Koby's Situation

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Seems to be improving day by day.

Seems old girl gave it up soon to another after Koby left his marker.

Free advice from a tv lawyer:

Take what money you can and call it a day. :yup

This coming from someone who wouldn't mind seeing Koby crash. (so I could take a run at his wife :brows: )
 

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The past five weeks could not have gone much worse for the team prosecuting the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case. A court clerk mistakenly released to the media transcripts of a closed hearing involving the accuser's sexual history, and the court later posted on its website a sealed document that revealed the accuser's last name, prompting an apology from trial judge Terry Ruckriegle. Lead prosecutor Mark Hurlbert withdrew from the case. Ruckriegle ruled that certain information about the accuser's sexual history was admissible and also released a transcript revealing that Bryant's accuser received more than $17,000 from a victim-compensation fund -- which the defense spun to suggest that she had a financial motive to lie. Now, however, an aggressive move by prosecutors may shift the momentum, and even drag Shaquille O'Neal into court as a witness.

SI has learned that prosecutors plan to subpoena a 22-year-old Florida waitress who claims she was the object of unwanted sexual advances by Bryant. Prosecutors have notified Bryant's lawyers that the woman may be called as a witness at the trial, set to begin on Aug. 27 in Eagle, Colo. Her testimony might be used by the prosecution to show that aggressive sexual actions are part of Bryant's pattern of behavior. (Pamela Mackey, Bryant's lead attorney, did not respond to SI's efforts to reach her.)

According to the Florida woman and others familiar with her allegation, she was among the employees of Orlando's Planet Hollywood restaurant who worked at a private party at O'Neal's home on Thanksgiving 2002. The Lakers were in Orlando to play the Magic, and O'Neal, who owns a 26,000-square-foot house in the city's Isleworth neighborhood, hosted a team dinner.

The woman alleges that Bryant approached her and asked for her cellphone number, which she provided. Later, Bryant asked her to get him a soft drink and bring it to him outside, which she did in the presence of another man. Bryant then cornered her and groped her private parts. She says Bryant laughed as she pushed him away, and that she retreated inside O'Neal's home and called her mother. The next day, the woman says, she received a call from a man who said he was an associate of Bryant's, apologizing for Bryant's behavior.

The woman did not initially report any of this to the police. But after Bryant was charged on July 18, 2003, she saw the news conference at which he said of his accuser, "I didn't force her to do anything against her will. I am innocent." This prompted the Florida woman to call Colorado prosecutors and report her alleged encounter with Bryant. After hearing her story, according to sources in the Los Angeles D.A.'s office, investigators from L.A. teamed with Eagle prosecutors and contacted O'Neal through his agent, Perry Rogers, and told him that O'Neal could become a witness in Bryant's case. Within hours the investigators heard from David Chesnoff, a criminal defense lawyer who said he represented O'Neal. Though the investigators assured him that his client was not a suspect, Chesnoff said O'Neal would not speak with them. O'Neal could, however, be called to testify in Colorado. (Chesnoff and Rogers told SI that they could not discuss anything related to their client.)

A subpoena was required for the Florida woman because she had decided that she did not want to be a witness in a case in which the accuser has been subjected to threats and smears. Her participation is significant, though, because it could cause Bryant's lawyers to think twice before calling their client to the stand. Under Colorado rules of evidence, the Florida woman can be called as a rebuttal witness by the prosecution, now led by Ingrid Bakke and Dana Easter -- the career sex-crime prosecutors who took over for Hurlbert. John Wolfe, a Seattle lawyer who has represented a dozen pro athletes in sexual assault cases, says it leaves Bryant and his lawyers with a "Hobson's choice: If he doesn't testify, he loses the ability to tell the jury that it was consensual sex. If he does testify, he opens the door for another accuser to allege nonconsensual sexual activity."

If the Florida woman does testify, it will be up to the jurors to decide if they see meaningful similarities between Bryant's alleged behavior in Florida and Colorado. According to documents viewed by SI, the accuser in Colorado told police that the first nonconsensual act by Bryant was the groping of her private parts. When she resisted and tried to flee, according to her statement, Bryant allegedly restrained her and blocked the door to his room.

Speaking about Bryant's case last week on Z100 radio in Portland, O'Neal said his former teammate would need a jury of rappers -- "Ludacris, Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg" -- to get off. Few observers see the case as that one-sided, but Bakke and Easter may have succeeded in putting new obstacles in Bryant's path to freedom.
 

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I'm thinking the info on the girl's sexual history before and right after Koby got some puts some big time reasonable doubt into the jury's heads. The prosecution will jump on this and enlarge/expose the importance of her actions around the time when she claims to have been "tramatized". Anything the prosecution can drag out of Koby's closet after those bombs are dropped will be inconsequential.
 

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it`s pretty amazing that all this "closed transcript" information has "inadvertently" been released....multiple times...

smells to high heaven...and appears to be getting kobe closer to walking.....

i wonder why this information was inadvertently been released multiple times?

how come everyone just throws their hands in the air and says,"it`s just a mistake?"...

is this how the justice system works?...the girl`s case is screwed...and the judge apologizes?

that`s it?....

it`s an alleged rape...

some people should be fired...

another instance of celebrities and their high priced attorney`s getting over....

this is why i am so incensed at our judicial system...this girl never had a prayer...

maybe i`m missing something...i haven`t followed this all that closely.....
 
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I still don't think he raped her, and I always have thought that. However, like loophole has mentioned, I'm not there for all those hearings, and my opinion is based on not much more that my impressions of Kobe. Now, if she had accused Brian Scalabrini, I would probably believe her.
 

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i have no idea whether or not bryant is guilty or innocent...it`d be ridiculous to even opine on the matter...

but,how about a level playing field?...how about some accountability?...

i`m suspicious by nature..and this stinks...

DENVER - """In a sealed document mistakenly posted on a court Web site, the judge in the Kobe Bryant rape case said hospital tests performed on the basketball star found his accuser’s DNA — but none from an unidentified person whose DNA showed up on other evidence.


Bryant’s lawyers could use the findings at his upcoming trial to bolster their claim that the woman had sex with men other than Bryant during the week of the alleged attack. They had succeeded earlier this month in getting District Judge Terry Ruckriegle to throw out the same results on grounds that investigators didn’t have the proper court order to take Bryant to the hospital in the middle of the night.

In his filing, Ruckriegle said the prosecution does not intend to introduce the same details and he ordered both sides to reach an agreement by Friday. The woman’s attorney has denied that she had sex soon after the alleged assault.

Bryant, 25, has pleaded not guilty to felony sexual assault, saying he had consensual sex with the woman at the Vail-area resort where she worked last summer. If convicted, the Los Angeles Lakers star faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine up to $750,000.

The court order, which included the accuser’s last name, appeared Wednesday on a Web site where public filings have been posted for months as a convenience to court staff and the media. The site was shut down for about three hours to remove the document.

State courts spokeswoman Karen Salaz said the mistake stemmed from a new posting procedure and that a clerk chose the wrong document to post without a “critical safeguard” in place. The state court administrator plans to apologize to the accuser and her family and is weighing unspecified actions involving staff, Salaz said.

The posting was the latest in a string of mistakes that the accuser’s attorney, John Clune, has said prompted her to consider dropping out of the case. He declined to comment about his client’s resolve to continue her participation.

“It is inconceivable how this court can explain its continual pattern of revictimizing this 20-year-old girl,” Clune said in a written statement Wednesday. “This judge must learn that the trust that a victim places in the judiciary is the foundation for the courage that all victims must have to endure the brutal nature of rape prosecutions.”

Clune has asked Ruckriegle to halt use of the Internet and e-mail to distribute information about the case. The judge has not ruled on the request.

In September, the woman’s name was included in another filing on the Web site that was quickly removed. Last fall, the Glenwood Springs hospital where she and Bryant were examined accidentally turned over her medical records to attorneys in the case.

Last month, a court reporter accidentally e-mailed to The Associated Press and six other media groups transcripts of a closed-door hearing that dealt with aspects of the accuser’s sex life and money she received from a state victims’ compensation fund. Those transcripts are the subject of a First Amendment court fight that has gone to the Supreme Court.

Most major news organizations, including the AP, have not published the accuser’s name in keeping with a long-standing practice of not identifying alleged sex crime victims. And none of the organizations has published details from the transcripts while the court fight plays out.

Ruckriegle has threatened a contempt of court citation for any news organization that publishes details from the transcripts. None has done so, but media attorneys have challenged his order as an unconstitutional restraint of a free press.

The Colorado Supreme Court upheld the order, saying the state’s vital interest in protecting the woman’s privacy and Bryant’s right to a fair trial outweighs the media’s First Amendment rights. On Monday, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer refused to overturn Ruckriegle’s order but suggested he release an edited version, if not the entire transcript.

Media attorneys Thursday renewed their request to Breyer, saying Ruckriegle’s “lethargy” in releasing the documents was a continued violation of the First Amendment guarantees.

Widespread publication of Wednesday’s mistakenly released order demonstrates that restricting publication “is not the appropriate remedy for such governmental miscues,” they said. The published reports did not create the kind of harm to the state’s interests that might justify such restrictions, they said.(that`s bullshit....the prosecution may now fold their tent)...

“Indeed, (the news groups involved) respectfully submit that, as is so often the case, the government’s effort to impose censorship in this case has attracted far more attention to these matters than any news reports about the transcripts that might have been published a month ago and long since forgotten,” media attorney Lee Levine wrote.

Ruckriegle is expected to talk with attorneys in the case during a hearing Friday about what information should be redacted before the documents are released"""......

the media`s run amuck...they think their right to know circumvents everything...including people`s right to a fair trial...and the ineptitude of the court?.....it`s unacceptable....

god forbid that my butt ever has to depend on this circus for any reason.......

pathetic...
 
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gaedenweasel,

remember that in the majority of cases, the info inadvertently released would be public knowledge anyway. it's only because of the judge's gag order that the info is not public knowledge. so, in htis case, the alleged victim received preferential treatment not usually afforded to others in her class. didn't make much difference that her name was inadvertenly published anyway. her name has been widely known since the case was brought, the media has just declined to publish it on their own accord. that is typical in alleged rape cases.


bottom line is, this is an example of a case that would have never been brought if the defendant wasn't a public figure. as rape cases go, it's been a dead ass loser from a prosecution standpoint from day one. only an inexperienced d.a. looking for a little attention would have let it get this far. it's no coincidence that the d.a. who made the decision to bring the charges has now backed out of the case in order to put some distance between it and himself before it goes down the toilet.
 

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No doubt in my mind Bryant is guilty. People just don't bring charges like this unless the guy did it. He has a history of cheating on his wife and coming on to other white girls. All he is is a street ........ Scum of the earth and he's making all that money because he can put the rock in the hole. He should be in jail. Didnt go to college yet all those dollars. The world is really screwed up.

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loop....i don`t think you should be rationalizing this kind of ineptitude...or purposeful misconduct.......

whatever the case,the judge ruled that this info was closed and it was released not once,but multiple times.....

isn`t the judge supposed to have control over his courtroom?....and this case?....


and if that`s not the case or is unimportant,what does that say about the legal system...and the chances of average folk when they have to go up against beloved celebrities....

i`m not talking not mike tyson or michael jackson...

and what happened to the rape shield law?...only applicable if you weren`t raped by a beloved celebrity?


this is the kind of stuff that raises the hackles of joe public....unless of course he`s a mindless laker fan....


is the woman a golddigger?.....was the case a dog?....maybe....i bow to your expertise in that respect....

but the ineptitude or "mistakes" or whatever happened time and again ,troubles me......

what also troubles me is the fact that we have heard nothing from women`s groups...i mean nothing....

an alleged rape?....clarence thomas was raked over the coals for an alleged pubic hair on a coke can.....??????????

sorry for rambling....but if.....if by chance this woman is correct and she was assaulted(and apparently at least one other woman is going to come forward and allege being groped by kobe), she`s getting treated very shabbily...

admittedly,i haven`t followed this case closely...i`m gonna make an effort to read up on it..thanks for the response...
 

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eae,

your statement that people just don't bring charges like this unless the guy did it is completely misguided and misinformed. in fact, rape and kindred sexual offense have some of the highest rates of malicious and false reports. many things motivate people to make false reports of this nature - money, revenge, attention, self exoneration - just to name a few. no racism involved in that off the cuff opinion, i'm sure.
 

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gardenweasel,

not trying to make excuse for the judge's bungling, just that the alleged victim wasn't affected by it - her name was already publicly known. as far as the rape shield law, many people misunderstand the natue of such laws. rape shield laws are designed to prevent a person's sexual history from being dredged up just to use general promiscuity as a pseudo-defense. you may generally use sexual history when it is germane to the facts of the specific case, as in where a sex-rated injury might have been caused by someone else, or the victim had sex with the defendant on other occasions, or the victim had sex with another before bothering to report the rape - you get the picture.

like many defense attorneys, i was a prosecutor long before i practiced criminal defense law. i can't imagine ever signing my hame to an indictment in this case, it's just not convictable.
 

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why?.....strictly because of the allegation that she had sex soon after the alleged rape?....maybe she`s a little wacky....does that prove she wasn`t raped?...

sometimes past sexual history is relevant...sometimes it`s not....judges appear to wield way to much authority...judges that are sometimes appointed and may not be qualified...

to many gray areas as far as i`m concerned...

isn`t there some of kobe`s dna present?...along with the other dna?...some evidence of vaginal injury?

i`m asking...as i said,i haven`t read up on it...

if you don`t have time to explain why this case is such a dog,no prob...i understand...
 
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EAE said:
No doubt in my mind Bryant is guilty. People just don't bring charges like this unless the guy did it. He has a history of cheating on his wife and coming on to other white girls. All he is is a street ........ Scum of the earth and he's making all that money because he can put the rock in the hole. He should be in jail. Didnt go to college yet all those dollars. The world is really screwed up.

EAE


I think Kobe has kept his nose pretty clean since starting this career at age 18. Guess I just don't see him in the same light as you. He's not going to be convicted regardless what u or I think.
 
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