the government dropped the ball on the flu vaccine

gardenweasel

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i have to agree.....you have to provide for the public welfare...

to say that the flu vaccine should be a market driven commodity is absurd....when citizens with compromised immune systems...from cancer...disease......the elderly....the infirm...the very young are put at greater risk because a foreign company f-cked up and contaminated half the country`s supply of vaccine is unacceptable...

the government SHOULD be involved in this....

they should make sure that there is enough vaccine to go around...and if necessary,compensate drug companies if they have to take a loss....as long as there`s enough....

we do,after all,subsidize grain companies.....farmers...etc if their yield is compromised.....

this is a public health issue...the government dropped the ball here..

anyone that has an elderly parent...a young child that isn`t healthy...a brother or sister with a serious illness should agree,i would think....


and i am a bush backer in this election.... this won`t change that.....

but their attitude on the issue looks very bad,imo...
 

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OMG who cares. Half of the vaccines we got were from the U.K. and they were contaminated. Could anyone have predicted that? According to the Kerry camp this is BUSH'S FAULT!!

I like how Dick Cheney was critisized by the Kerry camp for getting a flu shot, but I guarran-fawking-tee you that once Clinton joins the campain NOTHING will be said to him about his flu shot. The democrats are slimeballs.

Again, why is this even a topic people are "all of the sudden concerned about"?? Absolutely pathetic. The liberals brought it up out of desperation and everyone knows it. :clap:
 
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garden

its just another example of how unprepared America will be if we are hit by any bio terrorism
that requires vacinations of any kind.

then what?

americans will die learning that free market lesson ? The rich will be taken care of first.
Then the middle class. Then the poor.

Hey sounds like taxes
 

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Scott ---we are talking about a flu vaccine, not anthrax
And about your rich/poor comment it's called the food chain my friend. Work hard and reap your rewards! The land of opportunity.
Although I'll bet the poor get more free handouts than the rich do. The poor gets the free handouts and the rich pay for them. They shouldn't be complaining one goddamn bit.

Getting back to the topic....it's just a desperation tactic to blame the president. It's a last gasp. :)
 
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Agree GW, could you imagine how badly this regime would drop the ball if it was actually aAnthrax or some other bio-terror strain. Figures Cheney would get the shot ahead of anyone else the guy is pure scum in everyhthing he does as I can live with GW but Cheney is just a loser.
 

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hopefully,whomever gets elected,will rectify this situation.....

this was the second year that there was shortages of the vaccine....

a society ....a compassionate and evolved society like our own can`t allow itself to just ignore the needs of it`s young,elderly,sick and infirm.....in the interests of the almighty dollar...

particularly the elderly...a generation that,imo,was a much greater generation than ours.......that fought wars for our freedom....that provided us with the greatest country on earth......

it`s ridiculous to think that 80 year old men and women should stand in line for flu shots.....sometimes being turned away.....

and what exacerbates the issue....really grates my ass...is that all these yuppy pricks on capital hill have access to the shots.....i`m not talking the old comgressmen and senators...i`m talking about their staffs...

somethings wrong here...i hope it gets fixed by next year....

it may seem trivial to those whose ox isn`t being gored here...but to someone who might lose a loved because of this...something that could and should have been considered,it`s a very sad situation....
 

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Master I just want to know why all of this just came up out of nowhere. And notice who brought it up? Did anyone give a shit about flu vaccines 2 months ago? Hell no.
 

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I'm still laughing because we are 11 days away from the election and the liberals are so desperate that they need to start blaming the Bush administration for a lack of enough flu vaccines!
Can you say DESPERATE? :142lmao:
 

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Can't believe no one has addressed the real responsibilty for vaccine shortest. Didn't you ever ask yourself why we import almost all our vaccine?? Why don't our U.S. companys manufacture it?? Anyone venture a guess??--- LITIGATION
It is too much risk here in U.S. for small profit.

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_dmn-liable_to_infection_flu.htm

By Jim Copland

The recent flu epidemic has brought to the fore a serious public health concern: the vaccine shortage in America. As flu shots must be rationed by the only two manufacturers, many are left to wonder why our vaccines are in short supply.

A partial answer? The same nefarious culprit that afflicts so much of our national economy to the detriment of our health and safety?the expansion of liability driven by Trial Lawyers Inc.

Little wonder that the five remaining vaccine manufacturers in the U.S. have had to spend more time and money defending lawsuits than researching new vaccines, and that no new entrants are rushing to enter the market.

From the early to mid-1980s, as tort litigation exploded, the number of U.S. vaccine manufacturers fell from 15 to three. In response, Congress in 1986 passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. Congress realized that vaccination was crucial to the public health but that vaccines, by their very nature, almost inevitably lead to sickness in some of the vaccinated.

So Congress took vaccines out of the courts and instead created a "no-fault" system, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, in which a compensation system awarded individuals injured by a vaccination quickly, generously and without legal hassle. Vaccine recipients retained the right to sue, but only after they had first exhausted their remedies under the no-fault administrative process.

The flood of vaccine-related litigation slowed; to date, under the no-fault system, over 1,700 families have received well over $1 billion for vaccine-related injuries and complications.

In recent years, however, the congressional safeguards have been eroded as enterprising trial lawyers have circumvented the law. How? The litigation industry's ever-creative attorneys have filed suits alleging that thimerosal, a vaccine preservative designed to prevent bacterial contamination, causes autism and other neurological disorders.

Arguing that thimerosal is "an adulterant or contaminant" rather than a vaccine component, the plaintiffs' bar has increasingly put pressure on the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in an end-run around Congress's design.

Unsurprisingly, the trial lawyers' claims about thimerosal are unsupported by scientific evidence. Thimerosal contains mercury, which in high doses can cause neurological damage; and in 1999, Environmental Protection Agency researchers concluded that, in theory, a combination of vaccines in infants could lead to blood mercury levels slightly exceeding EPA guidelines.

But subsequent research determined that, in actuality, even the highest blood mercury levels in vaccinated infants was within the EPA's hyper-cautious guidelines. No scientific study has found any link between vaccines and autism.

The World Health Organization continues to endorse the use of thimerosal as a preservative, and the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends giving flu shots to children as young as 6 months old?even though the vaccine is still made with thimerosal.

Despite the dearth of scientific evidence and opinion of the public health community, the Clinton administration in 1999 recommended that thimerosal be pulled from vaccines, and vaccine manufacturers, when possible, began to do so.

Spotting a new market, and a long-desired means to circumvent the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, Trial Lawyers Inc. rushed in. By the end of last year, over 190 thimerosal cases were pending, including at least 12 class actions. One class-action claim demanded $30 billion?that's five times the entire vaccine market itself! The tort tax on vaccines combined with government-imposed price controls makes vaccine manufacturing increasingly unprofitable and underlies the eight vaccine shortages we've seen since 2000.

The solution? Congress could begin to control the renewed vaccine litigation explosion by clarifying that vaccine additives included in the vaccine license, such as thimerosal, do not lie outside the scope of the law.

Some in Congress did insert language to that effect in the homeland security bill?only to provoke a histrionic response from the trial bar and its allies on the Hill. But the merits of the case for the statutory clarification remain clear.

By reaffirming the 1986 act's intent, our lawmakers could help ease the problem that has left so many Americans worried about immunizing their children.

Jim Copland is the director of the Manhattan Institute's Center for Legal Policy
 

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Hey Charlie,

Im not the one that brought it up in the first place so get a grip! Secondly, whom do you propose is responsible for the lack of flu shots if the administration is not? Attacking someone just because they do not believe in your far right beliefs is typical of folks that have blindly followed this administration and I could care less if you attack me with names as i am middle of the road on politics as more than likely when I vote this year the tally of whom I pick will be 50/50 Rep and Dems as I dont choose a politican by their party but by their beliefs and what ideas they have.
 

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There you go the Gov is afraid of lawyers it's there fault. Dam guys the Gov is run by Lawyers there all in the game. The company gave a heads up 60 days ago a problem may be coming. It does make you wonder what would happen with a terror attack. I guess we wont get ready because a lawyer might? Never mind.
As for Cheney. He should show some balls just once. He ducked the service and now is one of the first to get his flu shot. What a puss.
 
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no flu shots is a big deal, I do agree with that. I'm sure I won't be able to get one because my work can't acquire any. IMHO, I'm at huge risk being around a bunch of sick patients, and they are at considerable risk being around me and my coworkers who might be sick, but I don't ever see my profession mentioned in the categories of those at risk. Why is that?

I also agree, we should be making our own flu vaccines here. I didn't realize we imported them all.
 

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litigation is part of the problem...and it`s the flaw in the argument......it`s exactly why in cases like this,the government SHOULD be involved...

when it`s a free market issue left to the private sector,well,you can see the result...

there`s not enough profit involved for private companies to want any part...along with the litigation issue...

isn`t it a requirement for kids to get certain shots before entering school?....the infirm and elderly deserve as much consideration...

6`5"....it`s literally criminal that these capital hill staffers can get shots and you can`t.....

the democrats have a legit issue,imo...
 

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Six five half the drugs we get here are not made here. Yes there headquarters maybe here. But not all there product is made here. To show you some of the drug companies are feeling a little pressure. Lilly & Pfizer at the clinic I go to are offering this. You buy there card to become a member $20. Then any drugs you buy from them are co pay $15. You can bet if there starting this others will follow. The trick is to need what they sell. If they have not got it your out of luck. Oh by the way many of Pfizer drugs come from Puerto Rico. Some of Lilly's from Ireland. So when our administration says. Oh no drugs from Canada not good idea. It's of course more B S.
 

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Heard on the local radio here (sports show) that this flu shot shortage is being way overblown.

From my memory of the conversation....
the country used 45 million shots last year, we currently have access to 47 million

everyone in the medical community would be happier with the 90 mill or so they think they need

I've been getting the shot every year over the last 5 years (missed last year)

Each year, the cost has gone up. And now you need to get a shot for pnuemonia. I think it's a healthy business looking for growing income and a growing market. This flu shot shortage is just what the doctor ordered.

BTW
another great post DTB :clap:
 

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IntenseOperator said:
the country used 45 million shots last year, we currently have access to 47 million

What the hell is Kerry crying about!!!?? Why are the liberals raising a big stink??

DESPERATE FOR VOTES!!!!

:142lmao:
 

gardenweasel

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where`d you hear that "they" have access to 47million shots,i.o?......

as a guy that stood in line for 7 hours for a seriously ill brother and an elderly parent,i`d like to read that...


i also know that my old lady`s best friend is an oncology nurse at a hospital in baltimore....and they can`t get shots for people with compromised immune systems due to chemotherapy and radiation..


. i`d really like to read that article.....thanks...
 
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