Looks like Hillary is gearing up for 08

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Personally not my favorite choice, and I would take McCain or another Centerist over her, but if the Republican's run another guy or gal that is a radical religious right wing guy that must cater to the Jerry Falwell's of this world then shw will get my support.


Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, considered a likely presidential contender in 2008, told supporters of her 2006 Senate reelection bid on Monday that America can no longer "give in" to the Republican agenda.

The administration of President Bush wants to stifle debate and suppress facts on issues from the deficit to global warming, Clinton told a crowd of more than 900 people at a "New York Women for Hillary" fund-raiser.

"There has never been an administration, I don't think in our history, more intent on consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda," said Clinton.

The New York event was the first high-profile fund-raiser of her re-election bid, and has served as an occasion for a new round of speculation over her presidential prospects.

The former first lady is favored to win a second Senate term next year, but Republicans are expected to run a tough and heavily funded campaign against her as a prelude to any possible bid by Clinton for the White House in 2008.

"The Republicans will spend a lot of money against her next year," said Ann Lewis, communications director for Clinton's campaign. "They've been very open about their intention to do as much damage to her as they can."

Among those believed to be weighing a Republican challenge for her Senate seat are Edward Cox, son-in-law of the late President Richard Nixon; Westchester County., N.Y., District Attorney Jeanine Pirro and former Yonkers, N.Y., Mayor John Spencer, who announced plans last week to seek his party's nomination.

It was critical for Democrats to capture Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008, Clinton said.

Analysts say Clinton would be a strong candidate for her party's presidential nomination, but she could be hampered in a general-election race by her status as a lightning rod for conservative criticism ever since the administration of her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

AWAKE AT NIGHT

"I stay awake at night thinking about all the mistakes and the wrong direction and all the bad decisions being made in Washington," she said. "It's very hard to stop people who have no shame about what they're doing. It's very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth.

"We cannot give them (Republicans) another two years of majority. We cannot give them another four years after that," she said.

She characterized the Bush administration's financial priorities as tax cuts for the wealthy and funding the war in Iraq rather than the needs of Americans who lack health insurance, affordable housing and good schools.

"We can't ever, ever give in to the Republican agenda," she said. "It is not good for New York, and it is not good for America.

The next nomination of a U.S. Supreme Court justice, as early as this summer, will be "excruciating," she noted.

"He (Bush) wants to nominate someone, I believe, who will be a confrontational nominee so he can provide support to his far-right extremist base," she said.

The event raised $250,000, organizers said. Supporters took home "Give 'em Hill" bumper stickers.

The Clintons are among the Democrats' biggest fund-raisers. Her campaign raised almost $4 million in the first three months of 2005 and had $8.7 million on hand at the end of the first quarter.

She spent about $30 million in her 2000 Senate campaign, her first attempt at political office.
 

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if she stays her current course...and keeps talking the talk(tough on immigration...tough on iraq....pro choice to a point...and with parental consent on abortion for minors)....and runs against say, a mccain,she may very well get a good deal of crossover support......

even from dreaded neocons like myself...

despite having lousy legs...

of course,she`ll have to pander to the base with some "republicans are monsters" rhetoric....that`s expected...and accepted....as long as she falls short of the howard dean ravings...

just as long as she doesn`t waiver on her recent policy proclamations...
 
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Yeah, that could be interesting. Righties like GW crossing over to Hillary and centrists like Master Capper and myself voting for McCain.
 

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it`ll be nice to feel arrogant and be condescending.... and have the moral highground for a change.....

i can`t wait....
 

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Beauty!

Nothing like having Hillary to light a fire under any possible passive Republican voters.

Yeah, it could be bigger than the great Ohio homophobe drive of 2004.
 

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IntenseOperator said:
A W is a W Kosar :)


It works for me.

lol- Yes, a *W* is a *W*, but unfortunately for our country, he'll likely go down in history as a great big *L*. Except to the bible thumpers of course.
 

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By Brit Hume



Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:

New York Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton (search) Monday accused what she called "dictatorship of the Republican leadership" of manipulating facts and smearing Democrats (search) to gain political advantage.

Speaking in Manhattan at her first major re-election fund-raiser, Clinton said, "There has never been an administration ... more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda. ... it's frustrating for me: Why can't the Democrats do more to stop them? I can tell you this: It's very hard to stop people who have no shame about what they're doing. ... It is very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth."

Clinton cited no specifics of fact manipulation

Hmm Can't say I seen any media from the right getting caught in flagrant lies.fraudulant documents ect

Abuse of pwer?? Would seem to me that boths sides presented their ideas at election and the people made the choice.
--and the last line is the clincher--
" It is very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth."
Do I really need to go into that--maybe she "can't recall"
 

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It still utterly mystifies me why Hillary is so hated by the Far Right.

Noone will ever convince me that is it anything but resentment at seeing a strong woman with a career. Pretty sad.
 

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which is exactly why you are unable to relate to anyone who is conservative

your perceptions are whacked

First, few actually hate her....people such as myself do not like her liberal politics as well as the way she handles her marriage. She has absolutely no honor as she has been married to Mr. Infidelity knowingly for decades and has used this to get the power she wants and could really care less about anything else. Say what you want about politicians as none of them are really honest people and American marriages are as pathetic as they have ever been, but Hillary is a poster child for both of these problems in the mind of the Conservative.

Second, you are always hung up on these misguided perceptions about "women in power" and seem to translate your liberal humanities indoctrination as all "conservatives hate women in business" which is absurd. Perpetuating myths is one great trick of the leftists and this is one great example in how they can discredit anything Conservatives actually believe in by totally distorting their personal views. You do a great job.

If this were so, Kay Bailey Hutchinson would not have a chance to win the Governorship of Texas, Condy Rice would not be a hit with Conservatives, Elizabeth Dole would not be a Senator, etc. etc.
 

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Yeah, and Barbara married George for his boyish good looks and his brains. The fact is your ilk attacked her BEFORE Clinton even was sworn in.

Freeze, the "mind of the Conservative" is chock FULL of "problems" - let's not go there. And by that I mean the "religious" version of Conservative.

Would you expect me to do anything but discredit your beliefs? IMO, they are WRONG 90% of the time.

You should be well acquainted with myth perpetuation by the way.

How many times did you toss "liberal" around just now? "Liberal humanities indoctrination"? There was a poll posted here recently and I came up 45% Conservative. I would say that pretty much puts me in the Center. So I am not the long-haired Molotov Cocktail throwing mythological cartoon Berkeley hippie liberal you imagine me to be.

Anyway, remember we DID agree on the many Big Yankee Lies about the South and the erosion of States Rights that has destroyed the original and intended form of our Constitutional Government.

Peace. Long Live Dixie.
 

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ocelot said:
Noone will ever convince me that is it anything but resentment at seeing a strong woman with a career. Pretty sad.

you see what you want

sounds like you feel fine flying blind

enjoy your world
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Abuse of pwer?? Would seem to me that boths sides presented their ideas at election and the people made the choice.
--and the last line is the clincher--
" It is very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth."
Do I really need to go into that--maybe she "can't recall"

Just because a party wins a landslide 50-48% election doesn't mean that they can do wtf they want. Her comments were right on the money and much different in tone and scope than the nutty Howard Deans comments lately.

As far as your constant 'can't recall' jabs go, I would love to see a 'special prosecutor' who has unlimited funds and unlimited leeway like Starr did, have a look at every second of the lives of W, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith and the rest of this smarmy admin. Now, *that* would be fun!

For Christs sake, Cheney won't even let the country know who was on his energy committee and what they talked about.
 

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IO, when you finish performing your Lewinski on W, maybe you can get up off your knees, get some fresh air. It might clear your head.
 

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I agree Matt in fact I think I stated he's let some of these things go to his head--not the same person before winning 2nd term as after--I'll grantyou that.

"It still utterly mystifies me why Hillary is so hated by the Far Right.
Noone will ever convince me that is it anything but resentment at seeing a strong woman with a career. Pretty sad."

Can't speak for other conservatives centrist or liberals but will cllear up the "mystication 'on my part (off the top of my head"

Whether person was woman or man I don't like people who dupe the public for money--starting with Whitewater larceny,firing white house staff to hire own relatives--taking money from 10 most wanted to further support her,Bill and her brothers pocketbook.
Don't care for anyone the miltary hates--while everyone on floor was giving standing support of war after 911 she's scowling and rolling her eyes--hope you didn't miss the troops gestures when she did her campaighn stint to Iraq.
I don't trust anyone with Arkansaw Alzeihmers who selectively can't recall over 50 events that happened in past 4 years.
She tried to snow the military and they wouldn't buy it--She tried to snow New Zealanders and they caught her"told em she was named after their hero Sir Edmund Hilliary and he wasn't even famous yet when she was born--was a bee keeper I believe. In 96 cailmed she wrote periodical in 6 months by longhand but was found to pay ghost writer $120,000 to do it.

I could do a couple of pages but you get my drift-- maybe you could tell us where she stands on--
The War,Taxes, Same sex marriages ect.
if you can you'll be the 1st because she has done her dance routine around most important issues making it a point not to committ either way. Not the type of person I would want to represent me as an attorney let alone pres of U.S.
 

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Save your fingers BTB

The dope says nobody will convince him otherwise. :rolleyes:

Sounds like a bitter phuck to me.

Glad I'm not in his shoes :)

If Eddie just could have worked a little harder in Ohio, who knows......... lol
 

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You are the bitter one IO. Why do you despise women so much? Is your boss a woman?

DTB: The "military" is not the monolithic voting block thta you would have them to be in your neocon fantasy world. I work in the defense industry in a town next to one of the largest military bases and there are plenty of soldiers who have problems with the leadership and this war. Have you noticed that recruiting goals in the military have fallen short for the first time in what 20 years or so?

(I suppose you have forgotten the "troops" putting Rumsfeld on the spot about their equipment. Or the MILITARY officer who ran as a DEMOCRATIC candidate.)

And as for the women in the military I bet you didn't see any of them "rolling" their eyes at our future President. In fact, I challenge you to produce evidence that ANYONE did so - not that it probably didn't happen but I suspect this is another neocon myth that has been exagerrated in the minds of the UltraRight.

Remember the one about how the military would revolt against Bill when he first took office? There are people from the entire political spectrum in our military. The day that there isn't is the day we really have to worry about democracy.
 

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I said before the country is not ready for any woman for at least another 8 to 12 years.
But if she runs and Reb's take her for granted she could win.
 
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