Bob Woodward/60 Minutes

[StevieD]

Come on guys you need to do better than this. We need more retorts other than "That guys a communist." or "that guy is stupid." or my favorite "That guy doesn't like Bush."
I don't remember any of you Right Wingers explaining to us stupids that we would be losing hundreds of our young soldiers so many months after your Boy George stood on that air craft carrier under that sign Mission Accomplished.

 

[Turfgrass]

His records are released and have been for sometime. There is a difference between actively serving and ducking the draft as the Bush boy did. All Bush did was release papers that said he got paid. No one ever questioned the fact that he took money for his "service."

Sunday on 'Meet The Press,' John Kerry promised to release all of his military records, and even invited the press to come on down to campaign headquarters to have a look. So, on Monday morning, some enterprising news weasel did just that, and was turned away by campaign staff. Later, Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said the only records that would be made available were the ones that have already been released to the media. Huh? What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

The hypocrisy here is off the Richter scale. This is the same John Kerry that was outraged that President Bush didn't release all of his military records. The White House wound up releasing all of the president's military files, evaluations, performance sheets, pay records, and documents showing days served. During the Democratic primary, General Weasley Clark released his military records, including all of his evaluations. So the obvious question here is what is John Kerry hiding? It must be something. After all, why isn't he releasing all of his records?

It doesn't take a Yale graduate to figure this one out. Kerry's former commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Hibbard, is raising questions about the severity of the injury that Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart for. Turns out it may have just been a very tiny injury, something along the lines of a fingernail scrape. This won't look good for the Kerry campaign. After all, they've been running ad after ad pumping up Kerry's service in Vietnam. You do know Kerry served in Vietnam, don't you? It's bad PR for the Democrats if sKerry has mischaracterized his military service.

There are probably other embarrassing revelations in the records as well, which is why the Kerry campaign is selectively releasing them. The Democrats made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. After demanding for days that everybody else release their records, now they're not doing the same.

The question is, will the media be as outraged about Kerry as they were about Bush? Probably not. They don't want to be too hard on their guy, you know.

 

[ctownguy]

it will be interesting to hear comments on this. Turfgrass expained much better than I did.

we're waiting:shrug: :shrug:

 

[Master Capper]

The bush Administration is by far the worst administration since the days of Herbert Hoover or Warren Harding, while there may some mistruths in the books by Woodward, Clarke and O'neil they all cannot be liars as this administration claims they are. If you watched Bush last week on national tv trying to address the press in the q and a crossfire he looked like a man caught in a the bright lights of a car, the answers he gave were mumble jumble and made no sense, only the myopic would say that they were impressed with his appearance such as Rush Limbaugh (who knows maybe he was high), but even hard core Republicans were not impressed as Luger said that Bush did nothing to help the cause with his speech. I really dont see how anyone could give this guy four more years but I really dont antipate this to be even a close race as I highly doubt Kerry will be able to do better then Gore and the amount of money Bush has to spend is just staggering, so the best thing for the country is to vote dem's or ind into the senate and house to keep Bush in check. If this doe not happen then in the final four years you are going to see Bush with the help of cong and the senate pass far reaching right wing religious laws that will severely curtail American's freedoms and he will continue to pursue legislation that favors the top 2% of the earners in the country. My biggest fear is to allow this guy to push through religous right wing agenda pieces, I dont know about anyone else but I have enjoyed the freedoms that our forefathers have died for and I do not want to squander them for once they are lost they will be difficult to ever get back and the religious right wing wants to take these rights away from you. In summary, while I feel that this administration is inept and I even long for the days of the Clinton or Reagan administrations as average is better than inept, but it is imperative that americans support the dem's or ind in the senate and house races this year to keep Bush in check for the next four years. The presidential race IMO is a lost cause as Bush will beat Kerry quite easily due to: 1) huge financial advantage, 2) incumbancy, 3) lack of character and leadership skills of Kerry and 4) fear of terrorism.

 

[ctownguy]

:liar: :liar: :bs: :142smilie :142smilie

 

[kosar]

it will be interesting to hear comments on this. Turfgrass expained much better than I did.

we're waiting:shrug: :shrug:

What kind of comments are you waiting for? He should release his records, I think. :shrug: :shrug:

 

[djv]

I am glad Woodward was able to tape his discussions with the boys. That way when they go over board trying yo call him a liar as they do everyone. He can just play those if necessary. But being the stand up guy Woodward is im sure he wont step that low. It's funny how the President likes the book. But some of his right hand men are doing all the ducking.
Kerrys military record is up. Has more info, infact hell of alot more then what we read on Bush. Of course Bush didn't do much. In fact If i remember right he never left the country.

 

[kosar]

Of course Bush didn't do much. In fact If i remember right he never left the country.

I wouldn't go that far, DJV. Nobody really knows where he went during the period when he was AWOL. It's altogether possible that he went to France on vacation or something.

 

[ctownguy]

you think he should

There couldn't be a more on point comparison of a political situation and how it is being handled by each perspective camp and by the nat'l media.

Now in Bush's case the press hounded the bush administration everyday with stories on all the major networks and interviews with former men who served with bush, even interviewing them at their homes, from all over the country.

Now kerry is in the smae situation and by his own words, stated on Meet the Press on nbc that ALL HIS MILITARY RECORDS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. now his camp is not releasing any more than has already been released and like turf said his commanding officier is skeptical about his medals.

WHERE'S THE NAT'L LIBERAL MEDIA ON THIS abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, msnbc, and all the rest. :shrug: :shrug:

NOWHERE BECAUSE THESE ASSHOLES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN LIBERAL MOUTHPIECES AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HURT THEIR BOY:nono:

Yea keep telling me there is no liberal bias, what a joke.

 

[djv]

CTG it's easy. If there was this big liberial bias. Well we never would have a republican elected. The press would just bound away till everyone believe the republican was a nut case. And yes the American people whould buy in. They do now to some of these stupid adds that are half lies.

 

[Turfgrass]

I am glad Woodward was able to tape his discussions with the boys. That way when they go over board trying yo call him a liar as they do everyone. He can just play those if necessary. But being the stand up guy Woodward is im sure he wont step that low. It's funny how the President likes the book. But some of his right hand men are doing all the ducking.
Kerrys military record is up. Has more info, infact hell of alot more then what we read on Bush. Of course Bush didn't do much. In fact If i remember right he never left the country.

The problem is not entirely Bob's Book.

The problem lies in the fact that Kerry can not campaign honestly. sKerry keeps saying that in Bob Woodward?s book tells us that gas supplies and prices in America are tied to the American election.

And if, as Bob Woodward reports, it is true that gas supplies and prices in America are tied to the American election, then tied to a secret White House deal, that is outrageous and unacceptable to the American people.

Trouble is, Bob Woodward said no such thing .. and, of course, Kerry knows it. Woodward, appearing on Larry King Live, said "It's two sentences, and I don't say there is a secret deal or any collaboration on this."

So .. Kerry quotes Woodward as saying that there was a secret deal. Woodward himself says that he never made any claim that there was a secret deal.

Kerry then says he's going to stand by his position. The very man he quoted said that Kerry's statements aren't accurate, and Kerry sticks with them?

How blatantly dishonest can you be? I guess we're going to find out as this campaign continues to unfold.

 

[StevieD]

Wasn't alot of Bushes records destroyed in a "fire?" All they got was his pay stubs. The crooked coward got paid, no one questioned that. Oh yeah, I forgot, one guy says he remembers him. Kerry has been a Senator for years. If there was any question about his military service it would have come out before now. This is just another Bush, Cheney smoke screen to try to cover the blood on their hands from this stupid, useless war in Iraq. Not the war on terror that we were promised but a personal grudge and a windfall for Halliburton. The longer this felony goes on the more lies he tells.

 

[ctownguy]

Stevie you are the epitome of the classic left wing soldier, you never directly answer the question, why is the nat'l media not covering like the bush records and why isn't kerry turning them over LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD ON NAT'L TV ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION JERK ala john macenroe sp

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"My biggest fear is to allow this guy to push through religous right wing agenda pieces, I dont know about anyone else but I have enjoyed the freedoms that our forefathers have died for and I do not want to squander them for once they are lost they will be difficult to ever get back and the religious right wing wants to take these rights away from you."

MC Could you elabaroate on which freedoms our forefathers died for that the right wing want to take away that concerns you.

Would it be --In god we trust. The pledge of allegiance--words like founding fathers,snowman and other what some consider non P.C. words we have used for decades,boyscouts in public parks. As these seem to be agendas that concern others on the left that the ACLU is so adamantly attacking

or is it rights for gays to use parks they kicked boyscouts out of--or the rights for NAMBLA to to have child porn site--or the rights for terrorists to be represented by legal council that others on left are defending.

I wasn't around when Harding and those were in office.but the worst economocal times in my day were Carter admin with huge inflation and 20% interest rates.
I can't see times being bad at all economically. Never in the history of the U.S. has the "little guy" ever had a better chance at the American dream of owning home-reducing debt ect.

so once again could you elaborate specifically what makes this the worst admin ever. I am quite curious

I do agree with your analysis of reasons on Kerry with exception of money. He just set all time record on funding
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117729,00.html

 

[ctownguy]

yea stevie baby, answer that:tongue

 

[StevieD]

CTG you have not answered one question yourself. Kerry did serve in Nam which is not what the Chicken Hawk Bush or Cheney did. Like Iraq, that was a war that we could not win. Boy George admits to agreeing with the war. Then why didn't he go fight it. Even if he did serve in the Champagne Division of The Guard, knowing full well he would not go to Nam, proves he is a hypocrit of the biggest order. Now, he has the nerve to send his hench men out on Fox and Right Wing Radio and desimate the record of a man who did serve. Deja-vu all over again as he used the same tactic with McCain.
I may not believe in this War with Iraq or with the Vietnam conflict but at least I have respect and compassion for those who served.
When Saddams statue was falling did you think that today Bush would have killed more American soldiers than before he stood under that Mission Accomplished sign?
Do you think the occupation is going good CTG? Do you think our soldiers should sit there with targets on their backs because the Commander in Chief doesn't have the balls to support them. We can blow them to kingdom come from a thousand miles away, no need to risk anymore American lives. Which is what I am concerned about, American lives, not Iraqi's or anybody else. American lives should come first and for your President to put Iraqi lives ahead of Americans is criminal.

 

[ctownguy]

UNBELIEVABLE, IT DIDN'T BOTHER YOU GUYS ON THELEFT THAT YOU HAD A DRAFT DODGER IN OFFICE FOR OVER 8 YRS, BUT STILL

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION JERK ala john macenroe sp

 

[djv]

CTG what part of stevied answer did you miss. He does not give a dam about Iraqi lifes just are GI's. I would say we all should say that. Our soldiers are not being used as soldiers but
policeman.
DTB I agree Carter was not very affective. And yes there was 18% interest rates. Since you believe as I do many times things get passed on from one Pres to the other. Lets not forget the fuel prices had started out of control when Nixon/Ford was still there. And Carter was welcomed to the WH with 12% rates. So yes he got them up another 6 points. After someone else had them up the first 6/7 points. Where Carter does shine above so many is the work he did since being Pres. And at least the guy is honest as the day is long. Did that make him a good Pres. No.

 

[StevieD]

It is easy. This is one of the few administrations to send it's soldiers into war without giving them full protetion. First off the reasons Bush gave for the War in Iraq are mostly false. No WMD. We did capture Saddam so the war should be over. But after that he decided we have have to bring democracy to a people that for the most part don't want it or are not willing to fight for it. Again, to have our soldiers on the ground as sitting ducks in a war without an exit plan is criminal. More dead durung the peace than the war is criminal.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

DJV I agree Carter was a good person and many things in his admin was not his fault concerning the economly.He was definately a man of character and principles (some I did not agree with) but found his courage and character admirable.

I just am saying that adminstration (economy wise)was worst I've been thru--but will say again I do not adhere to fact that a Pres has that much input on economy and those things he does usually does not show up till the future when heis gone.