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If you are recruiting standout kids why would this be an issue? You realize how bad a kid has to do scholastically for there to even be a clearinghouse issue?


"USC football coach Pete Carroll finally lost his patience with the NCAA on Tuesday, as his usual happy-go-lucky personality quickly disappeared regarding the governing body's slow pace on determining freshmen athletes' eligibility.

"It's cruel to these kids and was last year too for the kids who had to wait for so long because of paperwork issues," Carroll said. "If they knew what these kids were going through, maybe they wouldn't be so bad about it."
 

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I don necessarily disagree with Carroll, although quite frankly these are kids who shouldnt be in college or who should be forced to redshirt their first year. I was just referring to some who act is if Carroll doesnt recruit kids to which this issue would apply.
 

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You know, it doesn't make a kid a bad person because he can't pass a test or make decent grades. Short-sighted opinions like yours are the type of things that continue to reify such misconceptions.

I went to high school with more than one guy who played ball, worked on the side to help their familiy and were an important part of the lives of their younger brothers and sisters -- yes, they didn't make good grades and didn't fair well on the SATs, but you can never, ever, ever tell me they weren't great people.

These kids don't choose the system, the system chooses them. There are no alternatives for kids who want to play football but go to school somewhere -- who do you think is the BIGGEST supporter of NOT establishing a minor league feeder league to the NFL? Yup, those holier-than-thou universities that make up the NCAA. So what we have is a system that "shuns" those they feel aren't worthy of their ivory tower universities and at the same time are doing everything they can to prevent an alternative "training-ground" for those they do not accept. The great American system!!

I ask you, where is the justice? I don't see any and it is opinions like yours that pis* me off.

What's my opinion? FU*CK the NCAA and think about the fuc*king kids once in a while.
 
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Yeah whatever. Mr 3 post is going to pretend he knows who I am. I never said they were bad kids. Perhaps you didnt pass the core reading courses either. If they want to go to college then they ought to spend some time in the classroom instead of worrying about fall practice. The story you tell applies to less than 1% of the clearinghouse cases.

In Texas most very bright kids cant even get into UT or AM because of limitations that are put in place (Top 10% of HS class) yet we let someone who cant even read into school. Last I checked they are entitled to a future too.

Moreover, the vast majority of kids in clearinghouse are because they didnt even take the basic courses in HS that allow them to be eligible. That is just inexcusable. How are they going to pass in college - or are you ok with just passing them too so they can play football regardless of merit?

As for you I dont really give a shit what you think. Stay out of my threads and you dont have to worry about being pissed off.
 

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Re-read your first post -- you clearly state that poor academic achievment is dispositive of being a "standout" kid.

Kids "standout" in many, many, many other ways that just their academic achievment -- so just don't be so quick to judge smart guy.

And I will enter your threads and call you out for being a complete ignoramous anytime I feel like it -- thank you very much.
 

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Why didn't you post the full article? :shrug: I think Carroll has a good argument to be upset with the NCAA. It seems like every NCAA decision is against USC. When it is in favor, they delay their decision. Carroll plays freshman and expects them to produce. So this really hurts USC.

USC football: Carroll fed up with the NCAA
By Scott Wolf, Staff Writer Daily News

USC football coach Pete Carroll finally lost his patience with the NCAA on Tuesday, as his usual happy-go-lucky personality quickly disappeared regarding the governing body's slow pace on determining freshmen athletes' eligibility.
"It's cruel to these kids and was last year too for the kids who had to wait for so long because of paperwork issues," Carroll said. "If they knew what these kids were going through, maybe they wouldn't be so bad about it."

Carroll's upset because freshman tight end Charles Brown is still waiting to be certified by the NCAA Clearinghouse. Brown is expected to be cleared today, because the NCAA required a final high school document before approving his transcripts.

Another freshman, defensive lineman Walker Lee Ashley, is also currently ineligible while waiting for clearinghouse approval, but he's considered a longshot to be approved.

The clearinghouse seems to be embroiled in an on-going battle with the Trojans. Last year, offensive tackle Thomas Herring sat out the season because his academic transcripts were received after the NCAA's deadline.

Offensive lineman Chilo Rachal also missed a large portion of training camp before getting cleared just before the deadline. Even linebacker Clay Matthews, who did not have academic issues and submitted his paperwork on time, missed a practice because of fears he would not be cleared the day of the deadline.

The NCAA allows freshman to practice for two weeks before being cleared, but USC is holding Brown and Ashley out until they get approved.


Turner delivers: Freshman wide receiver Patrick Turner delivered on his promise Tuesday during his second day of workouts with an impressive catch of a deflected pass over the middle serving as the highlight.

"That's the best second day that a guy has had for us at that position," offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin said.

Turner, who is still not 100 percent because of a bruised heel, said sitting out the first few days was frustrating.

"Now I finally feel like I belong," he said. "I came into camp rusty, but this was like breaking the ice catching passes. It was real fun."

Tailback woes: Sophomore Desmond Reed will start and fullback David Kirtman will be switched to tailback for today's scrimmage because the Trojans don't expect Reggie Bush or LenDale White to be available.

Bush strained his groin while White remains out after getting his foot stepped on by tight end Dale Thompson.

"Desmond Reed's doing really well," quarterback Matt Leinart said. "In the spring he struggled on mental stuff and he hasn't messed up yet."

Linebacker Dallas Sartz is also out with a hip pointer but could return today while Matthews has a concussion. That left freshman Brian Cushing at one outside linebacker spot Tuesday and forced the Trojans to move middle linebacker Thomas Williams to take some snaps at the position.

Dueling minds: Leinart alluded to Carroll cheating in practices in an attempt to keep the offense from dominating the defense.

"The defensive coaches put in stuff they don't even tell our coaches about," Leinart said. "I think (Carroll) does (cheat) actually. We got him the first couple days and then he was not going to let us beat him."

Carroll enjoyed Leinart's comments.

"I'm glad he thinks that. If he thinks we're playing that good, then that's good," Carroll said.
 
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It seems like every NCAA decision is against USC.


You make multiple statements like this on a daily basis and yet you still can't figure out why the entire fawking board thinks that you're overly biased and non-objective.... Geeze, man, are you that fawking near-sighted?

If you could just leave USC out of your posts and post good information about other teams that you weren't jerking off to every night, you would have much more respect in this forum.... :sadwave:
 

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You make multiple statements like this on a daily basis and yet you still can't figure out why the entire fawking board thinks that you're overly biased and non-objective.... Geeze, man, are you that fawking near-sighted?

If you could just leave USC out of your posts and post good information about other teams that you weren't jerking off to every night, you would have much more respect in this forum.... :sadwave:

I am not looking for your respect or respect of others. If someone respects me, great, if someone doesn't, oh well. I would like to think most respect me. But if 90% don't, I don't really care. I state my opinion and support it. Therefore, I do not need credibility because it is all there for you to read.

You think I talk about USC too much. Well, take a look at all my posts. Most of the time I am replying to someone else who mentions USC. Why is USC mentioned so much? Ummmmm, maybe because they are the #1 team in the country and the top program in the country the last 3 years by a wide margin. Look at ESPN. They have USC on the front page at least 3 times a week. Guess they are big homers too! :)

I can show you the last 5 threads posted about USC, and I bet I didn't start any of them! Did I participate in them? HELL YES! If someone makes a positive or negative comment about USC, then I just might add to it and give my opinion as well. I feel sorry for you if you have a problem with that. You act like I am posting about USC while nobody else is bringing them up. That is WRONG!

Now if you do not like it, you have a few choices. Participate (which I encourage), ignore it or block me. I do not make personal attacks and I have nothing against you or anyone. I am sorry if you do not like what I have to say but I do not feel I have done anything wrong. None of my posts are off topic in a thread. Don't believe me? Take a look at my posts.

Am I biased to USC? Sure. But show me one thing I say that doesn't make sense. You make disagree with my opinion, but show me a post that doesn't make logical sense. Something that is way out there. I encourage constructive criticism. You commented on me saying the NCAA is against USC. Well I have examples to show you and support my opinion. Hell, read the damn article which states examples. Sun Tzu did not post the full article so maybe you did not read it. I have no idea why someone would omit parts of an article. :mj10: I never said the NCAA only rules against USC. I am sure other programs have there gripes too. I do know that USC has multiple examples.

After reading my posts, if you or anybody else don't respect me or don't think I am objective,, that is your opinion. I am not going to try and change that. However, I don't see how someone can claim me not being objective when I usually support my opinion with facts. Are facts suddenly considered a subjective opinion?
 
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For starters I didnt have the whole article. I posted what I saw qoted on another site you worthless little shit. You claim not to make personal attacks yet go out of your way to do so in any way possible. Second, I am pretty sure I wrote that i didnt disagree with him, but why let the facts get in the way. The better questuionis why is he recruiting so many kids for which this is an issue. It certainly goes against what you claim the program to be. Third, thanks for hijacking a thread of mine yet again. What part of "**** off" is confusing to you?
 
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ridiculous thread. sheese.

grow up, boys.
 
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