medical problems cause half of personal bankruptcies...

[saint]

And don't get me sidetracked saint, because I have issues with dentists also !

Hey nothing wrong with good debate. I take nothing personal from online stuff as I'm sure you don't.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread but I've got one thing to say about this.

I would be out of a job if not for people's laziness. Pick up a toothbrush and floss twice a day, it's not hard. Thank God the American public is too lazy to even do this.

Do you work in healthcare Scott? Regardless of your life experiences with it, it is far different seeing things on the outside versus the inside. I don't argue your personal experiences with healthcare but unless you worked on the inside you have no grounds to dispute some of what Dr. Freeze talks about.

 

[THE KOD]

saint

I don't take nothing personal. I want to hear about the other sides of issues so I can make a informed decision when the time comes. Voting on health care reform or whatever.

I do not work in health care.

And I do think dr attempts to give out good information.

Its just hard to believe a surgeon makes less than a anathesiologist.

 

[THE KOD]

saint

There is one reason I could never consider dentistry.

And that is the fear and dread that almost all of us have of
going to the dentist. I mean do you ever have anyone that comes in and says.....Glad to be here ?

Not sure if you have to deal with that now.

I think I would just strap the gas on them and drill their teeth out of their head.

just wondering

 

[saint]

saint

There is one reason I could never consider dentistry.

And that is the fear and dread that almost all of us have of
going to the dentist. I mean do you ever have anyone that comes in and says.....Glad to be here ?

Not sure if you have to deal with that now.

I think I would just strap the gas on them and drill their teeth out of their head.

just wondering

Yeah it happens with a lot of people, and I consider myself good at calming their fears. That is one of the primary reasons I am going into Pediatric Dentistry. Most peoples fears are from bad experiences at an early age, which then stays w/ them the rest of their life. It's nice to have a chance with kids to give them positive experiences so that it isn't as bad when they are adults. But chit...i've got my fair share of fillings and I've never enjoyed going.

 

[THE KOD]

saint

how about the new laser that supposedly is painless ?

I might be able to deal with kids easier, but damn I can't imagine trying to calm down a five year old so you can work on his/her teeth. Especially with the parents close by. The little spoiled brats.

I guess I would rather go to the dentist than a heart surgeon.

But the dentist is right in your face.

I get the gas to get my teeth cleaned. The last time I went I looked up out of the fog and the dentist had come in. He had on so much gear and protective shields it was something else.

Well I have forgotten about how pissed I was at Doctors bills now.
thanks

 

[dr. freeze]

the operation usually takes less than an hour

anesthesiologists are getting paid better than surgeons right now

again, you continue to look like an ass

 

[dr. freeze]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=177299

here are some anesthesiologists explaining it themselves as to why they make more

 

[djv]

Why do Doc's get more then minimum wage? Education. But why do they want to be Doc's. Is it self serving. For money. Or To try and make a mark in life and to help folks. I would guess years ago to leave a mark. Now it's money.

 

[Bombs]

I have no idea why Dr. Freeze is engaging these people in this discussion. People saying that Surgeons work 40 hour work weeks have simply no idea what the hell they are talking about. I'm a transitional year intern, and I work about 60-80 hours a week on floor services, and I can tell you that, on average, the attending surgeons at my hospital work about 70-80 hours a week.

You have absolutely no clue.

 

[Bombs]

Why do Doc's get more then minimum wage? Education. But why do they want to be Doc's. Is it self serving. For money. Or To try and make a mark in life and to help folks. I would guess years ago to leave a mark. Now it's money.

You've got it backwards.

Years ago it was money, when doctors were treated like kings and laughed all the way to the bank.

Doctor salaries have fallen, and the prestige and respect in the community has dissipated.

If you want to make money now, go into business, or become a trial lawyer.

Sure, there are some surgical specialties in medicine where you can make a lot of money, but they are accompanied by about 8-12 years of post medical school training where you make squat, tons of stress, and very long hours as an attending.

 

[THE KOD]

People saying that Surgeons work 40 hour work weeks have simply no idea what the hell they are talking about. I'm a transitional year intern, and I work about 60-80 hours a week on floor services, and I can tell you that, on average, the attending surgeons at my hospital work about 70-80 hours a week.

You have absolutely no clue.

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So Bombs would you be willing to discuss what you
know about Doctors salarys for a few minutes ?

Or like freeze you just want to cry about the hours ? How many hours do you sleep in a back room with your pager turned off ?

Let me know

 

[THE KOD]

Sure, there are some surgical specialties in medicine where you can make a lot of money, but they are accompanied by about 8-12 years of post medical school training where you make squat, tons of stress, and very long hours as an attending.

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Here is a idea.

Once we cut the Doctors pay in half.

We give it to the post medical school doctors and the attending physicians.

See what I mean ?

The money is not being allocated correctly is all that I am saying.

 

[Bombs]

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So Bombs would you be willing to discuss what you
know about Doctors salarys for a few minutes ?

Or like freeze you just want to cry about the hours ? How many hours do you sleep in a back room with your pager turned off ?

Let me know

Number of hours sleeping with my pager off on an average call: zero.

Number of hours of sleep on an average call with my pager on: about .75 (I have actually calculated this)

You have absolutely no idea what call is like. You see the hospital through a very limited perspective. Come on here and talk about doctors not communicating, cutting wrong legs off, sleeping in back rooms, screwing around on their yachts.

Frankly, it is ignorant, and it is insulting.

 

[THE KOD]

equipment adds up to most of the overhead

if you dive deep into hospital books, which you obviously haven't, you will see why medicine costs so much/ drfreeze
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Hospitals should all be required to charge the exact same thing as every other hospital. It should be regulated.

Set a price for it and everyone uses it.

Recycle older equipment to other hospitals down the line that don't have one, or can't afford one. Keep costs reasonable so the average american will not get one illness and go bankrupt.

If you don't, then the people of America will speak. We are tired as hell and we are not going to take it any more. I think that was in a TV movie.

The times they are a changing

 

[Bombs]

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Here is a idea.

Once we cut the Doctors pay in half.

We give it to the post medical school doctors and the attending physicians.

See what I mean ?

The money is not being allocated correctly is all that I am saying.

This makes no sense. Do you even know what an "attending physician" is. Clearly, from what you wrote here, the answer is no. Once again, buy a clue.

 

[THE KOD]

Number of hours sleeping with my pager off on an average call: zero.

Frankly, it is ignorant, and it is insulting.

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Bombs

If I may talk serious to you for a minute.

I know you don't want to discuss this as its money out of your pocket. Its in your best interest to keep things going just like they are.

You state the number of hours sleeping with my pager off on a average call. You mean a shift ? What is a average call ? that makes no sense.

Geez you people are starting to get on
my last nerve.

 

[THE KOD]

This makes no sense. Do you even know what an "attending physician" is. Clearly, from what you wrote here, the answer is no. Once again, buy a clue.

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Bombs

I admit I don't know. I just now started looking into this. I have alot of questions. Nothing is ever solved without discussions. Maybe we need some people that think a little differantly. Instead we get the big med companys running things.

I was hoping some reasonable Drs
would come in here and discuss it. So far that
has not happened. Just ones that want to attack
from all sides. The truth will come out one way or another. There are a changes in the wind.

 

[dr. freeze]

anything we say is discredited by your ignorance

so it is pointless to discuss this matter further

then you have mr. senile himself, djv, tell us why we go into medicine

its bullshit and i have had enough

 

[THE KOD]

Most peoples fears are from bad experiences at an early age, which then stays w/ them the rest of their life. It's nice to have a chance with kids to give them positive experiences so that it isn't as bad when they are adults. .

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saint

not to get off the subject of solving the American Health Care problem, but

After reading that, I was able to recall my first bad experience at a dentist.

I would have been about 8 and I was seeing our family dentist the one we used for years. The Dr was very businesslike and competant. He was friendly and professional. Everyone loved him. A pillar of the community.

Then one day I was getting a filling done.

He asked my mom if she wanted to stay in the room. She said no and left. There went my only hope of survival I thought. Now it was just me
and this dentist and the nurse who was sucking my mouth out continuously with that suction thing and making me spit into small little white bowls with swirling water.

I look over and see these instruments on the counter laying on a white towel. Sharp ones with hooks. There were many shapes and sizes for him to choose from. Big ones, little ones, what a selection.

My dentist, the one I trusted, picked up several
and couldn't seem to make up his mind. I was thinking no no no not that one. Not that one...

At some point in time, the silver filling would not go down into my tooth properly. So the dentist. My dentist, the one who had never hurt me.
Here he comes.

I had no novicane as it wasn't supposed to be
that big of a deal. Wasn't necessary he said to my mother.

I trusted him. My Aunts all went to this Dentist. My grandfather too. Everything would be ok and I would be outside playing with my friends in just a few minutes.

So he puts the mirror and the hook thing into my mouth, then he hooks the silver that was caught in the filling area, and puts a great deal of pressure on the tooth. Just then the tool with the hook on the end slipped off the silver filling and into my gum.

I think he said oopsy or something stupid.

Now I was a strong little shit at 8.

Oopsy. I thought as I sat there in shock. My Dentist had just stuck a barbed thing through my gum and all he could say was oopsy.

I jumped up out of that dentist chair, spun around
and kicked the dentist, my dentist, right in the groin. The nurse rushed out of the room and my mom ran in.

The Dentist, my dentist looked up at her, gasping.

I thought that the dentist, my dentist, was going to get up and strike my mom, so I jumped on him and bit his leg so hard it required stiches and a tetanus shot.

The police were called and I was taken away in handcuffs with bleeding gums.

Geezz I had stuffed that one way back there somewhere.

Thanks alot saint.

 

[dr. freeze]

if people like you had it your way, it would be just like burger king -- your way right away

burger flipper would be doing cardiothoracic surgery and french fry man would be delivering chemotherapy

just what we all want huh