military collegues: kerry unfit to be commander in chief
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Kosar I may chamge my mind on Bush after his term/terms are over.
If it can be proven he looked in tv shakes his finger at America and blantantly lies,or is convicted of pergury,disbarred or pardons 176 mostly felons when he leaves office-----I'll climb on his ass with you.
However I consider these serious character flaws amongs numerous others that are known "FACTS"---not spin or allegations.
I would be curious to see comparison of "proven flaws"as above that you have on GW--no allegations just undisputable facts as above.
If it can be proven he looked in tv shakes his finger at America and blantantly lies,or is convicted of pergury,disbarred or pardons 176 mostly felons when he leaves office-----I'll climb on his ass with you.
However I consider these serious character flaws amongs numerous others that are known "FACTS"---not spin or allegations.
I would be curious to see comparison of "proven flaws"as above that you have on GW--no allegations just undisputable facts as above.
I'm thinking about this about the same way as Kosar.....
Personally I feel there is way too much time spent on trying to figure out which candidate is the bigger war hero with the bigger dick.....
If we're going to take the winner of the election and dress him up in battle fatigues and helmet, and send him out with an m-16 and a couple of grenades, then yeah, maybe we need to know which one of the two is better qualified to be the next Rambo and what thier skills are in the martial arts and use of a knife...
Are they filling out some application to be a mercenary soldier or trying to win votes to become the biggest businessman in the country.....yes, running the country is the biggest business in the USA......
Funny thing how these issues all come up in an election year....as time passes and it gets closer to election time more of this useless crap will surface.....like some boxer trying a flurry in the last seconds of a round to try to impress the judges and steal the round....
Frankly we need to know how big of a war hero they are about as much as we need to know thier skills at being a bartender.
I hope those of you who still vote don't actually let this crap blind you from picking out the candidate who might actually run this country the best......some might say that this year either choice you make will suck....
Personally I feel there is way too much time spent on trying to figure out which candidate is the bigger war hero with the bigger dick.....
If we're going to take the winner of the election and dress him up in battle fatigues and helmet, and send him out with an m-16 and a couple of grenades, then yeah, maybe we need to know which one of the two is better qualified to be the next Rambo and what thier skills are in the martial arts and use of a knife...
Are they filling out some application to be a mercenary soldier or trying to win votes to become the biggest businessman in the country.....yes, running the country is the biggest business in the USA......
Funny thing how these issues all come up in an election year....as time passes and it gets closer to election time more of this useless crap will surface.....like some boxer trying a flurry in the last seconds of a round to try to impress the judges and steal the round....
Frankly we need to know how big of a war hero they are about as much as we need to know thier skills at being a bartender.
I hope those of you who still vote don't actually let this crap blind you from picking out the candidate who might actually run this country the best......some might say that this year either choice you make will suck....
The main guy of this group is backed by the Texas republican party. He has hated Kerry since 1971 and will say so. He was a big Nixon backer in the 70's and both Bushes. So someday we will find out who even payed him.
Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
The medical description of his first wound.
By Byron York
Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have questioned the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple Hearts Kerry won in Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of Kerry's fellow veterans, have suggested that a wound suffered by Kerry in December 1968 may have made him technically eligible for a Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant serious consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart, and, along with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to leave Vietnam before his tour of duty was finished.
Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts." Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush campaign or the Republican party.)
What follows is Letson's memory, as he wrote it.
I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.
The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.
Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.
That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.
What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.
I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.
The wound was covered with a bandaid.
Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.
The medical description of his first wound.
By Byron York
Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have questioned the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple Hearts Kerry won in Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of Kerry's fellow veterans, have suggested that a wound suffered by Kerry in December 1968 may have made him technically eligible for a Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant serious consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart, and, along with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to leave Vietnam before his tour of duty was finished.
Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts." Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush campaign or the Republican party.)
What follows is Letson's memory, as he wrote it.
I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.
The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.
Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.
That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.
What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.
I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.
The wound was covered with a bandaid.
Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.
I will be 1st to agree that anyone trying to sell book has agenda from either party. However I am curious to see opinions of those that served.
Am I calling Kerry a liar Edward? I'll stick by my old adage "Show me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are"
Lets view some of the co-hearts who support Kerrys allegations back then and see if we can see a pattern
---and then think back to when I told you most of these war storys come from rear echolon or people that were not even there
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200403\POL20040303a.html
Am I calling Kerry a liar Edward? I'll stick by my old adage "Show me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are"
Lets view some of the co-hearts who support Kerrys allegations back then and see if we can see a pattern
---and then think back to when I told you most of these war storys come from rear echolon or people that were not even there
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200403\POL20040303a.html
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djv is correct, O'Neill has had a agenda and has been playing against Kerry for since 71, when he was working for Nixon.djv said:
djv is not correct, O'Neill only involvement does stem from 1971 when he would not be heard by the committe hearings to dispute kerry's lies then.
All he is doing along with all the other guys who served with the liar kerry is to get the facts out and show what a liar kerry is.
IF KERRY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE HIS SO CALLED HEROIC MILITARY SERVICE AN ISSUE, THESE GUYS WOULD HAVE NEVER CAME FORWARD. BUT SINCE HE BROUGHT THIS ALL UP AGAIN THESE GUYS SHOULD COME FORWARD AND SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
NO BIG CONSPIRACY, JUST THEM DEFENDING WITH THE TRUTH THEIR CHARACTER AND DIGNITY.
And as I also stated no coverage by the big liberal 4, man if this would have been the exact opposite and it happened about Bush, we would be having special reports all day long on this topic. Once again shows the double standard the libs have in the media.
All he is doing along with all the other guys who served with the liar kerry is to get the facts out and show what a liar kerry is.
IF KERRY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE HIS SO CALLED HEROIC MILITARY SERVICE AN ISSUE, THESE GUYS WOULD HAVE NEVER CAME FORWARD. BUT SINCE HE BROUGHT THIS ALL UP AGAIN THESE GUYS SHOULD COME FORWARD AND SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
NO BIG CONSPIRACY, JUST THEM DEFENDING WITH THE TRUTH THEIR CHARACTER AND DIGNITY.
And as I also stated no coverage by the big liberal 4, man if this would have been the exact opposite and it happened about Bush, we would be having special reports all day long on this topic. Once again shows the double standard the libs have in the media.
Well tossing, I did read it and have to say that this was explained by O'neill at the press conference even mentioning his talking with Lezar's wife and going forward against her advice because of the fact kerry was impuning their characters with lies about what really happened which I MIGHT ADD KERRY ADMITTED LYING ABOUT THIS ON MEET THE PRESS.
Ironlock had it right on and as usual djv has his head up his ass, claiming O'neil was for Nixon and the Bushes etc. Well you idiot he is a Republican, and just because he is, he still as a right to defend himself against lies by this ahole kerry.
Ironlock had it right on and as usual djv has his head up his ass, claiming O'neil was for Nixon and the Bushes etc. Well you idiot he is a Republican, and just because he is, he still as a right to defend himself against lies by this ahole kerry.
The Neo-Cons have put Kerry in the same position they put McCain in. They find themselves in the position of defending their military service. This is a great offense for a team that can't stand on it's own record. I thank God for guys like Kerry, not only because of his military record but because he had the guts to stand up and protest a war he felt was unjust. We will never know how many more kids would have died had we not had people take to the streets and force a stop to the war.
It comes as no surprise that some Neo-cons who were on the wrong side of a war 30 years ago are again on the wrong side. What is surprising is that anyone gives them any credence at all.
It comes as no surprise that some Neo-cons who were on the wrong side of a war 30 years ago are again on the wrong side. What is surprising is that anyone gives them any credence at all.
spoken like a true blue mass. kennedy brainwashed liberal. Just becasue he served, he can lie and impune others war records and we all are supposed to sit back and take it as the gospel.
Well thank goodness, these men came forward to stand up to all the liberal bias media and tell their story, you chose to believe who you want, but how can you belittle their right to tell their side of it:shrug: :nono:
Well thank goodness, these men came forward to stand up to all the liberal bias media and tell their story, you chose to believe who you want, but how can you belittle their right to tell their side of it:shrug: :nono:
I do not belittle their right to their side. I belittle their whole side and the Neo-con media that there seems to be no getting away from. These guys were on the wrong side of Vietnam and they are on the wrong side of this one. Hannitty and Rush and the rest of right wing media can yell all they want. That's America. Cheney can say that their is a reason to question Kerry's judgement based on these clowns reports. Did Kerry say we would be welcomed as liberators? Did Kerry say Mission Accomplished? No, that was the Bush and Cheney adminestration and instead of trying to discredit a service man maybe they should answer a few questions about this war they got us into under false pretenses..
Amazing, you keep coming up with neo-con media, what a joke. The right wingers finally get a objective news source and your whinning your butt off when you've had all the major news outlets for 40 years and still have them. Why are you so worried about one or two radio talk shows and fox news when you have everything else
But forget that, if the shoe was on the other foot and all these same guys came out and said bush did not serve in the National guard etc etc, you would be going crazy, but since the other way around, it's a right wing conspiracy:142smilie
You keep pointing to kerry's "service" albeit 3 months as giving him all this creditibility, what all these guys who served a hellva lot longer over there, but I guess since their republicans they have no credibility.
Tell you what, I'll believe the group that served a hellva lot longer and better than a 3 month wonder with 3 fraud medals any day.
kerry is your man and you can have him, bless you.
But forget that, if the shoe was on the other foot and all these same guys came out and said bush did not serve in the National guard etc etc, you would be going crazy, but since the other way around, it's a right wing conspiracy:142smilie
You keep pointing to kerry's "service" albeit 3 months as giving him all this creditibility, what all these guys who served a hellva lot longer over there, but I guess since their republicans they have no credibility.
Tell you what, I'll believe the group that served a hellva lot longer and better than a 3 month wonder with 3 fraud medals any day.
kerry is your man and you can have him, bless you.
You know whats really funny is the right wing clowns on this board who attack Kerry based upon the arguement "just because a guy served in Viet Nam doesn't give him any credibility....." yadda, yadda, yadda.
These are the same right wing clowns who eight years ago were brandishing about Dole's war record and screaming about how Clinton was a draft dodger. Now that the shoe is on the other foot that arguement no longer seems to hold water.
You just gotta love the hypocrisy that comes out of our right wing bretheren.
Eddie
These are the same right wing clowns who eight years ago were brandishing about Dole's war record and screaming about how Clinton was a draft dodger. Now that the shoe is on the other foot that arguement no longer seems to hold water.
You just gotta love the hypocrisy that comes out of our right wing bretheren.
Eddie
Thanks Ctown.
Now, what lies are you referring too? Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, mission accomplished, the Bush family connections with the Saudis, the connection between Iraq and terrorism and 9-11, the lies about the environment and loosening restictions on energy companys, the lies about the real reason for an invasion of Iraq, the lies about how Iraq is a threat to the security of the USA, the lies about corporate welfare, etc.
Just what lies are you referring too?
Eddie
Now, what lies are you referring too? Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, mission accomplished, the Bush family connections with the Saudis, the connection between Iraq and terrorism and 9-11, the lies about the environment and loosening restictions on energy companys, the lies about the real reason for an invasion of Iraq, the lies about how Iraq is a threat to the security of the USA, the lies about corporate welfare, etc.
Just what lies are you referring too?
Eddie
once again, typical liberal clown act, don't answer anything about your guy, becasue you know he is a lying ahole, but he is all you have.
