medical problems cause half of personal bankruptcies...

[dr. freeze]

they happen everywhere

but some more often than others

over half of patients are mismanaged, but to the stupidity of cutting off a wrong limb or the above situations, i haven't ever seen or heard of it or know anyone who has been around such a case

thats all i am saying

 

[THE KOD]

dr

wow your in a cave of denial.

sorry to beat on your profession but there are changes in
the wind.

 

[THE KOD]

most surgeons work 70-80 hour weeks their whole career
l

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dr

thats the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard from you. Its funny that everytime you go to
justify a surgeons salary you start that how many hours a week they work.

Tell me where these hours come from ? Office hours, rounds, surgury. I think they can fit all that into 40 hours but its probably less.

So surgeons charge average of 25 - 50 grand a operation. It dont take long to get to a million.

Tell me they are not on the golf course enjoying life. With a mercedes and a boat. Travel and entertainment.

On the other hand I have to say, God Bless our Physicians. We live in the finest country with the capability of providing the best care in the world. But there has to be some changes and Doctors will have to be a part of it.

Maybe they can't have their own office anymore.
Well then buddy up and spilt the overhead.

Maybe a Doctor could get half the pay and volunteer time for the good of the community.
Or is it just the money. If it is just the money no wonder we are headed for socialized health care.


what a rant

 

[THE KOD]

they overcharge you and you shouldnt have to pay it....

it is crooked and every hospital runs that way

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:scared :scared :scared

 

[dr. freeze]

how much time do you volunteer to the community?

got news for you, doctors get less than 1 G for most operations

hospitals get the rest

equipment adds up to most of the overhead

if you dive deep into hospital books, which you obviously haven't, you will see why medicine costs so much

so try to keep the ignorance to a minimum because it is worthless belaboring this anymore

nothing i say is believed, obviously again, despite myself being up front about a number of things that are black marks on the profession

surgeons and general internists do the Lord's work...that pretty much sums it up....almost all surgeons dont ever know their families, and dont have any other hobbies or any other way to spend their money than perhaps a car

i gave surgery a long hard look as a career because i really like how it rewards one.....and most surgeons do tons of pro-bono work....again you insinuate that they dont

i can't do it because i have family as priority number one, and this career would compromise that......i would have to pretty much neglect them

so i turned to another field which also lets me serve patients but gives personal time off too]

other medical professions are more lucrative, but they are extremely competitive to get into.....

and you want the best and brightest in the medical field because of the seriousness of the business....you dont want laurel and hardy cutting off the wrong leg...

and if you cut salaries, results will follow....and it is already starting to happen.....in 20 years you wlill be lucky to have an internest who speaks good English....

you immediately insinuate its going into medicine for the wrong reasons...thats bullshit....you go into medicine because it is a good career......wtf do you think we live in the USSR? you think we work for mother russia?

no we work for the dollar....and we try to find a career that pays well and serves people....medicine is no different than any other field....the people going into it are the same people that go into engineering or business....there are crooks and there are good people....

along the way, you have a tendency to be pulled towards bitterness because everyone is taking money out of your paycheck and you have to work lots longer than you would have ever imagined....and every year thousands of journal articles are written and you better be able to keep up

and every patient that walks in that door is a potential lawsuit....and every patient always is compaining to you....they dont care how you feel, they dont care if you have a family you want to go see....they dont care if you have a wife and kids at home and it is 1 am.....

then you have people like this asshole saying that the doctors arent the ones that do the real healing....lmao....nurses help heal and doctors help heal.....its complete bs to criticize the doctor because he only has 5 minutes with the patient personally but spends an hour every day making phone calls, researching treatment options, writing notes, tieing up loose ends, reading charts, etc. etc....and he wants to get out before 8PM so he can see his family for a little while before he goes to bed.....

you sit there from your high horse and label this guy however you want but he is a person too and he has good days and bad just like anyone

get behind the scenes and dont think its a great lifestyle.....its hard work...i thought it was going to be a great lifestyle too and i saw country clubs and fine dining in my dreams but no its more looking out the window of the cafeteria wondering when i can go home to see my wife

 

[dr. freeze]

heres the day of a surgeon

5-7 AM morning rounds
7-8 pre-op -- review notes and get quick bite for breakfast
8-whenever operate -- some peopel operate into the evening

after operating go to clinic until 5-6
after this go do rounds again on patients

go home about 8-9


of course some people have better setups but this is the great majority and how they operate

also they take call and work weekends as people believe it or not are in the hospital on weekends

and the public thinks this is a great gig....lol.....it is and it isnt'....thats all i can say

by the way....doctors salaries have steadily decreased since the early 80's....yet you have seen hospital bills exponentially increase.....

do you think maybe, just maybe the problem does not lie with the physicians?

 

[bjfinste]

So what other field did you turn to?

 

[saint]

Should have been dentistry

 

[THE KOD]

got news for you, doctors get less than 1 G for most operations

hospitals get the rest

equipment adds up to most of the overhead

if you dive deep into hospital books, which you obviously haven't, you will see why medicine costs so much

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:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

dr - sorry but if you expect me to believe that a heart surgeon gets 1 grand from a operation then you are a fool.

Dive deep into hospital books. :mj07: :mj07:
No one is allowed to do that and I doubt there
is any way that you have ever had any hospital books open to you.

They keep these books closed tighter than
old Aunt Tillys twat.

 

[THE KOD]

nothing i say is believed, obviously again, despite myself being up front about a number of things that are black marks on the profession

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dr

thats because there is no way you or anyone else can verify who is making what. If you don't
know you should say so, instead of pulling a
number out your ars.

:mj21:

 

[dr. freeze]

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:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

dr - sorry but if you expect me to believe that a heart surgeon gets 1 grand from a operation then you are a fool.

Dive deep into hospital books. :mj07: :mj07:
No one is allowed to do that and I doubt there
is any way that you have ever had any hospital books open to you.

They keep these books closed tighter than
old Aunt Tillys twat.

are most operations heart surgery?

i said most operatiosn give a surgeon under 1 G....i know what reimbursements are because i explored the career

no most operations are appendix and gall bladder removal, hernia repair, and abscess drainage

again, you insinuate that i dont know what i am talking about but make yourself look more like a fool in doing so

 

[THE KOD]

dr

why don't you say what career you actually decided on ?

after all the research you came up with what ? and it will allow you to make a good living and still see your family.

I agree that some doctors are workaholics just like some people in the general population are. but got to think its 10 % of doctors, not all of them.

 

[THE KOD]

Malpractice bill steams on
House committee OKs caps

By BILL RANKIN, NANCY BADERTSCHER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/05/05


After one Republican legislator left in protest, the Special House Committee on Civil Justice Reform approved sweeping legislation that caps jury awards for a malpractice victim's pain and suffering at $250,000, or up to $750,000 if multiple defendants are liable.

The tort reform bill also encourages early settlements in malpractice cases, overhauls standards for expert testimony and requires juries to apportion awards more precisely.

After hearing two days of extensive testimony, the committee passed the measure, making limited changes to a bill approved last week in the Senate.

"We've always asked for the chance to make our case before either House or Senate body," said Joseph Parker, president of the Georgia Hospital Association. "We think it's a good bill."

A spokeswoman for House Speaker Glenn Richardson said the legislation could be considered by the full House next week.

Bill Clark, chief lobbyist for the Georgia Trial Lawyers Association, condemned the vote.

"A tort reform tsunami just drowned the constitutional rights of more than 8 million Georgians," he said. "This is the fastest track I've ever seen major public policy on."

The trial bar had been invited to offer amendments and made several proposals, including raising the cap on noneconomic damages to $750,000, with exceptions for wrongful death and catastrophic injury cases.

But the committee did not vote on them.

Instead, the panel approved the bill with little discussion about five minutes after Fleming introduced it.

Rep. Wendell Willard (R-Atlanta), chairman of the Judiciary Committee, asked that the special committee take the weekend to consider protections being granted to emergency rooms that he said no other state provides.

When denied his motion to adjourn, Willard excused himself and walked out of the committee room.

The bill says someone filing an emergency room malpractice case must prove "willful and wanton misconduct" by a hospital or doctor.
:scared
An emergency room patient whose leg is amputated by accident, for example, would be barred from recovering damages, Clark said. :scared

 

[dr. freeze]

10% of doctors outside of surgeons and internists are woraholics

95% of surgeons are workaholics

50% of internists are workaholics

i probably wont post my chosen field for a while because insults get pretty personal on here and i dont really need that shit every day

i am not a surgeon, internist, or ob/gyn

thats where i will leave it

 

[dr. freeze]

for a gall bladder removal bills can get as high as 10 G

the surgeon sees 3-4 hundred of that

 

[THE KOD]

i probably wont post my chosen field for a while because insults get pretty personal on here and i dont really need that shit every day

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Yeh can't blame you there.

Notice no other drs have come in saying diddly squat. They are all in St Martins on a beach drinking mai tais.

 

[THE KOD]

for a gall bladder removal bills can get as high as 10 G

the surgeon sees 3-4 hundred of that

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OK thats a good place to start.

How long is the Dr in the operating room ?

And how many gall bladders does he do a day ?

Its really hard to believe Dr would get so low a fee.

I will try to find some info on just gall bladders.

 

[THE KOD]

for a gall bladder removal bills can get as high as 10 G

the surgeon sees 3-4 hundred of that

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Definition:
Surgery to remove a diseased gallbladder.

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Description:
Surgery is done to remove a gallbladder that is infected (cholecystitis), inflamed, blocked (obstructed), or filled with gallstones. Gallbladder surgery is done while the patient is deep asleep and pain-free (general anesthesia). It can be done through an abdominal incision or through several small puncture holes and a special scope.

If the procedure is expected to be straightforward, the scope removal (laparoscopic) may be used. A laparoscope is inserted into the abdomen near the umbilicus (navel). Instruments are inserted through 2 more small puncture holes. The gallbladder is found, the vessels and tubes (cystic duct and artery) are cut and the gallbladder is removed.

Convalescence:
Allow about 3 weeks for recovery from an abdominal gallbladder surgery. Laparoscopic gallbladder surgery requires a shorter hospital stay; usually the patient is home within 24 hours.

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Cost:
The costs of any surgery varies significantly between surgeons, medical facilities, and regions of the country. Patients who are younger, sicker, or need more extensive surgery will require more intensive and expensive treatment.

Surgery charges can be separated into five parts: 1) the surgeon's fee, 2) the anesthesiologist's fee, 3) the hospital charges, which includes nursing care and the operating room, 4) the medications, and 5) additional charges.

1. Surgeon's fee: variable
2. Anesthesiologist's fee: averages $350 to $400 per hour
3. Hospital charges: basic rate averages $1,500 to $1,800 per day (more for the intensive care unit (ICU) or private rooms)
4. Medication charges: $200 to $400
5. Additional charges: assisting surgeon, treatment of complications, diagnostic procedures (such as blood or Xray exams), medical supplies, or equipment use.

Insurance coverage for surgery expenses depends on many factors and should be explored for each individual instance.
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dr

notice how the fee for the surgeon is varible.
If the Anesthesiologist's fee is 350-400 per hour, tell me again how the surgeon makes 400. :mj07:

You can only pull they yarn over peoples eyes so long and they start seeing through the threads.

dr- I am beginning to think you know not what
you are talking about.

 

[saint]

Scott how can you cite 1 internet site and take it as gospel while dr. freeze speaks as someone with 1sthand experience. Anyone can find a site online to support anything in the world. I doubt freeze would waste as much time as he does arguing with you if he were going to make up things. I find Freeze much more believable simply because he is in position to speak about these things. You have no idea what you are talking about because you don't work in that area. You can read arbitrary internet sites all day, you still don't know shit about it in the end.

 

[THE KOD]

saint

I respect your views but then again you really don't know
any more about dr freeze and his 1st hand experience than
you know about what I know or can find.

He won't even say what position he holds. It may be a
proctologist. Guess he is worried people would call him
dr ass or something.

I have stated personal cases that have affected my life. If you think that our health care is on the up and up and don't need
to be fixed your in the cave with freeze.

And don't get me sidetracked saint, because I have issues with dentists also !

Bottom line is. You don't know what I know or what freeze knows. This is the internet. You expect me to take freeze at his
word. He is so far off on some costs that its scary.