GET ON USC NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gjn23]

auburn is not better than sc.......a total misconception is that the sec is better than the pac-10.....please! the losers that auburn has beaten says it all. plus tenn and fla are both down, lsu is not as good as it was last year and uga has been the most over-rated team the past 3 years.

auburn is good, however they are NOT as good as SC. I'd argue that cal is as good or better than Auburn and SC has already beaten them.........OU-SC should be the title game

 

[tulah]

auburn is not better than sc.......a total misconception is that the sec is better than the pac-10.....please! the losers that auburn has beaten says it all. plus tenn and fla are both down, lsu is not as good as it was last year and uga has been the most over-rated team the past 3 years.

auburn is good, however they are NOT as good as SC. I'd argue that cal is as good or better than Auburn and SC has already beaten them.........OU-SC should be the title game

:iagree:


Perfectly said!!

 

[Kdogg21]

i heard on the radio that in the last 25 years only 1 team that started the year #1 and won a NC was Florida State in 1997. i may have heard that wrong, but thats amazing

 

[OKD]

i heard on the radio that in the last 25 years only 1 team that started the year #1 and won a NC was Florida State in 1997. i may have heard that wrong, but thats amazing

It was Florida State '99, but yes, you are correct.

 

[Franky Wright]

You USC/Pac10 fans are smoking to much bad ganga from Mexico..........

Did you guys watch the games last weekend? :scared

Yes, they both won, I know......
Easily could have lost both those games.

And I dont want to hear anything about "fog" or "tremors" :moon:

"Originally Posted by Kdogg21
i heard on the radio that in the last 25 years only 1 team that started the year #1 and won a NC was Florida State in 1997. i may have heard that wrong, but thats amazing"

National Championship game........Oklahoma vs. Wisconsin :moon:

Rose Bowl.............USC vs Michigan

Fiesta Bowl..............Auburn vs Cal

Sugar Bowl.............Texas vs. Utah

Read em and weep :chairshot

Franky

P.S. I hear the sound of Pac10 keyboards typing frantically........... :142lmao:

 

[Kdogg21]

trivia....what are the only 3 teams in divisioin 1, that hasn't allowed a oppt to score over 21 pts this year??

 

[gman2]

no clue who the other two are, but know for sure one of 'em is penn state :scared

 

[wareagle]

auburn and wisky are 2 of the 3

 

[Kdogg21]

yup, auburn and wisky a combined what 18-0 and penn st, 2-7, thats unreal

 

[Scott4USC]

Lets take a look at all 3 teams Strength of Schedule.

Auburn has played the #91 ranked SOS
Wisconsin has played the #87 ranked SOS
Penn St. has played the #47 ranked SOS

I am a little more impressed with Penn St. especially since they have the worst offense of the 3 and their defense is on the field so often. Another explanation as to why Wiscy and Penn St. defense has kept every opponent under 21pts is because they NEVER blow out out their opponents on a regular basis. Meaning there are very few times they play their 2nd, 3rd and 4th string players on defense.

2/3 teams come from the Big 10. Is that an offensive powerhouse conference? Has Wiscy played the other top team in the Big 10? (NO)

Combine AU, Wiscy, and Penn St. and I bet you cannot find more than 3 POWERHOUSE offenses those teams stopped AND with NFL type superstar players. Maybe you can't find one great offensive team? I dunno.

As for AU, take a look at their opponents and that should be enough of an explanation. Although what is impressive is Tubby does play subs in his games and AU has had many blowouts this year.

So don't be too impressed by those 3 teams defensive statistics. We all know the real reason they are statistically sound defenses.

 

[gman2]

We all know the real reason they are statistically sound defenses. [/B]

yes, we do. because they are well-coached and have fast, aggressive defenses and solid defensive personnel.

 

[Nickelback]

Couldn't get back any earlier than now. Yeah, it is my opinion, and I'll be glad to explain how I reached my opinion.

Basically if USC and Auburn meet, Auburn will have played against teams that are balanced while I hesitate to say that USC will not have played the same caliber (yes, even against Cal. . . I do not believe the Bears have a talented rushing attack). The largest difference IMO being the ground attack. I believe Auburn has the best rushing attack in the country and schemes that are extremely effective. Sure USC can watch film and try to figure out a way to stop it, but they still will not have played against anything close. Auburn is stacked up front allowing 102 yards a game on the gorund. . . USC will certainly put their hopes on their star QB's shoulders and rightfully so. I just don't believe USC has the star WR they need for a quality secondary like Auburn to focus upon.

In the end, I still believe the best team in the country is usually the team that can successfully move the ball on the ground the best. . . when the passing attack isn't working, you can always rely on a dominant rushing attack. Auburn has it, USC doesn't in my opinion.

Again, we'll see what happens. . . your USC national championship bet is certainly quality and +140 is an absolute joke. . . you are correct with that because unless something incredible happens, they will play in the final game. While I feel USC would domintate against OU's defense, I feel Auburn has the perfect balanced attack (especially their rushing attack) to limit USC's chances on offense and control the game. Hopefully we get to see the game! I do think Auburn's game against Georgia will show one way or the other if the Tigers could potentially rise to a challenge against USC since the Bulldogs have their own star QB.

The debate continues!

 

[Scott4USC]

gman2

yes, we do. because they are well-coached and have fast, aggressive defenses and solid defensive personnel.

Thats all fine and dandy but what are you basing that on?

What great offense(s) has Wiscy shut down?

What great offense(s) has AU shut down?

What great offense(s) has Penn St. shut down?

I guess Tenn. was the most explosive offense AU shut down and they are not a great offensive team.

Was Purdue or Minny the best offenses Wiscy and Penn St. faced? Neither has a great offense.

Maybe you think Tenn. with 2 frosh QB's is an explosive offense. Maybe you think Minny and Purdue are great offenses. I hope you were not fooled by Purdue blowing out their early competition during the season into thinking they have an explosive offense. Purdue put up great offensive numbers against Syracuse, Ball St., Illinois and ND. Only one impressive offensive showing by Purdue all year and that was against ND.

gman2 you think they all play great defenses and are well-coached and have fast, aggressive defenses and solid defensive personnel but the teams they have faced has NOTHING to do with it? Come on gman2, use your head. You only can judge a team by the competition they faced. I cannot find 1 explosive offense these 3 teams have shut down. Can you? I Know you can't find more than 3 teams! What great QB's have they stopped??? People need to start holding teams accountable. Stop the BS nonsense.

Don't get me wrong, all 3 teams have good/very good defenses. However, NONE of them have proven anything to me because they have NOT faced great competition. Plain and simple. So anybody who holds these defenses in high regard is somewhat clueless because there really is no merit. If you think they should be held in high regard, please explain to me why!

 

[Scott4USC]

Nickelback

Good post. The trouble I have with AU is they have not played a great schedule and have not been tested. The #'s you put out for AU or the impressive AU wins means very little to me. SO I strongly disagree with a few areas in your post but enjoyed reading it. Simply put, USC is much much more prepared and tested to play AU vs AU being tested to play USC. Does that mean AU cannot win or even dominate USC? NO, but it gives USC the advantage. Plus USC has a huge coaching advantage as well.

HOWEVER, I do agree with this line of yours....

I do think Auburn's game against Georgia will show one way or the other if the Tigers could potentially rise to a challenge against USC since the Bulldogs have their own star QB.

If AU beats UGA soundly, then I think AU could pose a tougher challenge to USC then I think. On the flip side, UGA has not been a great team this year. They are a very good and very talented team. NOT GREAT.

 

[maverick2112]

If anyone really likes Auburn they should just moneyline the next 4 games......say Georgia,Alabama,Tennessee then USC........it would pay better than the 5-1 that I have seen on them to win the NC..........they would have to win everygame anyhow and if they win the next 3 and dont surpass OU then you would have just won 3 bets instead of 4...............If you bet on them now at 5-1 to win the NC and they dont make the game you are screwed........

 

[gman2]

scott:

'you can only judge a team by the competition they have faced'

thats where youre wrong, and thats why its pointless to debate anything with you.

you play the game and handicap with a calculator, logarithms, and pie charts.

i prefer to take the football experience that i have and combine it with what my eyes see every saturday and form opinions accordingly.

its pretty obvious that auburn, wisconsin, and penn state have pretty fu/ckin good defenses.

with your logic, utah wouldnt even be in the top 25 this year.

i hate to tell you, but they happen to be one of the best midmajor teams of the last decade.

you read way too much into numbers and stats.

watch the games and watch the speed that these defenses have. speed and talent knows no difference between oklahoma and central florida.

 

[Scott4USC]

gman2

I actually base MOST of my handicapping from what I see with my own eyes. If I ever bet HUGE on a play, it always on teams that I know inside and out or have seen multiple times play this year. THis year I have had ZERO huge plays while last year I had about 6-8. I have ESPN gameplan so I am able to watch many games throughout the year. However, when you compare teams or even watch a team, you have to take a look at the competition being played against.

For example, if ND played all the teams in the Big East, Mt. West and WAC and be undefeated coming into the USC game, would you tout ND being a great team and present a huge challenge to USC? (ND would have a similar SOS as AU and Wiscy) Their defense would have multiple shutouts and their offense would put up big pts.
I could argue ND would be much better off this year playing AU's schedule AND be bowl eligible. What does that say about the Mighty Tigers and the SEC.

How many times do you see a team start out 5-0 against piss poor competition and then get THUMPED when they play someone good?

Lets take Purdue this year for example. HUGE FRAUD. I was not duped because I knew they had not played anybody. Orton for Heisman cuz they put up 50+ pts against piss poor competition?

Or take last year for example with OU. OU put up HUGE numbers against bad/average teams. Then they got blown out against the best team they faced all year. Then OU loses against LSU in the bowl game. Many people said they saw that team (OU) play with their own eyes and thought they were maybe one of the best teams EVER! YOU CAN ONLY JUDGE TEAMS BASED ON WHO THEY ARE PLAYING AGAINST! There are TONS of examples that would support my argument.

its pretty obvious that auburn, wisconsin, and penn state have pretty fu/ckin good defenses.

Based on what? Your own eyes?

watch the games and watch the speed that these defenses have. speed and talent knows no difference between oklahoma and central florida.

So when the AU defense ran circles around Citadel, I am suppose to think they are really fast and good? When the Wiscy/Penn St defense shuts down all those explosive offenses in the Big 10 I am suppose to think they are world beaters? What great offenses have these defenses faced? I want to know!

I don't understand your logic. If an average defense plays a BAD OFFENSIVE team, that average defense is gonna look pretty good! When you are talking about Penn St., Wiscy, and AU they all may have TOP DEFENSES in the country but have any of them been seriously tested? If so, more than once? I don't think so. So if none of them have been tested more than once, how can anyone say by judging from their own eyes they are "*ucking good.'

This is where you can lose/make a lot of money in the bowl season. I pray CAL faces Wiscy and USC faces AU in the bowl games. I will dump my whole account on both teams if both are -3 or less. It is the same reason I bet 9k on USC vs Michigan last year. Michigan had not played anybody to prepare for USC vs USC already being tested to play Michigan.

People need to start holding teams accountable based on who they play. When I bring up stats/numbers they are used to "support" my argument. I can judge from my own eyes and know that many of the teams that Wiscy and AU have faced are crap teams. I think you can come up with the same conclusion with your own eyes as well!

Name the great offenses AU has shut down?

Name the great offenses Wiscy and Purdue shut down?

Could help explain their great defensive stats!

 

[Master Capper]

Scott,

What great offense has USC shut down this year other than Cal? Boise shut down Oreg States offense better than USC did!

Going back to your original theme of value before you turned this into a USC pep rally, I see more value currently on Auburn than I doon USC from a wagering perspective.

 

[gman2]

scott, heres a simple question for you:

how do you think schools like usc, oklahoma, and ohio state evaluate these blue-chip recruits? high school sports is so dilluted nowadays that these blue-chippers are playing against 5'8, 170 pound linebackers.

yet these coaches are able to recognize talent when they see it, no matter what competition its against.

im not a texas high school expert, so i have no idea how good palestine high is, but im pretty sure adrian peterson ran over some pimply-faced teenagers last season and faced some awful defenses.

yet he seems to be having a fairly decent year at oklahoma.

please go tell bob stoops that recruiting peterson was a high risk because he didnt face great competition

youre so focused on researching every single stat and mathematical minutiae that youre failing to objectively recognize good talent.

of course competition matters, but you have it stuck in your head that it provides empirical data and arguments every time

it doesnt.

 

[Scott4USC]

Master Capper

For starters, CAL is prob. the #1 offensive team in the country AND USC held them to 17pts despite Rogers (best QB in the country) having a flawless day! Pretty impressive for USC!

Top 4 offenses USC shut down prob. are..........

CAL
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
V-Tech

Oregon St. QB is top 5 passer in Pac 10 history. ASU, OSU, and CAL all have NFL caliber QB's! Especially CAL and ASU have 1st round drafted NFL QB's!!!

Boise shut down Oreg States offense better than USC did!

How can you compare both games? Oregon St. played AT BOISE ST. (tough ass place to play at) 7 days after traveling to play AT LSU! Oregon St. missed 3 PATS and dominated LSU yet came away with a loss by 1pt against the defending BCS National Champion. I do not think OSU was 100% ready to play AT BOISE ST. On top of that, OSU played USC at OSU and there was MAJOR FOG! Prob. the worst fog in the last 20+ years for a Pac 10 game. So you are gonna compare both games? GET REAL!

Going back to your original theme of value before you turned this into a USC pep rally, I see more value currently on Auburn than I doon USC from a wagering perspective.

In the last 2 weeks, I got USC +200, +160, and +140 and I posted and told all madjackers to jump on board. Well right now USC is -110 to win NC or even -150 at some places. I think my bet was the best value! USC wins out they are 98% guaranteed to make it to the Orange Bowl. AU may need to OU to lose to make it to the Orange Bowl. That does NOT make it a great bet, especially since AU "may" be +200 or more ML underdog to USC. No value in AU to win Orange Bowl IMO.

You think the polls will rank AU #2 over OU if BOTH win out? Or is Nebraska, Baylor, or Iowa St. gonna upset OU? On top of that, you then gotta hope AU beats USC in Orange Bowl. That is a lot to ask for. Therefore, that is not a great futures bet.

After explaining to why I see no value in that bet, please inform me where you see the value in it? Especially when you think it is the BEST VALUE!

Currently I still think USC at even odds has more value.