the past ten years. By comparison, major league baseball games have fallen off the chart. Some of this is due to many more cable choices now than 15-20 years ago. But football has not lost nearly as many fans as football. The World Series of Baseball has struggled with ratings in recent years, also. By contrast, the Super Bowl holds 9 out of the top 10 spots on the all time TV ratings list.


In baseball, not only is the World Series a draw, but superstar teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs are draws as well.
***All of these teams are coming off huge seasons, so your comment is well-timed. But let's look at these teams in a larger time span. The Cubs have been a dismal franchise for decades and do not draw significant ratings, despite being linked to WGN with national cable presence. I don't know anyone who watches the Cubs games, unless they have money on the game (surely, Chicago is the exception). The Red Sox are a big draw in New England, but they get little or no interest beyond that region of the country. I agree that the Yankees are a big draw whereever they play and are shown, in part because of large expatriot New Yorkers living in other regions of the country.


It is true that middling franchises like my beloved Brewers sometimes pay the price. An incompetent franchise can stay bad for a period of a decade or more rather than having great players fall into its lap like the Bengals or Falcons of the NFL do. It is unforntuate for those teams, but for the sport as a whole, this situation is a healthy one.
***I don't know how you can say basebal is healthy, when 1/3 of the teams can't compete. Another third have NO MARGIN for error -- everything must go perfect for them to win. Then, there are the other third who have the money and resources. Then, there are the Yankees in the superclass of teams, which could lose half their pitching and roster and would still be a favorite to win the division (they'd quickly make up for deficiencies through trades -- where no other teams can do that). About 5-6 years ago, the Yankess were to be commended for being a TEAM, of mostly home grown athletes. I actually liked and admired this team. But they abandoned that philopsophy and are now back to "buying championships."


There will be plenty of other contending teams besides the Yankees and Red Sox this season.
***I would not say "plenty." There are the Yankees, then a subclass of decent teams which includes Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, Houston, Florida, San Franciscio, and Anaheim. The rest of the teams have NO MARGIN for error, and are longshots. Contrast this with the NFL, where probably 20 teams could potentially win the Super Bowl next season.


And, believe it or not, both teams have legitimate holes that could prevent either from even reaching the playoffs or World Series. Other teams? quest to exploit those holes and topple the Goliaths of baseball will be what makes the 2004 baseball season so much fun.
***I don't think it's fun to watch any game where my team is at a consistent DIS-ADVANTAGE. I agree that every new season brings optimism. But the anger factor towards baseball -- both players and owners -- has reached epidemic proportions. I don't think it's "fun" to be a fan of the Indians and have to watch your entire roster shipped off to New York and Boston every season. Free agency has killed this game ( irealize the courts made that horrendous decision to allow players to pimp themselves to th highest bidder every season). That would be bad enough to kill fan loyalty, but to add the fact of the horrific team imbalance, creates an hierachy that makes the sport NON-COMPETITIVE. Pretty soon, it's going to be like watching Harlem Globtrotter games.


***One more point -- when both New York teams played in the World Series (two big market marquee teams) back a few years ago, that was the LOWEST rated WS telecast of all-time. So, most fans DO NOT want to see dynasty teams and the big money makers getting all the victories and titles.


I'm sure you will have some feedback, and I look forward to it.


-- Nolan Dalla
 

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mmm some points are well made but it is also moot imo.

i will just comment on the arod deal. bottom line george will spend to win and all the others cry foul when he does. but does this gaurantee a world series. no. the yankees are marketed well and are followed by many. they have the cabbage, so the yankees should be penalized for being able to spend money in order to win. bullshit. its a free market and they take advantage of it also. but still yet smaller clubs wonder why they have no money its because they put a crappy ass team on the field and expect fans to still come. i don't think so. many owners today have no baseball knowledge what so ever. business yes, but baseball no. this is a business to a point . but you had better surround yourself with some top notch baseball people. and i'm not just talking about upper level managment or managers. the farm systems of some of these clubs are horrendous to say the least. used to be that you developed within, but not anymore. most clubs trade away the future for today and this is where the business part of the game is destroying clubs. not much emphasis on scouting and development. this why the braves thrived for so many years (farm system). i can go on about this subject for days but i think you will get my point.



baseball imo is one of the hardest sports to win a championship. you can have all the offense you want but without any decent pitching you are toast. and this where the stankees my be in trouble. their rotation is already iffy at best. they are one injury away in the rotation from having a mediocre at best rotation. and during a 162 game season one or two will get injured. this is why they play the game. as for you sox fans as long as you get to the playoffs i'll take pedro and schilling over that offense any day of the week.
 

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So, now that A-Rod is in NY.....who do you pitch to when your lineup has A-Rod......Giambi.....Jeter....Sheffield....starting to look like an all-star team......intentionally walk one batter so the next one can homer with one more runner on the bases....

How many times will the Yanks be 3 or 4 dollar favorites.....

Will the books be able to set a total high enough when they travel to the homerdome in Toronto?

Whoever called baseball "America's pastime" obviously never watched a football game....only way I can watch baseball is if I have $$$ riding on it......college, pro, or arena football keeps my interest regardless of whether or not my $$$ are at risk.....baseball good for putting me to sleep....

Guess I've watched too many baseball games where the pitcher stood around and dawdled.....good game of catch with the catcher.....occasionally shortstop or other infielder gets to throw the runner out at first base.....not enough people in action.....too much time between pitches......this is one sport where they damn well need a shot clock.....maybe this explains why baseballs ratings are so low, that 2 winless teams playing football could outdraw a MLB playoff game.....no surprise to me.....

I remember a while back on the radio there was a poll taken of the 10 or 20 most boring sports to watch on tv.....tops on the list included:

tennis
nascar
golf
bowling

can't remember the exact list.....I pretty much agreed with it.....some of the guys down at one of the local bars said "no way" when I told them about the poll and the results.....of course when they responded it was perfectly clear, probably due to the fact that there were 2 televisions in the bar.....

one was tuned into some golf tournament and the other one had some rednecks driving around for miles in circles, all they made were left turns.....can't quite remember where that track was.....hmmmmm...:rolleyes:
 

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Re: Taking Issue with Nick Douglas

Nolan Dalla said:
First, let me say that I respect Nick Douglas' ideas and work ethic. Anyone who puts forth a consistent point-of-view and backs it up deserves to be commended. That said, I take serious issue with what Nick Douglas wrote in his recent report about the Alex Rodriguez trade and the latest transgression of imbalance in major league baseball. Nick Douglas, and others can chime in, if they wish. Note that my comments will be prefaced by astricks:

DOUGLAS' COMMENTS BEGIN:

The Alex Rodriguez trade is being touted as being bad for baseball by many folks. The most common argument is how baseball?s unlevel financial playing field makes it unfair for lower revenue teams.
***This is a fact. I don't think, even you, will deny this.


In the NFL, critics say, the hard salary cap allows every team to compete because every team?s salary structure must be very similar. Personlly, I find that argument to be poppycock.
***Why? Can you imagine a Green Bay baseball team competing with the Yankees? THE BFL "got it right" when Pete Rozzell and Tex Schram designed the revenue sharing agreements in the 1960s. Furthermore, the cap ensures that the players will not totally run roughshod over this league, as they have done in the NHL and MLB. Keep in mind that in the NHL, player salaries account for 75 percent of the grss receipts. SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT! It's damn near impossible to make money in that sport as an owner, unless you own a big market team -- and even that is difficult. The comment you made is that "every team (can) compete) becasue the salary structure is similar." That's not "poppycock." That's very much a true statement, particularly if you contrast the NFL's policy versus that of MLB.


The NFL?s structure has produced good popularity for the game, but I am unconvinced that the NFL?s popularity is any greater than it would be if its competitive balance resembled baseball?s.
***You are GROSSLY underestimating the popularity of the NFL, versus baseball. The NFL is a truly "national" pastime, whereas baseball has been reduced to regional game. For example, 30 million sports fans will watch Green Bay play Oakland, despite the fact that most of them live no where close to those cities. In baseball, of Oakland plays the Brewers, no one outside those two cities, other than gamblers gives a damn. That's why NBC's "Game of the Week" and "Monday Night Baseball" were dismal failures. Unlike football, fans in other cities don't really care much about other teams. While every American male watches MNF, very few people watch basebal by comparison. One of the main reasons is the financial structure of the NFL, which allows all teams to compete.


The NFL is handicapped every year by the fact that there are no marquee teams anymore.
***You see the glass half-empty and I see it half-full. There was building resentment agaisnt the game at times when the Steelers, Cowboys, and 49ers seemed to be going through their respective dynasties. I recall lots of fan sentiment rooting AGAINST these teams, becasue they were always one TV and always in the playoffs. If there was a "super team" in the NFL on par with the Yankees, that would hurt the game of football. Just about every NFL game is a sellout (except in Phoenix) largely becasue at the start of each season, EVERY team has hope they can be the Cinderella story. I don't think marguee teams do much for the game's popularity. Hoever, marquee "players: do -- as we have seen with the retirement of Dr J, Jordan, Johnson, and Bird. The NBA is not the same league with those stars gone.


Even when a matchup like Patriots vs. Dolphins happens (success vs. superstars) its hardly the kind of must-see game that will draw large national interest.
***MNF ratings were higher than Major League Baseball's playoff games -- that's been the case for over a decade. I recall the ultimate humiliation for baseball when two seasons ago the 0-5 Dallas Cowboys played the 0-5 Washington Redskins, and that woeful MNF game outdrew the ALCS game on the opposite channel. That was big news at the time. So, what you are saying about key NFL matchups is not true. Most, if not all NFL games, garner national interst (I attribute much of this to gambling -- but that's another issue).


It is true that the playoffs and Super Bowl draw interest, but ask heavyweight boxing what a thin rope you walk when you rely on the championship to be the draw rather than the star.
***NFL regular season games saw a slight decline in ratings over the past ten years. By comparison, major league baseball games have fallen off the chart. Some of this is due to many more cable choices now than 15-20 years ago. But football has not lost nearly as many fans as football. The World Series of Baseball has struggled with ratings in recent years, also. By contrast, the Super Bowl holds 9 out of the top 10 spots on the all time TV ratings list.


In baseball, not only is the World Series a draw, but superstar teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs are draws as well.
***All of these teams are coming off huge seasons, so your comment is well-timed. But let's look at these teams in a larger time span. The Cubs have been a dismal franchise for decades and do not draw significant ratings, despite being linked to WGN with national cable presence. I don't know anyone who watches the Cubs games, unless they have money on the game (surely, Chicago is the exception). The Red Sox are a big draw in New England, but they get little or no interest beyond that region of the country. I agree that the Yankees are a big draw whereever they play and are shown, in part because of large expatriot New Yorkers living in other regions of the country.


It is true that middling franchises like my beloved Brewers sometimes pay the price. An incompetent franchise can stay bad for a period of a decade or more rather than having great players fall into its lap like the Bengals or Falcons of the NFL do. It is unforntuate for those teams, but for the sport as a whole, this situation is a healthy one.
***I don't know how you can say basebal is healthy, when 1/3 of the teams can't compete. Another third have NO MARGIN for error -- everything must go perfect for them to win. Then, there are the other third who have the money and resources. Then, there are the Yankees in the superclass of teams, which could lose half their pitching and roster and would still be a favorite to win the division (they'd quickly make up for deficiencies through trades -- where no other teams can do that). About 5-6 years ago, the Yankess were to be commended for being a TEAM, of mostly home grown athletes. I actually liked and admired this team. But they abandoned that philopsophy and are now back to "buying championships."


There will be plenty of other contending teams besides the Yankees and Red Sox this season.
***I would not say "plenty." There are the Yankees, then a subclass of decent teams which includes Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, Houston, Florida, San Franciscio, and Anaheim. The rest of the teams have NO MARGIN for error, and are longshots. Contrast this with the NFL, where probably 20 teams could potentially win the Super Bowl next season.


And, believe it or not, both teams have legitimate holes that could prevent either from even reaching the playoffs or World Series. Other teams? quest to exploit those holes and topple the Goliaths of baseball will be what makes the 2004 baseball season so much fun.
***I don't think it's fun to watch any game where my team is at a consistent DIS-ADVANTAGE. I agree that every new season brings optimism. But the anger factor towards baseball -- both players and owners -- has reached epidemic proportions. I don't think it's "fun" to be a fan of the Indians and have to watch your entire roster shipped off to New York and Boston every season. Free agency has killed this game ( irealize the courts made that horrendous decision to allow players to pimp themselves to th highest bidder every season). That would be bad enough to kill fan loyalty, but to add the fact of the horrific team imbalance, creates an hierachy that makes the sport NON-COMPETITIVE. Pretty soon, it's going to be like watching Harlem Globtrotter games.


***One more point -- when both New York teams played in the World Series (two big market marquee teams) back a few years ago, that was the LOWEST rated WS telecast of all-time. So, most fans DO NOT want to see dynasty teams and the big money makers getting all the victories and titles.


I'm sure you will have some feedback, and I look forward to it.


-- Nolan Dalla



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Re: Taking Issue with Nick Douglas

Nolan Dalla said:

***One more point -- when both New York teams played in the World Series (two big market marquee teams) back a few years ago, that was the LOWEST rated WS telecast of all-time. So, most fans DO NOT want to see dynasty teams and the big money makers getting all the victories and titles.





I think it is very hard to use this as an example of two big market teams - since they are sharing the same market. I understand that their was no juice in this series outside of New York, and because of that it is an unfair example. You are missing the entire population of the second market essentially, since in NY there are so many families/communities that have fans for both the Mets and Yanks. While of course more people watched that series in NY than if only one of the teams had made it, there is no way to say that the amount of viewers doubled because both teams were in either. As poorly as that WS drew for the networks, I think that the Yankees playing the Cubs last year would have produced huge numbers, showing some creedance to the larger market arguement.
 

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Every successful major entertainment form is based on building stars. In boxing, movies or pro wrestling it is star people. In team sports it is star teams. Look at any major surge in popularity for any sport throughout the 20th Century and you will find this to be true.

NFL parity is ultimately counterproductive to the making of superstar teams. Forcing teams to be unable to retain their star players and therefore making it nearly impossible for any dominant teams to emerge is unique to the NFL. In every other sport there may be financial realities of the free market which prevent teams from keeping their stars, but the superstar teams all manage to keep their best players. This collection of great players eventually become a great team and a star attraction is born.

Of course there are problems with a free market system. You will always have that segment of misanthropes who point the finger at wealthy teams and cry about the injustice of it all. But guess what: Life ain't fair.

People always cry and say that the Yankees have an unfair advantage because they play in New York. Do these people even realize that when Steinbrenner bought the team in 1973 he had to pay just to get Yankees games broadcast on the radio? Do they realize that the Yankees were a middling franchise at the time? Steinbrenner had the will to build that team into a winner and he did so. Now they are the marquee attraction in their sport. Everywhere they go they draw crowds.

Let's look at the marquee attractions in the other two "competitively unbalanced" sports. The Lakers were drawing less than 13,000 a game to the Forum in the early nineties and had no national TV appearances. They would not be the draw they are today if they were forced to assemble their team under the NFL's more stringent salary cap. The Red Wings have a home grown core with some great players added in. They are dominant now but people may forget how inept they were until Mike Ilitch bought the team in the 90's. The Yankees were a laughingstock in the mid-to-late eighties and early nineties but built their team from within into a winner. Both of those teams would be shedding players rather than adding them each offseason if football's ass-backwards rules were in effect.

You can go down the line to college sports, European soccer and any other major sport. Popular interest in the sport comes from marquee teams playing each other and ancillary interest in other major league matchups feeds off of that. I give the NFL some credit for having the balls to try the formula of making the league the only star and having the teams rotate as second tier stars each year. In my opinion, however, this formula will not succeed over the course of 30 years or more. I believe the public will begin to tire of middling franchises being handed players while great franchises are forcibly brought back to the pack. Only time will tell if I am right.
 

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FOOTBALL is Now on a Level Playing Field !

FOOTBALL is Now on a Level Playing Field !

Yankee fans make me sick ..LOL..sorry..LOL.

I hear them on the radio now drooling to get Vidro for second base. Why not just by back Soriano ? They have the money to do whatever they want! Yankees play with two teams every year 'cause they have so much money. The team they start with, and the new team in the middle of the year if they are in trouble when they are able to rape teams of players.

If they win, noone will give a rats ass because they bought it !

If they lose, it's all the more better. There is nothing better than watching The Yankees lose The World Series...LOL..only 'cause their fans are so obnoxious !..LOL There is nothing better also than hearing Yankee Fans crucifying the Yankee players when the Yanks lose.

AND THIS YEAR THERE WILL BE NO BETTER FEELING THAN IF, and it's an IF..THE RED SOX CAN TUMBLE THE OBNOXIOUS YANKEES!!!

HIP HIP HOORAY !!!!!!!!!!! LOL
up yours store bought yankees :thefinger

JEROME FROM MANHATTAN...can you hear me ???? :thefinger
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i agree with Nolan..i like football better now that any team has a chance to win The Super Bowl.
 
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People who whine about the Yankees "buying" titles are just clueless individuals who should be ignored.
 

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Nick,

What I find most interesting and slighty amusing is your stance on pro teams and how you want to see the "superstar/dominant" team come to fruition and how it makes the league better...


YET...

Your stance on taxing the rich is the complete opposite. Tax the rich so they can help support the lower class.


Which side of the fence are you sitting on?

Not trying to be a smart@ss or derogatroy with this, just found the difference in opinion to be rather odd.
 

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JEROME FROM MANHATTAN...can you hear me ???? :thefinger

Didn't he go out and buy an Astros hat the day they signed Petitte, and claim he's no longer a Yankee fan anymore?

His stance probably last an hour.

LOL what a clown.
 

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**AND THIS YEAR THERE WILL BE NO BETTER FEELING THAN IF, and it's an IF..THE RED SOX CAN TUMBLE THE OBNOXIOUS YANKEES!!!**

Don't hold your breath.
 

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Whoever called baseball "America's pastime" obviously never watched a football game....only way I can watch baseball is if I have $$$ riding on it......college, pro, or arena football keeps my interest regardless of whether or not my $$$ are at risk.....baseball good for putting me to sleep....


i was watchin an arena game the other day, and was practically glued to the TV, granted its all action all the time--hardly a running game to mention--which is fine! baesball however, after the first 3 or 4 innings, i'm usually looking for a reason to justify walking outta fenway outta jus plain boredom. yup, got it--seen that nice catch. decent play--lets go catch the final 3 inns on the tube (if that) and beat traffic home.

:)

like your style there marco. gonna be around this year so we can figure which games it is we wanna put that money on? hopefully, catchu later
 

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i`m probably not

i`m probably not

a good one to comment on baseball...it`s been years since i`ve actually paid any attention to it......except maybe the post season....

i live in b`more....and we stink year in and year out....our owner,class action litigator peter angelos has more money than god but he`s totally clueless...he`s run what used to be a great franchise into the ground...

i really think the endless movement of players has ruined the game....i get the fair labor practices stuff etc,etc.....doesn`t change the fact that players move from team to team so often that it`s hard to form a connection....grew up with the brooks robinson`s,frank robinson`s,boog powell`s,jim palmer`s,mike flanagan`s,scott mcgregor`s,belanger`s.......and if you look at these names,several moved to the orioles from other clubs,but a large part of their careers(at least the successful parts of their careers),were spent with one club...

i blame the league....lawyers....agents...the league has over-expanded.....the talent is ridiculously watered down...the product is bad....it`s lost it`s purity...

changing the height of the pitcher`s mound(how can you compare records from different eras....you can`t)......juicing the ball....bringing in the fences..over expansion and watering down of talent......creatine and andro(take a look at the physique`s of say,roger maris with bonds,mcguire and sosa.....a joke...)....

i have a lot more respect for the molitors and the younts of the world...if the fences were 1,000 feet,wouldn`t make any difference to these guys....

much more than the mcguire`s and the sosa`s....juice up and just have a home run hitting contest....it sucks...

guess i have to come down on marco`s side...baseball has lost it`s appeal....

of course,i`m sure many hard core gambler`s will disagree...
 
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Nick Douglas said:
NFL parity is ultimately counterproductive to the making of superstar teams. Forcing teams to be unable to retain their star players and therefore making it nearly impossible for any dominant teams to emerge is unique to the NFL.

First of all, to be able to keep and assemble a great superstar team in the NFL takes managerial and game knowledge. MLB takes money, no skill in that. Just buying yourself a ring. In the NFL the motto is "you can't buy a ring." And thats the way America wants it. In a poll done by TV Guide, a large majority of the people did not want to see the same teams from last years superbowl on again year after year. As the superbowl and regular season NFL games ratings get higher and higher baseball's keeps getting lower and lower. If MLB stays the way it is right now, they may end up in the gutter with the NHL 30 years from now.
 

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some very good posts on this topic.

first of all buying ball players doesn't guarantee winning the championship. years ago the angels were buying players like it was going out of style. but they won nothing. and as nick said in an earlier post, george also used to buy players in the mid-80's to early 90's & that produced poor results. and recently the yanks with the highest payroll lost to florida, with a payroll the was about 1/3 of the yanks. so again money doesn't guarantee a world series win.

it seems to me by putting a cap on teams payroll is against evrything that this country is about. you were always taught, in business to earn the most that you can & put some of your profits back in the business on product development & marketing your product. that is what steinbrenner (as well as boston & some others) is doing. he bought the yanks for $10 million from cbs (who had more money than george) & turned it into a $billion franchise. it seems to me that he should be lauded & not scorned.

before a salary cap is put on teams, an audit should be done on all of the owners to see how the owners spend their money. i would like to see those results.

as far as a-rod is concerned, after subtracting soriano's, boone's, & henson's salaries, the yanks really only owed about $1-2 million.
 

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before a salary cap is put on teams, an audit should be done on all of the owners to see how the owners spend their money. i would like to see those results.

cmon AR182, businesses are also taught where if NEED BE (yeah, right), to fudge the books....you really think you'd get a realistic number if you go through all the books......???
 

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tv quote:"cmon AR182, businesses are also taught where if NEED BE (yeah, right), to fudge the books....you really think you'd get a realistic number if you go through all the books......???"

of course not!!

but it would be interesting to hear their excuses.
 

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Even if the Yankees payroll is 500 million you think that
George Steinbrenner is not making money ?

Ticket sales are soaring in NY is what I read.

If he is spending 500 million George is making
a billion. Thats guaranteed. This guy don't lose money.

They will never open up the books. Even the worst
teams make a killing for the owners.

Its a sad state of affairs for baseball.

KOD
 

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one thing puzzles me,though

one thing puzzles me,though

why does the yankees acquisition of Arod guarantee anything?.......you are adding a great player....no doubt.....but you have to remember that you`ll be subtracting some pretty substantial numbers in soriano`s.....the difference shouldn`t be that staggering...possibly a defensive improvement....but,Arod will be playing out of position...


throw in the fact that the red sox appear to have better starting pitching and a very imposing line-up themselves......

i don`t believe this move guarantees anything...
 
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