What "facts" came out on CSPAN. A few old war mongers lied in a press conference?. As for those lying Vietnam war mongers who cares what they say. They were wrong 30 years aho and they are still wrong today. The few that actually served with him in that group of liars actually gave him good performance reviews at the time. Or didn't Sean Hannitty show those papers in his balanced coverage?
military collegues: kerry unfit to be commander in chief
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Guys it's the oldest trick in the book. Thay cant stick up for Bush and his great military record so they deflect attetion to run down the other guy. Same chit they pulled on Mc Cain in 2000. I told you they eat there own. For sure this lieing bunch that are in power right now. They give there mother up if they can say who me. It was her fault. What the hell can Bush run on now. The war he thought was over is a mess. Gas is just short of a all time high by 3/4 cents. Milk and cheese is out of site. Health care up 28% in just two years. Real earning of our workers is down last two years. Chit load of jobs lost. So they will blame that on 9/11 and Clinton. Why? They got no balls.
Edward I am waiting still waiting for reply???--I know you like spin and allegations but as always short on facts.
" I may chamge my mind on Bush after his term/terms are over.
If it can be proven he looked in tv shakes his finger at America and blantantly lies,or is convicted of pergury,disbarred or pardons 176 mostly felons when he leaves office-----I'll climb on his ass with you.
However I consider these serious character flaws amongs numerous others that are known "FACTS"---not spin or allegations.
I would be curious to see comparison of "proven flaws"as above that you have on GW--no allegations just undisputable facts as above.:
and on your comment
"You just gotta love the hypocrisy that comes out of our right wing bretheren. "
You are an attorney sworn to an oath and fundamentally preach in the innocent till proven guilty--
Yet you continue to spin unproven allegations and and support your lawyer brethern Slick despite above facts and have the nerve to call others hypocrites.
I have seen you refer to GW and family as coke addicts continueously yet I can find not one supporting piece of evidence yet Slicks brother in a convicted coke felon--before being pardoned by slick along with countless other drug convicted felons and you support him.
Lesson for today: People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
" I may chamge my mind on Bush after his term/terms are over.
If it can be proven he looked in tv shakes his finger at America and blantantly lies,or is convicted of pergury,disbarred or pardons 176 mostly felons when he leaves office-----I'll climb on his ass with you.
However I consider these serious character flaws amongs numerous others that are known "FACTS"---not spin or allegations.
I would be curious to see comparison of "proven flaws"as above that you have on GW--no allegations just undisputable facts as above.:
and on your comment
"You just gotta love the hypocrisy that comes out of our right wing bretheren. "
You are an attorney sworn to an oath and fundamentally preach in the innocent till proven guilty--
Yet you continue to spin unproven allegations and and support your lawyer brethern Slick despite above facts and have the nerve to call others hypocrites.
I have seen you refer to GW and family as coke addicts continueously yet I can find not one supporting piece of evidence yet Slicks brother in a convicted coke felon--before being pardoned by slick along with countless other drug convicted felons and you support him.
Lesson for today: People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
--and I am still waiting for one liberal to acknowledge my "defense" of GW Stevie
so I'll repeat it for the "3rd time" in this thread my question on GW defence
"I would be curious to see comparison of "proven flaws"as above that you have on GW--no allegations just undisputable facts as above.:
No disrespect intended but--- It appears as always liberals are at loss for words when the word undisputed FACT is in the context.
so I'll repeat it for the "3rd time" in this thread my question on GW defence
"I would be curious to see comparison of "proven flaws"as above that you have on GW--no allegations just undisputable facts as above.:
No disrespect intended but--- It appears as always liberals are at loss for words when the word undisputed FACT is in the context.
More of the same from you. Bush himself said he used cocaine. He said he stopped but he said he used it. But that is not the point. Everything he has done has been covered up that we can only judge him by what we see. And it is disturbing. He leads us into a war in Iraq when he should be using the money to fight terror. They knew about these prison abuses at the beginning of the year. They are only acting on them now because the pictures hit the light of day. Maybe Matty Drudge can look into it. He calls himself an investigative reporter. I think the issues of today are more important than some man juice on a young womans dress.
How did he say that. He found jesus and got sober at 40. Maybe that was Jeb. But I believe it was our guy.
DOGS THAT BARK said:
I know what ya mean, Dogs. Over the last few weeks i've asked about 10 simple, direct questions multiple times(often in response to a comment of yours) in one thread or another and they're almost always passed by (once in a while AR182 responds to a question, but that's about it.)
While there are no cum stains containing DNA on evening wear this time around, I guess you could say that certain things that a reasonable person might consider a 'fact' could be disputed by certain others because it wasn't proven in court or with DNA or whatever.
IMO, the 'fact' that it was proven that Clinton got a blow job pales in comparison to the overwhelming evidence that:
1. Bush planned this invasion before 9/11 and used 9/11 to fulfill his plans. That's sick.
2. Bush lied to the world about the premise of the invasion. How could it simply be a case of one person being so wrong about so many things?
3. Bush is attacking somebodys record in Vietnam while he took the easy way out, joined the guard, may or may not have regularly even showed up, and went AWOL.
4. Bush allowed his VP's strong connections to a company influence multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts.
5. Bush makes jokes about not finding WMD while the kids he sent over there are dying trying to find them. That's sick.
These are just a few things, off the top of my head, that I would classify as 'character flaws'. If you think that there's any reason why a reasonable person would not consider these things 'facts', i'd love to hear it.
Kosar you forgot about the job they did on Joe Wilsons wife.
You forgot about the Bin Ladens family connection with the Bush family. With There flight out of the country just two days after 9/11. Of course no one else could go anyplace. This is all real time stuff. I dont much care about 1999 anymore.
You forgot about the Bin Ladens family connection with the Bush family. With There flight out of the country just two days after 9/11. Of course no one else could go anyplace. This is all real time stuff. I dont much care about 1999 anymore.
djv said:
Yeah, I just hit on a few, DJV. There's a long list, for sure, but we'd be typing all day. Probably no longer of a list than any other president, but contrary to what some people think who apparently believe this guy has no flaws, there's a list. It's hard to understand how people are still fixated on a blow job from 5 years ago, yet won't acknowledge what's going on right now. That blow job is amazingly more important to them. Strange.
again more Clinton, you guys talk about anything beside Clinton? Last I knew the election was between Bush & Kerry, yet it always transcends to Clinton
WTF guys Kerry/Bush, that's whose running, not Clinton not blowjobs, not Nixon. Every time Clinton Clinton Clinton
what constitute facts exactly dogs?? Bush freely admits his life was a embarrassment pre 40, fueled with substance abuse.
How about in his best Alfred E Newman spooky face, "and Saddam was trying to purchase nuclear materials from Africa".
Hey at least I can see through the guys lies & deceit. I voted for him & will definitely vote against him. Cheney is a absolute joke, so is Rumsfield. How many of these ass wipes have kids serving now if this objective is so important?? Their kids, no way let everyone else do their work. Don't tell me one of those Bush daughters couldn't do any better than that scared shittless 19 year old girl from West Virginia.
Just keep saying Clinton Clinton Clinton blowjobs, makes lots of sense.
WTF guys Kerry/Bush, that's whose running, not Clinton not blowjobs, not Nixon. Every time Clinton Clinton Clinton
what constitute facts exactly dogs?? Bush freely admits his life was a embarrassment pre 40, fueled with substance abuse.
How about in his best Alfred E Newman spooky face, "and Saddam was trying to purchase nuclear materials from Africa".
Hey at least I can see through the guys lies & deceit. I voted for him & will definitely vote against him. Cheney is a absolute joke, so is Rumsfield. How many of these ass wipes have kids serving now if this objective is so important?? Their kids, no way let everyone else do their work. Don't tell me one of those Bush daughters couldn't do any better than that scared shittless 19 year old girl from West Virginia.
Just keep saying Clinton Clinton Clinton blowjobs, makes lots of sense.
I don't remember 1 reference I made to BJ's made on Clinton, I could care less. It the other facts.
At least Kosar made attempt
However I am still looking for facts vs allegations
and I'll give you a few known "facts" instead of liberal spin on your comment
"Kosar you forgot about the job they did on Joe Wilsons wife.
You forgot about the Bin Ladens family connection with the Bush family. With There flight out of the country just two days after 9/11. Of course no one else could go anyplace. This is all real time stuff. I dont much care about 1999 anymore.
1st planes were flying when they left 2nd everyone down the list from cia to including your poster boy Clarke Ok'ed and agreed on them leaving--and what do we get from the left--spin that Bush let the family go.
My main pet peeve with the left is exactly stuff like above. Do you all have any way in in your mind set to conceive the diff from facts from perceived allegations?
I can prints pages of absolute facts on Ckinton or Kerry and the above this is best you can come up with on GW
P.S. Maybe I need to start posting the unsubstantiated editorials and allegations like below so we can all play on level field----
April 16, 2004
Bin Laden Offers Truce If Kerry Elected
(2004-04-16) -- An audiotape, purportedly from al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, offers to cease attacks on the United States, and her interests abroad, if Sen. John Forbes Kerry is elected president.
"I'm offering a truce to the United States," said the voice on the tape, which unnamed experts have confirmed is probably Mr. bin Laden. "Elect the junior Senator from Massachusetts and I will treat that as tantamount to an end to hostilities against al Qaeda and her sister organizations."
A spokesman for the Kerry presidential campaign said the truce offer "demonstrates that Mr. Kerry is the only candidate who can save America from the threat of terror."
The unnamed source speculated that Mr. bin Laden would prefer to deal with Mr. Kerry because "they are both intellectuals...you know, masterminds."
At least Kosar made attempt
However I am still looking for facts vs allegations
and I'll give you a few known "facts" instead of liberal spin on your comment
"Kosar you forgot about the job they did on Joe Wilsons wife.
You forgot about the Bin Ladens family connection with the Bush family. With There flight out of the country just two days after 9/11. Of course no one else could go anyplace. This is all real time stuff. I dont much care about 1999 anymore.
1st planes were flying when they left 2nd everyone down the list from cia to including your poster boy Clarke Ok'ed and agreed on them leaving--and what do we get from the left--spin that Bush let the family go.
My main pet peeve with the left is exactly stuff like above. Do you all have any way in in your mind set to conceive the diff from facts from perceived allegations?
I can prints pages of absolute facts on Ckinton or Kerry and the above this is best you can come up with on GW
P.S. Maybe I need to start posting the unsubstantiated editorials and allegations like below so we can all play on level field----
April 16, 2004
Bin Laden Offers Truce If Kerry Elected
(2004-04-16) -- An audiotape, purportedly from al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, offers to cease attacks on the United States, and her interests abroad, if Sen. John Forbes Kerry is elected president.
"I'm offering a truce to the United States," said the voice on the tape, which unnamed experts have confirmed is probably Mr. bin Laden. "Elect the junior Senator from Massachusetts and I will treat that as tantamount to an end to hostilities against al Qaeda and her sister organizations."
A spokesman for the Kerry presidential campaign said the truce offer "demonstrates that Mr. Kerry is the only candidate who can save America from the threat of terror."
The unnamed source speculated that Mr. bin Laden would prefer to deal with Mr. Kerry because "they are both intellectuals...you know, masterminds."
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1 Clarify had plans for invation--I would assume all presidents have "plans" for invading opposition--as I sure hope wedon't wait till after the fact on countries like N Korea or are you speaking about him having plans for invasion that was his own personal vendatta. If that is case I have not seen anything remotely close to substatiated fact.
2 Clarify what the lie was for his premise of invasion--I am hoping it is WMD's but in case its not I'll give you benefitof doubt.
3 Your supporting facts he was charged with AWOL please.
Also would be curious to see any quotes you could find on Bush personally dissing Kerry's military. I have seen nothing.
4 Yes he gave it to Haliburton--name another company better (or capable)of handling the job? If memory serves me he has also called for investigations into overcharges and fined them.
Now hopefully if they are charged and convicted they don't get pardoned next term.
5 Lets impeach him-OK
2 Clarify what the lie was for his premise of invasion--I am hoping it is WMD's but in case its not I'll give you benefitof doubt.
3 Your supporting facts he was charged with AWOL please.
Also would be curious to see any quotes you could find on Bush personally dissing Kerry's military. I have seen nothing.
4 Yes he gave it to Haliburton--name another company better (or capable)of handling the job? If memory serves me he has also called for investigations into overcharges and fined them.
Now hopefully if they are charged and convicted they don't get pardoned next term.
5 Lets impeach him-OK
Do a search on the PNAC group and educate yourself on the plan.
Also find out who was in on it. It is all there.
Also find out who was in on it. It is all there.
It is indisputable that the PNAC lobbied Clinton and several senators for War with Iraq in 1998.
It is indisputable that the Pnac members included Paul Wolfowitz, DicK Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and the others I detailed above.
It is Indisputable that these men all wound up in W's cabinet.
Either George W Bush lied to the American Public and brought us to war on false pretenses or he is an absolute dumbass.
It is indisputable that the Pnac members included Paul Wolfowitz, DicK Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and the others I detailed above.
It is Indisputable that these men all wound up in W's cabinet.
Either George W Bush lied to the American Public and brought us to war on false pretenses or he is an absolute dumbass.
No matter what your side is...
No matter what your side is...
these arguements and points/counterpoints are good. The more stakeholders involved in the voting process, the better.
Honestly, I do think there are many other more capable leaders in this country that could lead this country in a better fashion. But it isn't that easy anymore. The two political parties have all the power and many won't run because of all the mud they will be pulled through.
The bottom line is that President George W. Bush is our Commander-in-Chief and despite your views, he is serving his country right now.
Senator Kerry has served his country for @ 25 years and that is very commendable also. They both have taken a tough road to be involved in politics and we should appreciate that fact.
Yes, politics will become heated and that is the way it should be. If it was boring, then nobody would care.
What really bothers me is when politicians use our most valuable asset (our sons and daughters) as campaign tools. President Bush has sent hundreds of thousands of troops in harms way for what some could consider as selfless causes. I don't know the answer to that question, but I DO UNDERSTAND, that I will continue to support those outstanding Americans efforts.
No matter what the outcome, may The United States of America prosper.
Keep up the arguements, because as we witnessed in the last election, your vote may count.
Just remember in the end, that we are still united as one
No matter what your side is...
these arguements and points/counterpoints are good. The more stakeholders involved in the voting process, the better.
Honestly, I do think there are many other more capable leaders in this country that could lead this country in a better fashion. But it isn't that easy anymore. The two political parties have all the power and many won't run because of all the mud they will be pulled through.
The bottom line is that President George W. Bush is our Commander-in-Chief and despite your views, he is serving his country right now.
Senator Kerry has served his country for @ 25 years and that is very commendable also. They both have taken a tough road to be involved in politics and we should appreciate that fact.
Yes, politics will become heated and that is the way it should be. If it was boring, then nobody would care.
What really bothers me is when politicians use our most valuable asset (our sons and daughters) as campaign tools. President Bush has sent hundreds of thousands of troops in harms way for what some could consider as selfless causes. I don't know the answer to that question, but I DO UNDERSTAND, that I will continue to support those outstanding Americans efforts.
No matter what the outcome, may The United States of America prosper.
Keep up the arguements, because as we witnessed in the last election, your vote may count.
Just remember in the end, that we are still united as one
