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Hard to fathom this idiot. I'll volunteer for more taxes so we can send it to Somolia--right!
Personally I think we ought to help those that support us and give shit to those that diss U.S. and burn flags. It is downright amusing how some of these people hate western ideas but will eagerly take money these same ideas produce.

You won't believe this joker at U.N.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041228-122330-7268r.htm
 

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Give till it hurts DTB. Make believe it's a contribution to some one running for office. Just like throwing it down the same hole. But for one thing the people in need will know who gave. It's like the money we thrown away in Iraq. All those folks don't want us there. Sure some do. Don't you think it's like that in many countries. Not everyone hates us just 50%.
 

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This POS thinks that "most of us want to pay more taxes" shows us how much he is in touch

send this norwegian POS back and his UN band of crooks with him

i am so sick and tired of the Communist Republic of the UN trying to take away our sovereignty

the US gives 15 million and most other countries give 1 million and this clown thinks we are stingy? he thinks the reason we dont give more is because we are undertaxed?

And he throws the ol' "Christmas guilt trip" in our face?

How much money did these countries give us after 9-11 and where the hell are they in helping us fight our wars?

The only help the are doing is trying to cover their ass in the scandals they were involved in....its amazing that we as a government still give money away....they will hate us anyway

let the private citizens of the country donate, Mr. Powell and Mr. Bush.....please do not have our borken down government give away 1 cent.....let us donate as we see fit

we have seen where all these other countries help comes...and for this gratitiude of giving away 15 million while others give 1 million gets us slapped in the face, the take our present back
 

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Keep this in mind, Americans are going to spend tens of millions of dollars helping the victims of this tragedy. We'll also aid them in the rebuilding of their countries. Then, as soon as we are through, these nations will be right back to resenting us and hating us for the very wealth that allowed us to help them in the first place. Also keep in mind that many of the nations we'll be spending the money on are heavily or predominantly Muslim.

Remember ... no good deed goes unpunished.
 

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Appears Algezeera and affiliate New York Times are siding with U.N. fellow. I have to wonder if both these media's aren't owned by same corp.There is seldom a days goes by that Algezeera is not quoting NYT views.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E00EB28F-762B-4D0C-992C-E060DA4FA9DF.htm


"Egeland has insisted his comments were misinterpreted and not pointed at the reaction of the US or other countries to Sunday's tsunami disaster. Bush has still said the comments were "ill-informed", however.

But the New York Times countered with an editorial on Thursday which said the US has indeed been "stingy".

"We beg to differ [with Bush]. Mr. Egeland was right on target," the paper said."

My question is to Algezeera and NYT is while all these "infidels" worldwide are pouring in relief where are stats on contributions from Algezeera and their terrorist entities????
Maybe they'd prefer we sent prayers and told them they would recover on their own--Allah willing?
 
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CNN was carrying a video clip yesterday showing a disaster survivor screaming "Please tell the world, where is America?"

Bear in mind, there is no way in the world that this individual could have had any idea as to who was doing what... insofar as relief efforts were concerned.

He had just survived a terrible natural disaster and may well have lost members of his family, and there he is asking "Where is America?" His screams just validate what most of us already know ... when times get rough pretty well anywhere in the world the people affected look to America for help.

One day they may be demonstrating outside an American embassy demanding for the withdrawal of all things American from their part of the world, and they next day they reflexively look to America for rescue.

America will once again show its generosity and goodness to the world as this disaster unfolds. Ironically it is the very strength that allows us to help at times like these that will insure the continuation of the animosity against our country.

It might be a good time to remember that poll that was taken just prior to the presidential election. A surveyed showed that 58% of the various nationalities polled wanted to see the United States and its role in world affairs weakened.

A weakened United States could not respond to this disaster in as meaningful a way. These people will put aside their desires for American weakness until this tragedy is passed. Then it will be back to business as usual.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Maybe they'd prefer we sent prayers and told them they would recover on their own--Allah willing?

:yup

Nice to see Aljazeeblowjobs get past their hatred of the West and use that evil tool......the internet.

Was sitting with a friend Thursday and he was talking about this whole thing. He said something to the effect that the US funds 40% of the UN activities/events as it is. Maybe someone has the actual numbers on this.
 

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Give till it hurts DTB. Make believe it's a contribution to some one running for office. Just like throwing it down the same hole. But for one thing the people in need will know who gave. It's like the money we thrown away in Iraq. All those folks don't want us there. Sure some do. Don't you think it's like that in many countries. Not everyone hates us just 50%.

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Bush said up it to 350 mill. Heck the four Waltons can do that from there 22 billion and never miss a dime. See it don't hurt the rest of us. Well hold it were broke, were already in deficit. They need to borrow this 350 mill from the broke S/S fund they been stealing from for 50 years. Actually when smaller countries like Sweden gave 75 mill it made our 35 mill look sad. So Mr Bush stepped up-to the dinner table with more. I'm waiting to here what China's doing. You know the country were many of our jobs went.
 

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"China has promised a politically significant 60.5 million dollars, making it the biggest donor after the United States, Britain and Sweden -- the European country that looks likely to suffer the biggest death toll in the disaster"

I waiting to see what Arab countries give their Muslim brothers--Along with privite donations of Jessie Jacksons outfit--and media-NCAAP and others whiners about what U.S. is giving --

Heres a few charitable givers--
.S. Companies Give Millions in Aid

Friday, December 31, 2004



NEW YORK ? U.S. corporations are donating millions of dollars in cash and supplies to victims of the tsunamis along the Indian Ocean, easily eclipsing the initial $35 million in aid earmarked by the U.S. government.

In addition to cash, donations of everything from diapers, antibiotics, frequent-flier miles and a gel called OdorScreen meant to curb the stench of decaying bodies were on the way to the region in the wake of earthquake-fueled waves that as of late Thursday had claimed more than 117,000 lives in Asia, India and Africa.

The final tally was yet to be known, but it's clear the Red Cross and other aid groups were experiencing perhaps the largest surge in donations since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks or the string of hurricanes that hit Florida and the Caribbean this summer.

"The volume (of donations) that they're seeing in the last few days is several times what they saw during the hurricanes, which was several times what they see on a normal day," said Charlie Cumbaa, a vice president at Blackbaud Inc., which makes software used by the Red Cross and many other aid agencies to process donations.

Among the biggest corporate givers are Pfizer Inc. (PFE), which is donating $10 million in cash and $25 million worth of drugs to relief agencies; The Coca-Cola Co. (KO), which is donating $10 million; Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM), which is giving $5 million; and Citigroup Inc. (C), which is contributing $3 million. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (search) has pledged $3 million.

Pharmaceutical and health-care products companies were among the biggest givers.

Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) and Abbott Laboratories Inc. (ABT) are each donating $2 million and sending drugs and other health-care supplies to the region. Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. (BMY) is donating $1 million in cash and $4 million in antibiotics and antifungal drugs. Merck & Co. (MRK), Roche Group and GlaxoSmithKline PLC (GSK) were also planning to donate supplies and/or cash.

Nike Inc. (NKE), American Express Co. (AXP), General Electric Co. (GE) and First Data Corp. (FDC) are each giving $1 million.

For some corporations with operations in the countries struggling with the disaster, their far-flung enterprises are serving as quick supply routes for aid.

Drug makers with offices or plants in the region sent employees out with antibiotics, nutritional supplements, infant formula, baby food and other supplies. Employees of companies like Coca-Cola, PepsiCo Inc. and Marriott International Inc. hotels in the region are delivering bottled water, food and other supplies.

"They're sending whatever they can, as fast as they can," said Elaine Palmer, spokeswoman for PepsiCo, which rushed out Aquafina bottled water from one of its Indian bottlers and plans to contribute a minimum of $1 million to the relief effort.

Fresh drinking water is one of the items most needed. Many sources of fresh water, like wells, have been contaminated by seawater, debris and sewage.

In Thailand, Starbucks (SBUX) coffee shops are donating all of Wednesday's profits to the relief effort. The company also made an initial contribution of $100,000 and will donate $2 for every pound of certain coffees sold in January in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and Germany.

Many companies are offering to match employee donations to aid groups and are making it easier for customers to donate.

First Data's Western Union is offering free money transfers from U.S. and Canadian donors to the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

Amazon.com (AMZN) had collected about 87,000 donations totaling more than $5.4 million for the American Red Cross as of Thursday afternoon.

Wal-Mart Inc. (WMT) is setting up collection containers at all of its stores, in addition to a $2 million donation from its foundation.

Google Inc. (GOOG) has put a link on its home page to relief groups, and America Online is encouraging members to donate to Network for Good, an online charity the Internet-service provider founded along with Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) and Yahoo! Inc (YHOO).

AOL members donated more than $1 million in less than 48 hours, according to spokesman Nicholas Graham.

New York public-relations guru Howard Rubenstein said an opportunity for some good PR was probably not the only motivating factor in the corporate outpouring.

"I think it's a humanitarian instinct," he said. "And the byproduct would certainly be good PR for the corporation, and more importantly for our country."

Among the growing list of donations were some companies that have suffered bad press recently, including $200,000 from Computer Associates International Inc. (CA), which has been dealing with an accounting scandal. Pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and Merck Inc., which chipped in $250,000 and medicine, have recently had to deal with stories about increased risks of heart problems for patients taking their painkillers.

"For a company that's had negative PR, I think it will serve to soften the negative image," said Rubenstein. "I would urge all companies, but especially anybody who has made an apology to the public or who has sustained broadside media attacks, to consider this. It's another form of apology and goodwill. But also another form of doing right."
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I.O. The U.S. supplied 40% of "all" world relief in 2003 (2004 #'s not out yet) giving 2.478 BILLION with next closest being U.K. with 565 MILLION ---and on U.N. funding-----

"The United States gives $13.3 billion tax dollars in direct Foreign Aid annually. The United States is above and beyond the single most generous benefactor of the United Nations, donating $2.4 billion dollars of OUR money, to primarily third-world dictators.

This amount is 25% of the United Nations budget. In addition, the United States also gives another $1.4 billion tax dollars to United Nations' programs and agencies. The American taxpayers fund more for the United Nations than ALL of the other 177 member nations COMBINED.

What most Americans do not realize is that the vast majority of the recipients of US Foreign Aid routinely vote against the wishes of the United States in the UN at an average rate of 74%. In other words, of the $13.3 billion tax dollars invested in direct Foreign Aid only about 26% or $3.5 billion went to support people who endorsed American initiatives or causes. A staggering $9.8 billion tax dollars went to causes and people who were and are in open and direct opposition to the United States' interests and objectives."
 

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Way to go Japan 500 mill. Come on China. Saudi where are you?
 

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It is way past the time that the US needs to withdraw from the hopelessly corrupt UN and use that prime real estate on tyhe upper East Side for better purposes.

Does anyone seriously doubt that Kofi and his family and friends will find a way to profit from this tidal wave disaster?

There is more honesty and decency in a small town in the US than the whole of the UN and it's corrupt sponsors, France, Russia and Germany.

Withdraw from the UN and create alliances as we need them. Along with the British, we can only trust the US.
 

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I waiting to see what Arab countries give their Muslim brothers

Think you'll find that most of the dead were Hindu's, but don't let that worry you...

Have been wondering who'd be the first to turn the largest natural disaster in our lifetimes into a religious issue.
 

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Actually, the vast majority of the dead, over 80%, are Muslims from the North Sumatra coast.

I agree with DTB, the biggest transfer of capital in human history is from the the West to the Middle East to pay for oil - where are all their funds to help their Muslim brothers?

The US has proved time and again, from Kosovo to Somalia that we are willing to put other issues aside and help Muslims when they are in need...I agree with that policy completely. But where are they when it comes to helping each other?

Also, these are the same countries where most of the people were out in the streets celebrating after 9/11. Hell, Muslims here in the US were in the streets celebrating, I know because i saw it with my own eyes in Paterson, NJ.

No decent person would ever celebrate the murder of innocent people, whatever the religion.
 

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Chanman:

You are right: Indonesia has refused Israel's offer of help, just like Iran did two years ago after a massive earthquake in that country.

This is more evidence of a failed culture, hopefully our work in establishing democracy in Iraq can turn the tide in favor of social and economic development that will make these countries better places to live and the world safer for us all.
 

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Thanks for the reply. Here is an interesting read:

HERO GIVES UP EVERYTHING TO DEFEND HIS COUNTRY

By Ted Rall.

A Glorious Profile in Courage and Selflessness


IRAQI JIHAD NEWS SERVICE--Pathim Tili Al-Aman has a life any Iraqi would envy. He is 28 and holds both a M.B.A. and a Ph.D from the prestigious Cairo University. Until a month ago, he ran the futures desk at the new Baghdad Stock Exchange, a gig that yielded a salary over $400,000 a year. He shares a sprawling luxury apartment, furnished with rare cacti and Babylonian artifacts he acquired a year ago and which enjoys a panoramic view of Baghdad from the Tigris to the Green Zone and back again, with four wives and eight sons. His second wife Nadia, famous as the prettiest girl in their upscale Mansoor neighborhood, still turns heads from behind her abaya as she zips past local checkpoints in one of the couple's three new Mercedes.


"Pathim has a bright future. He can do whatever he wants," says Kamal Abbas, a childhood friend. "Not only is he a brilliant businessman, fashion model, and mathematician, he's the most promising football [soccer] player this country has ever produced." He was offered a 3.6 million dinar, three-year contract to play for the Karkh sports club. He's a hard worker, a devoted family man and an award-winning chef. Everyone who meets him describes him as a stunningly handsome, virile, hard-driving man with a deeply thoughtful, intellectual streak. Though Tili Al-Aman describes himself as a "lapsed Sunni," Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani relies upon his encyclopedic knowledge of Islamic legal history to settle intractable ecclesiastical controversies and to settle conflicts between warring tribal factions.


But that's all in the past. Pathim has enlisted in the Jama'at al-Tawhid wal Jihad, known since October as Al Qaeda in Iraq. He will soon report as an ordinary grunt insurgent to a remote camp in southeastern Kurdistan to learn basic guerilla warfare tactics from agents of Ansar al-Islam. He will receive $70 a month to cover food, plus $500 for every coalition soldier he kills. Like any other resistance fighter, he will supply his own Kalashnikov rifle and rocket-propelled grenade launcher.


Under normal circumstances, Tili Al-Aman could look forward to a life of luxury and glamor, his future assured. Instead he has chosen the harder but more satisfying path of sacrifice and hardship. And with thousands of anti-coalition soldiers already martyred, there's a real chance he could leave his family fatherless and destitute.


"People ask 'Why would a guy give up everything to plant roadside bombs in the trash?'," said Sheikh Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, chief JTJ commander. "The answer is, he's a leader. He doesn't want some other man doing his fighting for him."


"Sure, I'm successful. And I could make a lot of money playing football. But none of that seemed important after we were attacked on 3-25," said Tili Al-Aman, referring to the start of the 2003 American invasion. "My grandfather died defending the nation from Britain in 1941. My father fought alongside il-Za'im to depose the puppet Hashemite monarchy in 1958. What have I done?"


While many of his peers wallow in self-indulgence, Pathim Tili Al-Aman is a genuine patriot, selfless and disciplined, a man whose band of brothers is his top priority. "We are at war," he says. "Wars need leaders. And that's what I am, a leader."

This is the cry of the pure at heart, naturally repugnant to the liberal kubba-nibbling cultural elitists who smile and wave at passing troops of the forces of imperialist American oppression. Such effete poindexters see no irony in mocking the men whose resistance protects their right to issue such utterances, without whom they would probably die screaming in a torture chamber at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib.


Consider Malik Morali, the comedian-documentarian who derides Tili Al-Aman's heroism as "another ignorant raghead willing to get shot up like Swiss cheese on the off chance his I.E.D. will cost a Hummer a flat tire...stooo-pid." Or Fariz Farez, a "pundit" whose newspaper serves the U.S. puppet Allawi. "Risking your life for a bunch of Koran-thumping woman haters and oil-stealing Baathist thugs hardly makes you a hero," sneered Farez in his syndicated column. "It makes you a sap."


Thank Allah we have more men like Tili Al-Aman, who are willing to fight and even die for our freedom, than cowards like Morali.


UPDATE: Al Qaeda will honor fallen mujahid Pathim Tili Al-Aman, killed in combat defending Fallujah. A $1,000 martyrdom remittance will be paid to each of his widows. Tili Al-Aman was lauded in a special Internet videotape recorded by Sheikh Osama bin Laden for intentionally drawing infidel fire after he was struck by a bullet, allowing his comrades to escape their safehouse. "He gave up millions of dinars to join the resistance," noted bin Laden. "Anyone who doubts that he's an Iraqi hero is a traitor." Sheikh al-Zarqawi has posthumously awarded Tili Al-Aman the Silver Crescent for his final act of bravery.


FURTHER UPDATE: Al Qaeda in Iraq has issued a terse statement indicating that Pathim Tili Al-Aman, the young businessman and budding soccer star lionized as a national hero who joined the insurgency to fight American terrorism, actually died from "friendly fire," having been shot by a fellow jihadi. Asked whether Tili Al-Aman's Silver Crescent award would be revoked, Sheikh al-Zarqawi reminded Iraqis that he remains "a national hero whom every patriotic young man should emulate."

I guess Rall thinks this is clever take on Pat Tillman. And that we would celebrate Islam's misery, or hide our faces while we behead innocent ppl, condone bombing women& children, etc., etc. :nooo:
 
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