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[IntenseOperator]

we are not going to sit here and blame rasheed wallace for that loss. thats bullcrap. yea he left the guy open but it shouldnt have got down to that. detroit was up 4 twice in OT and up 2 twice with the ball and couldnt convert a shot or draw a foul. not only that, they (the whole team defense) allowed the spurs to match shot for shot down the stretch in the 4th qtr. rasheed gets in the spotlight because of that one bad mistake, but what about the clutch shot he hit over duncan with the shot clock expiring at the end of the game? what about the 3 or 4 blocks he had on TD? rasheed is an excellent player and defender. no, he shouldnt have left horry open but when you have a chance to trap the teams best shooter in the corner with 5 seconds left in the game, his instinct took over. end of story. det lost, lets not blame RW for that. come on.

If you read my 1st post, I was relating to his play for the ENTIRE series.

BTW
I'm loving watching another "superstar" unable to walk the walk after .........

While we're at it.....

Were was this dope in Games 1 and 2?

Maybe he can tantrum his way to 2 straight victories for "DEET" :jerkit: in SA

I'm sure everthing is because of the officiating.

come on

SA has Duncan F'ng up and Parker's aweful defense and they still win and lead this series going home for two. Either they are that good or "DEET" is that bad. I think it's the former.

 

[snoozer]

First, no offense, but I think a team that has a chance to go up 3-2 in the NBA FINALS and champions last year, can't be 'that bad'.

Second, where did Jalen say anything about the officiating?

Third, didnt hear anyone slamming Rasheed when he made 2 clutch free throws and a huge put back to win game 7 against Miami.


Yes, it was a dumb play, ultimately the one that cost them the game. He played with defensive instinct rather that by the book. But there were a bunch of other moronic plays (by both sides) that decided this one. Either way, detroit doesnt have 1 championship in the bag and a finals appearance this year without Rasheed. Oh don't forget his National Championship at UNC.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Second, where did Jalen say anything about the officiating?

You can go back and look.......

That's all that has been going on in this forum since the series started.

 

[snoozer]

Since you quoted him, I assumed you were talking about game 5.

BTW, the officiating has been bad all around. Against D in the first 2, against SA in the second 2. I thought they did a good job last night. To me, whoever has been the aggressor, has been getting the calls. It just happened to be the aggressor for each game was the home team

 

[Bombs]

First, no offense, but I think a team that has a chance to go up 3-2 in the NBA FINALS and champions last year, can't be 'that bad'.

Second, where did Jalen say anything about the officiating?

Third, didnt hear anyone slamming Rasheed when he made 2 clutch free throws and a huge put back to win game 7 against Miami.


Yes, it was a dumb play, ultimately the one that cost them the game. He played with defensive instinct rather that by the book. But there were a bunch of other moronic plays (by both sides) that decided this one. Either way, detroit doesnt have 1 championship in the bag and a finals appearance this year without Rasheed. Oh don't forget his National Championship at UNC.

National Championship at UNC?

 

[Blackman]

National Championship at UNC?

Must be thinking of Eric Montross

 

[edludes]

There isn't a team in pro football or basketball that reaches the finals without players playing with serious injuries of some sort.Why do you think football players live so much shorter lives than the rest of populace?Long term it takes its toll to push yourself so hard. Anybody who thinks you can play a season so demanding and long without feeling like you've been in a car accident couldn't have ever played those sports.Every team suffers injuries and they are a part of winning championships.Its naive,not insightfull to focus on this as an analysis of any certain teams march to a championship.And Scott,your opinions are not synonymous with facts,many of what you state as facts are merely opinions.

 

[snoozer]

you're right... my bad. I thought he was a year off of the 93 champs. Someone I work with was 100% sure he was on it, so I didn't look it up.

 

[Jalen45]

If you read my 1st post, I was relating to his play for the ENTIRE series.

BTW
I'm loving watching another "superstar" unable to walk the walk after .........

While we're at it.....

Were was this dope in Games 1 and 2?

Maybe he can tantrum his way to 2 straight victories for "DEET" :jerkit: in SA

I'm sure everthing is because of the officiating.

come on

SA has Duncan F'ng up and Parker's aweful defense and they still win and lead this series going home for two. Either they are that good or "DEET" is that bad. I think it's the former.

i didnt realize detroit was such a bad team IO. you make it sound like they are lucky to have won last year and are in the finals again this year. no one blamed the officaiting for game 5. i said in another thread detroit was outplayed and spurs deserved the victory in game 5. however, in games one and two i dont think the pistons had a fair chance to win the game.

my main point was the RW should not be blamed for the loss in game 5. a guy that hits 5 of 6 three pointers in the 4th qtr and overtime can be the guy to blame if anyone, and thatwas robert horry. he won the game last night. rasheed didnt lose it.

 

[Scott4USC]

scott do you have money on the spurs this series?

YES. I win $12,000 profit if Spurs win it all and now I win $7,000 profit if Pistons win it all.

or do you really find a way to hate detroit as much as you do.

nothng they do is EVER right. its always this and that with you. i guess if they beat SA this year, they arent "real champions" because SA wasnt 100%. what can you do? maybe the NBA will keep the rings for next year because detroit wont deserve it.

hmmmm, i dont like the way you think

I am posting my opinion and most of what I basing my opinion on is true. I respect Pistons and I think they deserved the championship and maybe 2 Championships. My argument is nobody can say with 100% confidence they are the best team either years because they really didn't play anybody at full strength. Injuries are part of the game but do you realize in 2 years every finals opponent and every eastern conf. finals opponent wasn't at full strength? Especially the star players for opposing teams. Give Pistons credit for going out and winning but it is a fact they benefited from fortunate circumstances. I am not afraid to bring that up. Spurs benefited beating an injured Knicks squad but not every playoff opponent Spurs faced had injured star players.

Malone was out for almost all of last season and the Lakers seem to do ok, so you cannot say he was a major contributor. If you are going to use the TJ Ford arguement, than you cannot use the Malone logic.

I don't understand what you are saying?

Every team suffers injuries and they are a part of winning championships.Its naive,not insightfull to focus on this as an analysis of any certain teams march to a championship.And Scott,your opinions are not synonymous with facts,many of what you state as facts are merely opinions.

I am basing my opinion on facts. So tell me exactly what I posted that wasn't true? Show me another NBA team (like the Pistons) that benefited repeatedly with opposing teams star players playing with "serious" injuries. Not just bumps and bruises, which I agree with you most players have at this stage in season. I am just posting my opinion about the Pistons and explaining why I feel that way. What I am posting to support my opinion is factual data! Unless you think all these star players were faking injuries and should be given oscars! Lets start off with Dwane Wade!


I never said Pistons didn't deserve their championship and I never said they were a bad or average team. I always said they were and are a very good team but we never will know how great they really are. Hell, I bet couple thousand on them to win the finals. So obviously I think they are a very good team. But a team that benefits from unfortunate circumstances from their opponents!

 

[snoozer]

I don't understand what you are saying?

What I am sayinmg is that you said the Bucks were a different team because TJ Ford was there most of the season. Well, Malone was not there most of the season and the still were one of the best teams in the division. Therefore, Malone could not have had that much of an impact. They won the enitre season without him.

 

[Jalen45]

My argument is nobody can say with 100% confidence they are the best team either years because they really didn't play anybody at full strength. Injuries are part of the game but do you realize in 2 years every finals opponent and every eastern conf. finals opponent wasn't at full strength? Especially the star players for opposing teams.

oh, so you are looking at the playoffs only then? i see what youre saying. detroit was terrible during the regular season wheneveryone was at full strengh, but when they playoffs came around, they benefitted from injuries? they only were good in the playoffs huh? youre starting to piss me off with these posts man. i dont have a problem with you but make some sense when you post. youre basically telling me that detroit won the finals last year because they played teams that happen to have major injuries, and this year the same thing. if that kinda stuff happened with an 8th seed team in the playoffs amd they sqeuaked their way to the finals and won i would agree with you. the pistons won all year long with these teams playing 100%. a couple unfortaunate injuries and wear to these teams, and you all of a suddent think that its fortuate for detroit to face such team. thats a joke. detroit was the number 2 seed in the east for the past 2 years!!!!!! (meaning they had the second best record 2 years straight). so youre tellingme dwayne wade, shaq, ginobili, etc were all playing like shit all season????????? they all played the same teams man. detroit fared against these teams just the same as everyone else, and that gave them the 2nd best record in the east 2 years in arow. if youre looking at other teams injuries as an excuse for the pistons winning games, then you seriously need to watch the whole season instead of just the playoffs pal. youre obviously from california, so how many pistons games during the regular season have you watched? how much have you seen them play besides the playoffs when everything is on cable tv? i bet maybe 5 or 6 game total this year. you decide to run your mouth and bet on games when youve watched this team play against team that are "not 100% percent" so YOU KNOW how bad or good they really are right???? please, man. dont post anymore, obviously you have money on the spurs and youre looking at every excuise for the pistons making it this far and giving you a scare at losing 12 grand or whatveer your fake bet is.

 

[Scott4USC]

oh, so you are looking at the playoffs only then? i see what youre saying. detroit was terrible during the regular season wheneveryone was at full strengh, but when they playoffs came around, they benefitted from injuries? they only were good in the playoffs huh? youre starting to piss me off with these posts man. i dont have a problem with you but make some sense when you post.

I know you are a Pistons and I am sorry if you are offended with me posting the facts about Detroit. I enjoy reading your takes on Detroit and you helped give me confidence in betting Detroit to win it all.

I never said Pistons were an average or bad team. I always have said they were a very good team. I focus on the playoffs because that is what counts. Suns were the #1 team in the NBA in season wins, do you want to give them a trophy? I care more about playoffs. Lakers coasted for the most part in regular season (not 1st year) yet won 3 straight NBA championships and went to finals 4/5 years. It is all about the playoffs.

youre basically telling me that detroit won the finals last year because they played teams that happen to have major injuries, and this year the same thing.

I did not say that was the only reason but I said that helped contribute. I don't think anybody can deny that helping the Pistons. My argument is we will never know if Detroit would have beaten those teams if there star players were not less than 100% with serious injuries.

if youre looking at other teams injuries as an excuse for the pistons winning games, then you seriously need to watch the whole season instead of just the playoffs pal.

I never said Pistons "couldn't" beat those teams who were injured in playoffs.

Regular season and playoffs are not the same. Suns were the #1 team in NBA in wins and they didn't make finals. Nuggets were the hottest team in NBA 2h and hottest team entering playoffs and lost 1st round. Regular season IMO is not the same intensity as playoffs. I do not put a lot of weight in to regular season. But I always have said Pistons are a very good team, def. an elite team in the NBA.

youre obviously from california, so how many pistons games during the regular season have you watched? how much have you seen them play besides the playoffs when everything is on cable tv? i bet maybe 5 or 6 game total this year.

I do not watch many Pistons games in the regular season. 5-6 games was a very good estimate.

you decide to run your mouth and bet on games when youve watched this team play against team that are "not 100% percent" so YOU KNOW how bad or good they really are right????

I never said precisely how good they are. That is the basis of my argument. WE DON'T KNOW! They are have not been tested against a healthy opponent in playoffs. I clearly have proven that.

please, man. dont post anymore, obviously you have money on the spurs and youre looking at every excuise for the pistons making it this far and giving you a scare at losing 12 grand or whatveer your fake bet is.

Fake bet? :nooo: I will make a side wager with you that I have that bet in action and I listed the sportsbooks since you accuse it of being fake. We can have MJ call (or thirst party) and confirm as I can give him my ticket #'s on betting slips. But side warning, my actual bet is more than what I posted but I only talk about $$$ won/lost that I posted on MJ. That is the fair thing to do as everything is documented. I added to my wager but didn't post it so I do not talk about it.

I placed a couple thousand on the Pistons winning the finals 5-1 after game 1 against the Pacers. So I do respect the Pistons and feel they are a very good team. Otherwise I would have wagered on another team, wouldn't I?

 

[Scott4USC]

What I am sayinmg is that you said the Bucks were a different team because TJ Ford was there most of the season. Well, Malone was not there most of the season and the still were one of the best teams in the division. Therefore, Malone could not have had that much of an impact. They won the enitre season without him.

Malone played half the regular season for Lakers.

I remembered Malone got injured against Suns last year so I looked it up and Lakers were 20-5 with Malone. After that serious Malone injury, Lakers went 36-21. That is a an 80% winning % with Malone and a 63% winning percentage after the Malone injury.

You are going to love this stat!

I think Malone came back to Lakers on Sept 13 against the Bulls. Sept 13th to end of season Lakers went 14-3 with Malone back in the lineup! Are you impressed?

Lakers total season record with Malone was 34-8 with a 80% winning percentage.

Lakers total season record without Malone was 22-18 with a 55% winning %.

Winning % with Malone 80% vs 55% without Malone.

CASE CLOSED!

 

[maverick2112]

Scott

I am posting my opinion and most of what I basing my opinion on is true.

Scott..........I believe a large percentage of people reading this board would agree that your opinion is based on one thing and one thing only.........

1. Whoever you have the most money on.............

and not what is true........


I can assure you if you had most of your money on Detroit you would be prasing these guys but since you dont you cut them down. You did the same exact thing last year when they throttled your Lakers......game after game you were complaining about fouls, lakers hurt, shaq getting fouled, Kobe getting contact on drives to the hoop etc, etc.........

 

[Scott4USC]

maverick2112

Then tell me exactly what I posted that isn't true?

BTW, I bought out of my Lakers bet and took Pistons to win in exactly 5 games and to win exactly in 6 games. Placed it after Lakers won game 2 which was lucky. I took small loss on that wager. I got huge odds on both bets since Lakers were still heavy favorites. So no bitterness. Even if I was bitter, that doesn't mean anything.

 

[maverick2112]

Scott...........you have posted on and on about how many breaks the Pistons got last yr and this yr..........but not once did you ever post that they have won 3 series now without the home court advantage.......Ind and Lakers last yr......Miami this yr.........Faced an elimination game on 2 time eastern conference division champions home court and won(gm 6 last yr vs NJ)

If you have watched as much hoops as I have you would never say a team that wins championships without the HCA is lucky..........Look at the Lakers.......yr 1 beat Indiana......had HCA........yr 2 beat Philly.......had HCA.........yr 3 beat NJ had HCA...........Not many teams have done what Deet did last yr and this year........

No credit I ever saw on how good a coach Larry Brown is.........

No credit on what a great guard Chauncey Billips is..........

All you have done is bash Detroit saying they were lucky etc. etc.


So let me see...........You bet Lakers to win series .........they lose game 1........you stand pat on your bet............then they win game 2 and you buy your way out??? After series is tied 1-1???
Wht stand pat after a loss then buyback after a win???

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott...........you have posted on and on about how many breaks the Pistons got last yr and this yr..........but not once did you ever post that they have won 3 series now without the home court advantage.......Ind and Lakers last yr......Miami this yr.........Faced an elimination game on 2 time eastern conference division champions home court and won(gm 6 last yr vs NJ)

That is great for Detroit and I have said I think they were a very good team last year and a very good team this year. My argument is about the teams they faced.

If you have watched as much hoops as I have you would never say a team that wins championships without the HCA is lucky..........Look at the Lakers.......yr 1 beat Indiana......had HCA........yr 2 beat Philly.......had HCA.........yr 3 beat NJ had HCA...........Not many teams have done what Deet did last yr and this year........

I think I been saying Pistons were "fortunate." If I ever said they were lucky to win an NBA Championship I take that back. I know I have have said Pistons were lucky to benefit from their opponents not being 100% but I don't think they were lucky to win an NBA championship and lucky to maybe win championship this season. The basis of my argument is Pistons benefited from their opponents not being 100% and we never will know how great they really were.

No credit I ever saw on how good a coach Larry Brown is.........

No credit on what a great guard Chauncey Billips is..........

All you have done is bash Detroit saying they were lucky etc. etc.

I think Larry Brown is 2nd best coach in NBA behind d Popovich. But my argument is not about praising Pistons. I acknowledged they are a very good team. I don't need to argue that. I think everyone thinks they are/were a very good team.

I don't think posters understand the argument.

If I said Pistons were lucky to win NBA championship, I take it back because I don't think they were lucky. I think they benefited from unfortunate circumstances to their opponents. I don't think I said they were lucky winning it, just lucky their opponents suffered injuries to star players.

So let me see...........You bet Lakers to win series .........they lose game 1........you stand pat on your bet............then they win game 2 and you buy your way out??? After series is tied 1-1???
Wht stand pat after a loss then buyback after a win???

YES! After game 1 and game 2, I saw all the mismatches in Pistons favor. Game 2 Lakers were lucky to win and I knew 3 straight games in Detroit could spell doom. #1 reason was Gary Payton. He was garbage and couldn't stay in front of Billups. Billups blew past him every fawking time and would score or dish out. Shaq is lazy on defense and not conditioned anyways to help. #2 reason was Lakers role players sucked and none could create on their own. Pistons defense was very good and laker role players especially easy to defend since they only stood around and watched kobe/shaq. Malone hurt and Kobe not 100% and it all built up.. I had Lakers winning series in 6 games or less and Lakers winning series. I knew if I hedged after game 2, there was no way I could lose big $$$ and I was fine with that. I raised the white flag early and conceded.