in game chatter game 4

[Weemz]

Best 2 out of 3

Best 2 out of 3

It's a new 3 game series.

With 3 days between games both teams will ready on Sunday. This should be the best game of the series by far. The first 4 games mean nothing. Both teams have played 2 shit games and 2 great games. Karl Malone last year & Rashweed Wallace, seriously? He was a waste of space for the Lakers.

3 days between games, ridiculous !!

 

[Scott4USC]

It's a new 3 game series.

With 3 days between games both teams will ready on Sunday. This should be the best game of the series by far. The first 4 games mean nothing. Both teams have played 2 shit games and 2 great games. !!

I agree. Extra day helps Spurs and Pistons would like to play game 5 ASAP!

Karl Malone last year & Rashweed Wallace, seriously? He was a waste of space for the Lakers.

Karl Malone 2004 regular season stats

Averaged 13 points per game and shot 48%!!!!! Averaged 8 rebounds per game with 4 assists per game. Not impressed?

Karl Malone 2004 Postseason stats.

round 1 averaged 18pts, 10 boards
round 2 averaged 10pts, 8 boards
round 3 averaged 12pts 9 boards
round 4 averaged 5pts (against Pistons where severely injured)

Karl Malones average shooting % was 45% in first 3 rounds in playoffs.

Anybody still think Malone was a waste of space???


For fun comparison, lets see how R. Wallace #'s stack up in 2005 Postseason and regular season. I couldn't find 2004 stats for post season.

Wallace this years playoffs averaged, 17, 13, 14, and 9. Regular season Wallace averaged 14 ppg. Wallace shot 44% in regular season and 43% in playoffs. IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KARL MALONES #'s and RASHEED WALLACE #'s? Maybe we will find it in rebounds.

R. Wallace averaged 8 rebounds per game in regular season and 7.5 rebounds in playoffs. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT KARL MALONE AVERAGED REBOUNDING? Maybe we will find difference in assists.

Nope, Wallace averaged 2 assists in season and 1-2 in playoffs while Malone was averaging 3 assists per game!!!!!

Maybe R. Wallace was different player in 2004 as I am taking 2005 stats. No wait, R. Wallace was WORSE in 2004. Look at his regular season stats in 2004.

R. Wallace averaged only 6 rebounds per game, shot 43% (lower than Malone), 2 assists pg, and scored 16ppg. I guess Wallace beats Malone out only in ppg by 3pts.

You people need to get your facts straight.

CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

i agree with both of those statements. you cant run and say its over just because a team wins 2 home games in a row. its typical the way the mind works. everyone assumes.


well assume this: pistons still play another in detroit, and if they win on sunday, call me RASHEED, but i am guaranteeing they win this series.

all you public all over the spurs after games one and two are shaking in your shit right now, arent you??????????? step up and play the game. SA looks like garbage, and i dont think its going to get better. the pistons defense (not offense) is going to win this series. when you only turn the ball over 4 times, you ARENT going to lose the game, even if you shoot 35%. thats a fact, and thats how detroit plays. what a series this has turned out to be.

Jalen and Pistons fans,

I like the Pistons because they have made me a lot of money in the playoffs. But the Pistons are the biggest babies I have ever seen. No wonder no one likes the NBA. Every time this team loses it because of the officials. They bitch and whine every time they lose a game. It happened against the Pacers, Heat, and now the Spurs.

The fans are even worse... I hope the Spurs win because when they lose they have the class and dignity to actually CREDIT the other team for playing better that game. The Pistons will probably win game 5 and then go back to San Antonio leading 3-2.

The Spurs will then demolish in game 6, and I bet we hear from both the players, coach, and fans it was the REFEREES fault. It is always the referee, because to the Pistons fans they are incapable of committing a foul.

 

[maverick2112]

It is not baloney. I can't dig up data because my computer currently has java disabled but I will get back to you on the top 3 players playing injured or missing against Pistons in last years playoffs AND 3 teams Pistons played this year. Media never talks about it but Pistons have had a free ride!

Excuse...........just go to nba.com and look at the minutes played by the starters of Mil,NJ,Ind and Lakers........I agree Malone was injured for LA.......

For starters Lakers had no backup center, and no backup PF's. So if Lakers best PF and 3rd best player and 3rd best scorer can't play, it would be more devastating than Tony Parker not playing for Spurs and R. Wallace not playing for Pistons. That laker roster outside of Kobe, Shaq, and Malone was GARBAGE! Malone was still playing great as Laker. Defense and offensively. Maybe you think Brian Cook and Slava are outstanding centers and PF's? That is what Lakers had! It was no contest. Top that off with Shaq being overweight and lazy. Defensively Lakers had nobody and offensively Lakers had only shaq. shaq played well offensively but got tired at end of 3/5 games.

That tired and lazy Shaq won 4 straight against this same Spurs squad........FOUR STRAIGHT..........

This is the problem with some of your posts.........you harp and harp on how bad the Lakers were in essence giving the Pistons no kudos for beating them in 5............BUT..........on the other hand you fail to mention that this so called bad, bad, Lakers squad beat San Antonio in 4 straight with 3 of those 4 games being blowouts......gms 3,4 and 6.

I also think Indiana would have beaten Pistons if Ron Artest was playing and Tinsely AND Oneal 100%.

No way........they had both these guys healthy and lost to DET last yr in 6.......again you need to do more research.........


AND FINALLY........IN THE LAST 2 YRS THE PISTONS ARE 30-15 IN THE PLAYOFFS........THATS 67%.........IN 8 SERIES.......PRETTY DAMN GOOD RECORD.......so go one with your injured players bs etc etc.........winning every 2 out of 3 games will win championships in any league..............

 

[Scott4USC]

You keep saying this baloney.......who was injured on Milwaukee, who was hurt on NJ?? Dont say Jason Kidd.....he played full minutes on all games...........Who was hurt on Indiana???
Even though Malone was injured, do you really think it would have made that much of a difference, I mean the guy was like 40 yrs old and the Pistons almost swept....maybe if he played the whole series the Lakers would have won a couple of games but no way they win 4.......Its about time you start giving these Pistons some respect.........even though Wade was hurt he still played in gm 7 and the Pistons still won......

:nono: :nono: :nono:

I said when I got java back I would get back to you on this. Here you go!

Bucks TJ FORD who was starting PG for Bucks for 55 games until injury. He did not play against Pistons. Pistons beat a less than 100% Bucks squad missing there starting PG.


2nd round against Nets, Jason Kidd played injured. ?The star point guard has struggled with a knee injury, and there has been speculation that his back hurts, too. But Kidd refused to talk about his injuries during the series -- or after.? (ESPN) Kidd also played poorly for Nets in the series. Kidd is prob. the #1 player for Nets. Detroit still managed to lose 3 games to Nets despite there star player not anywhere near 100%.

No way........they had both these guys healthy and lost to DET last yr in 6.......again you need to do more research.........

:nono: :nono: :nono:

Conf. finals starting center J. Oneal and starting PG J. Tinsley were injured but playing. ?Jermaine O'Neal, slowed by a knee injury, scored 20 points to lead the Pacers.? (ESPN) Indiana?s PF was also playing injured. ?Pacers F Al Harrington, bothered by a bruised sternum and twisted ankle, missed all four of his shots? (ESPN) Detroit still managed to lose 2 games to Indiana despite Indiana star player playing injured and 4th best player starting PG injured as well.

In finals Detroit played Lakers. Lakers had there 3rd best player and 3rd best scoring option Malone ?severely? injured. I also ?think? Kobe wasn?t 100% either (physically and mentally) and Shaq was out of shape (that is something we knew in advance and no excuses for).

This years playoffs Pistons beat Sixers who?s 2nd best player Webber wasn?t 100%. Then play Miami in conf. finals with Shaq being nowhere near 100% and Wade suffering crucial injury in game 5 and missed 2h. Pistons still lost game 5. Then Wade missed game 6 where Pistons won, and plays severely injured in game 7 where he was ineffective in 1h. Not to mention starting forward Haslem had bad injury to hand for games 1 and 2 against Pistons where he shot and played horrible. He played well after that!

In finals against Spurs, Duncan has both ankles not 100%, Ginobili suffers thigh injury in start of game 3 and just so happens Detroits murders SA in games 3 and 4. Same thigh injury that Shaq suffered that sat Shaq out for weeks! Spurs also had Devin Brown injured prior to playoffs and is not in regular playoff rotation (like he was in season) because of that injury. He was a big time contributor for Spurs in regular season. Duncan #1 player Spurs, Gino #2 and Brown #4 or #5.

These are facts! Not making anything up. There is a reason Detroit doesn?t get the respect from everyone because they benefit from unfortunate circumstances to their opponents. This is a LUCKY team. I just proved it. Want more proof besides injuries? How about Artest blowing up and getting TF in last years playoffs. I don?t think Indiana loses series if Artest didn?t do that. ANOTHER LUCKY BREAK FOR DETROIT! This year with Artest being suspended for playoffs and Detroit not having to face Indiana at full strength. Pacers missing 2nd best player and 2/3 best players in this years team are playing injured. I am not saying Detroit couldn?t beat any of these teams with them being 100% healthy or as healthy as Detroit. What I am saying is we will never know and you cannot give Detroit 100% respect because they have not played and beaten opponents at 100% health. THAT IS A FACT nobody can dispute. Now Detroit has no control of this and I respect them for going out and getting the job done. But they have no choice but to admit they have been a very fortunate team and all the Detroit players and fans will never be 100% confident they were the best team in last years playoffs or even this years playoffs (if they beat SA). They can deny it all they want but it is the truth. That is sad for Detroit because I would think they want to know 100% sure they were the best team in playoffs. Instead, they don?t just beat 1 injured team, but MULTIPLE injured teams in playoff(s). I find it odd the media praises Detroit to no end but never brings this issue up. I am not afraid too! Sorry if this offends Detroit fans but it is the truth! Not making anything up.

 

[James Witt]

Where did I say games 1 and 2 were called fairly? I said games 1/2 were officiated differently


I agree and that is what I hate about the NBA. I wonder how this series would go and turn out if it was played on neutral court. Amazing how the refs are swayed by home crowd. At least I hope its the home crowd swaying the refs!

Ever get the feeling there's a difference in degree, not kind, between NBA and WWF?

I don't think some people here are giving you enough credit; I've been impressed by your analysis over the past year.

Basketball is extremely easy to queer through reffing. Football is easy too. There is always a plausible if not valid reason for calling/not calling a foul. In my opinion, although baseball may not be the national pastime it was last century, it will always endure because it is one of very few sports in which it is difficult for the umpires to alter the outcomes.

Look at it like this. All the ref in an NBA game has to do is let one of those bruisers run you flat and not call it, and you think how likely you'd be to play hard-core defense the next time. Same with drives to the hoop. IMO, it takes about 2.5 bogus calls or non-calls to shatter confidence and alter the complexion of a game and thereby the outcome. From the league's point of view, the longer the series the better. More ads, more money, more happy home crowds. No, the announcers aren't going to tell you the truth. There's no percentage in it. Just like you're not going to get the truth about politics from a Sunday morning talking head.

 

[maverick2112]

Bucks TJ FORD who was starting PG for Bucks for 55 games until injury. He did not play against Pistons. Pistons beat a less than 100% Bucks squad missing there starting PG.

Scott this example is bush league.........the Bucks played the whole second half of the season without Ford. They made the playoffs without Ford..........thats like saying a team is injured when a players is hurt in preason........again terrible and unfair example.......

2nd round against Nets, Jason Kidd played injured. ?The star point guard has struggled with a knee injury, and there has been speculation that his back hurts, too. But Kidd refused to talk about his injuries during the series -- or after.? (ESPN) Kidd also played poorly for Nets in the series. Kidd is prob. the #1 player for Nets. Detroit still managed to lose 3 games to Nets despite there star player not anywhere near 100%.

Another Joke...........Kidd played 45 minutes in gm 6 and game 7.......45 out of 48 minutes.........how injured could he have been??? Another bad example.........you act as if Kidd didnt even contribute.....how many players would play 45 out of 48 minutes if he was hurt as bad as you make it seem........Hell gm 5 he played 57 minutes in a triple overtime game..........YEAH HE WAS REALLY HURT BAD........

Conf. finals starting center J. Oneal and starting PG J. Tinsley were injured but playing. ?Jermaine O'Neal, slowed by a knee injury, scored 20 points to lead the Pacers.? (ESPN) Indiana?s PF was also playing injured. ?Pacers F Al Harrington, bothered by a bruised sternum and twisted ankle, missed all four of his shots? (ESPN) Detroit still managed to lose 2 games to Indiana despite Indiana star player playing injured and 4th best player starting PG injured as well.

gm1 Tinsley...33 Oneill 45
gm2 19 40
gm3 30 42
gm4 20 38
gm5 27 38
gm 3 41............

another example where you say how injured these guys were but they both played pretty normal minutes when compared to regular season numbers with the exception of the last game when Tinsley torn his hamstring......but he played a lot of minutes in the previous games.......Al Harrington????? are you serious....the Pacers thought so much of this guy they traded him in the offseason so who cares......he didnt play that much anyhow..

Heres are you so called FACTS........you say how injured a teams players are but they seem to put the minutes in........if they were injured as bad as you make them sound.....they would be in street
clothes...........and again to bring up Milwaukees Pg Ford is crazy......the guy missed half the season.........

Want more proof besides injuries? How about Artest blowing up and getting TF in last years playoffs. I don?t think Indiana loses series if Artest didn?t do that.

Scott be real....... they lost the series in 6 games after having the HCA and they lost game 5 at home by 15 points.........WHATS INDIANAS EXCUSE FOR THIS???

What I am saying is we will never know and you cannot give Detroit 100% respect because they have not played and beaten opponents at 100% health.

Scott.......you shouldl realize that after a 70 some game season.......no teams is ever 100%.......teams may be at full strength but they all have bumps and bruises from the long grind........

But they have no choice but to admit they have been a very fortunate team and all the Detroit players and fans will never be 100% confident they were the best team in last years playoffs or even this years playoffs (if they beat SA).

I am not a huge fan of any basketball team but I can say with 100% assurance that Detroit WAS THE BEST TEAM LAST YEAR.........AND IF THEY BEAT SA THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM THIS YEAR.......Miami has no excuse either........they should have won gm 1 WHEN SHAQ AND WADE were ready and coming off a long rest......I know all the players and the fans will tell you Det has been the best team the last 2 yrs if the beat SA.........you sound kind of silly demeaning the validity of possible back to back championships.........(and I said possible).....this season is still far from over...............

 

[snoozer]

I guess you don't remember last year, when Rasheed and a serious foot injury that hampered him during the entire playoff run.

How come NJ, Indy, Indy this year, Miami were all healthy enough to play detroit the a full series, just not healthy enough to win? How come NJ was healthy enough to be up 3-1 last year, just not get the 4th win. Indy up 2-1 with 2 games at home. Miami up 3-2 and a 5 point lead in the 4th quarter of game 7

If you look at every game in this series and also Det/Miami, the more aggressive team in getting the calls. Detroit came out (except game 1 vs SA) slow and they paid for it. In the games where they are the more aggressive team, they get the calls. It is the same with every team.

Detroit was in the bottom of the league in fouls this year, I think only one team commited less fouls per game than detroit.

People need to let the officaiting go. When Detroit was losing to Miami, everyone whined in detroit about the refs. When detroit started winning, Miami people whined. Detroit whined the first 2 games of the series, now SA people are whining

 

[Scott4USC]

I don't think some people here are giving you enough credit; I've been impressed by your analysis over the past year. .

Thanks! I agree with what you said. Especially team on road. Give home team 2-3 bogus calls, especially if each of those bogus calls result in 5pt swings, and you are toast. Games are benig officiated differently at both locations and it is extremely unfair to both clubs. And this gives huge advantage to Spurs because they have 1 more home game than Pistons. That is not fair and not right. Another thing I noticed is at end of games 3 and 4 @Detroit, refs would start calling physical fouls on Detroit, but well after the game is in hand. I guess Detroit starts playing physical when game is in hand. A classis example is RIP and his fouls. He gets called offensive foul at end of game, but not called once for his many offensive fouls throughout the game. Only at end of game. What a joke.

Do you get the feeling no matter what outcome we have tonight, the NBA will whistle a game 7? When was last time NBA finals had game 7 and this years playoff ratings are low. They need a game 7. I think it is much easier for NBA to whistle Detroit tonight and Spurs game 6. NBA might be in trouble if Spurs win tonight.

Scott this example is bush league.........the Bucks played the whole second half of the season without Ford. They made the playoffs without Ford..........that?s like saying a team is injured when a players is hurt in preason........again terrible and unfair example.......

and again to bring up Milwaukees Pg Ford is crazy......the guy missed half the season.........

:nono: :nono: :nono:

TJ Ford played and stared 55 games for the Bucks. TJ Ford started and played in 67% of the games for Bucks! (not 50%) Bucks record with TJ Ford 29-26, Bucks record without TJ Ford is 12-15. :yup
52% winning percentage with Ford and a 44% winning percentage without Ford. Lets not forget Ford was playing MUCH better basketball in his last 20+ games as a Buck vs his first 20+ games. Don't forget that! But that is an opinion, everything else I stated is a FACT! Still think this example is bush league?

Another Joke...........Kidd played 45 minutes in gm 6 and game 7.......45 out of 48 minutes.........how injured could he have been??? Another bad example.........you act as if Kidd didnt even contribute.....how many players would play 45 out of 48 minutes if he was hurt as bad as you make it seem........Hell gm 5 he played 57 minutes in a triple overtime game..........YEAH HE WAS REALLY HURT BAD.........

FYI, you still can log minutes playing injured. Didn't Kobe recently play in playoffs with a separated shoulder? I can list 100's of examples of players playing injured. Kidd played and had some bad games against Detroit. Partly because of Detroit?s defense but prob. more to do with his injuries. He was playing with 2 injuries and Kidd is type not to complain or talk about it. So therefore you prob. were not aware of it! But he was injured, that is a fact! Didn't he miss a large part of this season recovering from that injury? Maybe he got injured during off season!

This answers your statement about minutes played with Indiana. Pacer(s) were not 100% against Pistons and Kidd was not 100% against Pistons. I am not talking about bumps and bruises/ticky tack injuries.

Scott.......you shouldl realize that after a 70 some game season.......no teams is ever 100%.......teams may be at full strength but they all have bumps and bruises from the long grind........

These are not just bumps and bruises and these injuries are to star players and to not just 1, or even 2 but MULTIPLE teams Pistons have faced. MULTIPLE TEAMS Pistons have faced. That my friend, is being fortunate.

I am not a huge fan of any basketball team but I can say with 100% assurance that Detroit WAS THE BEST TEAM LAST YEAR.........AND IF THEY BEAT SA THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM THIS YEAR.......Miami has no excuse either........they should have won gm 1 WHEN SHAQ AND WADE were ready and coming off a long rest......I know all the players and the fans will tell you Det has been the best team the last 2 yrs if the beat SA.........you sound kind of silly demeaning the validity of possible back to back championships.........(and I said possible).....this season is still far from over...............
:clap: :clap:

I am sorry, a series is 7 games and as I have proven, Pistons are fortunate they repeatedly did not have to beat any teams at full strength. It is quite remarkable if you think about. LOOK AT HOW MANY TEAMS WERE WOUNDED PLAYING THE PISTONS! Give me a break. Nobody can say 100% certain Pistons are the best team because they never beat anybody who was at full strength.

If Yankees make playoffs this year, and there 1st round opponent leadoff hitter is injured and plays, 2nd round best pitcher is injured but plays, 3rd round opponents best hitter and 2nd best pitcher injured but plays, and World Series best opponents relief pitcher injured and Yankees win it all. Congrats to Yankees but you can't say 100% certain they are the best team. They didn't beat anybody at full strength. IN both examples we are talking about STAR players! STAR PLAYERS! Losing 1 player in MLB is nowhere near as significant as losing 1 player in NBA but it is a close enough example. Makes my argument stronger! Of course it is a matter of opinion if you want to give Pistons 100% credit but I don't see how anyone logically can. I would like to see Pistons beat SOMEONE, just SOMEONE at 100% health. PLEASE! Just beat some playoff team at 100% health. 1 team, thats all I ask. :lol:

 

[maverick2112]

I guess you don't remember last year, when Rasheed and a serious foot injury that hampered him during the entire playoff run.

Good point of course you would never hear this from Scott.......its only the Pistons opponents who get injured.........

How come NJ, Indy, Indy this year, Miami were all healthy enough to play detroit the a full series, just not healthy enough to win? How come NJ was healthy enough to be up 3-1 last year, just not get the 4th win. Indy up 2-1 with 2 games at home. Miami up 3-2 and a 5 point lead in the 4th quarter of game 7

Good point........Indy was tied 2-2 last yr with 2 of 3 left at hm but lost gm 5 (pivital game) by 18 at home..........

Of course you are'nt going to get Scott to mention the fact that SA beat Seattle with injured starters Vlad and Rashard Lewis then next round Phoenix starter Joe Johnson misses first 2 games of series.........Oh Yeah........only Detroit runs into injured teams....

 

[Scott4USC]

How come NJ, Indy, Indy this year, Miami were all healthy enough to play detroit the a full series, just not healthy enough to win? How come NJ was healthy enough to be up 3-1 last year, just not get the 4th win. Indy up 2-1 with 2 games at home. Miami up 3-2 and a 5 point lead in the 4th quarter of game 7

My argument was Detroit faced multiple (virtually every opponent) teams that were not 100% and having their "star" player(s) play injured or miss games. Period. You would think Detroit would face at least 1 "quality" opponent who was 100% healthy. Therefore, you cannot say with 100% certainty that Detroit was the best team because almost every opponent they played and beat in last 2 years wasn't 100%. Not making anything up. If you are impressed, that is your opinion.

Of course you are'nt going to get Scott to mention the fact that SA beat Seattle with injured starters Vlad and Rashard Lewis then next round Phoenix starter Joe Johnson misses first 2 games of series.........Oh Yeah........only Detroit runs into injured teams....

I have repeatedly said on MJ's Spurs beat a depleted Sonics squad. Please don't forget the Spurs are not 100% healthy either in these playoffs. There star player (Duncan) was not 100% to start playoffs and got injured further during playoffs.

Spurs had easy series winning one of there championships beating an injured Knicks squad in finals. Not afriad to mention that. But not every playoff opponent Spurs faced was injured. THAT IS MY ARGUMENT! I cannot say the same for Pistons who benefit from fortunate circumstances. Like it or not, it is the truth. I explained it in my last 2 posts.

Oh Yeah........only Detroit runs into injured teams....

No, the difference is I don't know a team who Detroit beat in playoffs that was healthy. :mj07: I do know Detroit has not beaten a healthy team in 2 years in eastern conf. finals and NBA finals. That is a fact!

 

[snoozer]

who was hurt for Indiana last year? Artest healthy, onea healthy, miller healthy.

Why were the Lakers so depleated against Detroit, but they were fine against SA. Last year Malone was not a 'star' player. He was a role player, that started.

Rasheed, I think, would qualify as a star player and he was hurt all last playoff's.

You don't win 2 EC championships, 3 Division titles, and 50 wins over and over by being an average team.

 

[Scott4USC]

who was hurt for Indiana last year? Artest healthy, onea healthy, miller healthy. .

Obviously you did not read post #45 in this thread.

Oneal was not healthy, Tinsely was not healthy, and Harrington was not healthy. Many consider Oneal the #1 player for Pacers and Tinsely the #3/#4 best player. He def. ranks top 3 for importance. Tinsely is the starting PG, Oneal starting C, and Harrington productive PF.

Why were the Lakers so depleated against Detroit, but they were fine against SA. Last year Malone was not a 'star' player. He was a role player, that started. . Rasheed, I think, would qualify as a star player and he was hurt all last playoff's

Malone was severely injured against Pistons. This is a fact. He played big role for Lakers, especially since Lakers had no backup center and backup PF?s were garbage. Obviously he played a bigger role than you ever thought. Now you have been informed!

I take it you did not read post #42. I showed that Malone was a big contributor for the Lakers. Funny you say Malone was not a star player but Rasheed is. Malone put up similar #?s to Rasheed in 2004 and Malones 2004 season IMO was more productive than Rasheeds 2005 season. So why is Rasheed a star player and not Malone when both players are putting up the same production? What is it you have against Malone? You obviously are biased. Anyways, that was not my argument. My argument was Malone was the 3rd best player for Lakers and he was the 3rd best scorer for Lakers. Take out Malone is like taking out the 3rd best player for Spurs (Parker?) or Pistons (R. Wallace?). I think I supported my argument above and beyond.

You don't win 2 EC championships, 3 Division titles, and 50 wins over and over by being an average team.

I never said Pistons were an average team. Hell, I bet couple thousand on Pistons at 5-1 to win the NBA championship this year. I think they are a very good team. But Shaq being hurt was a major reason for my bet and I have proven that Pistons played and beat injured opponents the last 2 playoffs. Not just 1 or 2 teams. Multiple teams in the last 2 years. As a result, you cannot give Pistons 100% credit when they go out and beat teams not at 100%. I would love to see Pistons play and beat a team in Eastern conf. final or NBA finals that were 100%. Just one team. I need to know they are capable of beating an elite team at full strength. I don?t just give out my respect, you have to earn it. Repeatedly catching breaks and beating less than 100% opponents doesn?t earn my respect. :nooo:

Pistons may have been the best team last year (maybe this year) and maybe could beat all those playoff teams last 2 years even if there opponents were healthy. But my point is, WE WILL NEVER KNOW! Because we will never know, you cannot logically say they were the best team if they didn?t even beat 1 team at full strength. JUST ONE FREAKING TEAM!

 

[snoozer]

Malone was out for almost all of last season and the Lakers seem to do ok, so you cannot say he was a major contributor. If you are going to use the TJ Ford arguement, than you cannot use the Malone logic.

 

[Jalen45]

scott do you have money on the spurs this series?

or do you really find a way to hate detroit as much as you do.

nothng they do is EVER right. its always this and that with you. i guess if they beat SA this year, they arent "real champions" because SA wasnt 100%. what can you do? maybe the NBA will keep the rings for next year because detroit wont deserve it.

hmmmm, i dont like the way you think

 

[IntenseOperator]

Spurs won't dump three straight to anyone from the East, no matter who is hurt.

Guess the officials had SA tonight

Nice to see Rasheed show up for one game of the whole series so far.

Over rated wack job :clap:

 

[IntenseOperator]

They're shredding "Sheed" on ESPN over night radio.

 

[Jalen45]

we are not going to sit here and blame rasheed wallace for that loss. thats bullcrap. yea he left the guy open but it shouldnt have got down to that. detroit was up 4 twice in OT and up 2 twice with the ball and couldnt convert a shot or draw a foul. not only that, they (the whole team defense) allowed the spurs to match shot for shot down the stretch in the 4th qtr. rasheed gets in the spotlight because of that one bad mistake, but what about the clutch shot he hit over duncan with the shot clock expiring at the end of the game? what about the 3 or 4 blocks he had on TD? rasheed is an excellent player and defender. no, he shouldnt have left horry open but when you have a chance to trap the teams best shooter in the corner with 5 seconds left in the game, his instinct took over. end of story. det lost, lets not blame RW for that. come on.

 

[pt1gard]

ur right, jalen, give credit to Horry, both teams made many clutch shots ... sheed doofed but deet had many chances to salt it and couldnt convert or get a stop

 

[Weemz]

Robert freaking Horry, unbelievable. This guy has a knack for these dagger shots. Rasheed made a huge mistake but Jalen is right, the Pistons should have not been in that position. They should have closed this game out. I would not surprise me to see Detroit win tomorrow but they would have to play a near perfect game.