Notre Dame

[TouchdownJesus]

I know a lot has been said, and I've only read some posts today.
That game left me with possibly the sickest feeling I have ever had after a college football game. Its going to take a long time to get over this.
I had a 7-team parlay that included the Notre Dame money line, although Louisville's shit messed that up anyway.
But I could care less. I wanted my Irish to win that game. They played their asses off. A near perfect game against a great team.
To have it end like that is total bullshit.

First, I don't know the exact rule, but its amazing that a fumble that goes out of bounds saves the offensive team from losing the game. If he fumbles forward and it goes out of bounds, would the clock keep running? If he fumbled on purpose out of bounds, would the clock stop? Whats the difference, how can you prove intent?
If nothing else, what a lucky ass.

Then, they mark the ball at the 1-foot line. How in the hell does that happen.

And to top it off, Notre Dame stops Leinhart, and Bush pushes him into the end zone. I hate ugly Leinhart, I hate cocky cheat Bush, I hate USC.

I love Notre Dame, and I really love this Notre Dame team. They have shown that they can not only compete, but beat any team in the nation. They got hosed tonight against the #1 team out there. And theres no playoff in the stupid NCAA so all they will get is the Pabst Blue Ribbon Bowl or whatever.

****ing horse shit. Pete Carroll and company can go straight to hell.

 

[gman2]

They got hosed tonight against the #1 team out there.

tough loss for the irish, and they certainly played well.

but they've got nobody to blame but themselves.

they had usc in 3rd/20 with 1:30 to go.

if notre dame was truly the better team, they would have kept usc from getting chunking away 1/5 of the field in 2 downs, with everything on the line. 100,000 screaming fans. a chance at ending the long usc winning streak.

i was pulling for notre dame, but the reality is that usc won the game and deserved to win.

 

[Mr Hockey]

tough loss for the irish, and they certainly played well.

but they've got nobody to blame but themselves.

they had usc in 3rd/20 with 1:30 to go.

if notre dame was truly the better team, they would have kept usc from getting chunking away 1/5 of the field in 2 downs, with everything on the line. 100,000 screaming fans. a chance at ending the long usc winning streak.

i was pulling for notre dame, but the reality is that usc won the game and deserved to win.

Oh come on, while USC did make plays when they had too, you can't ignore facts such as what Bush did.

Yes, the game shouldn't have even come to that but it did & you can't just ignore what happened.

 

[gman2]

Oh come on, while USC did make plays when they had too, you can't ignore facts such as what Bush did.

Yes, the game shouldn't have even come to that but it did & you can't just ignore what happened.

notre dame let usc drive, what, 85 yards in 1:30? and youre telling me they deserved to win? notre dame deserves all the credit in the world for putting together a fantastic gameplan. but if you dont want to let a game come down to a play from the 1-foot line, dont let a team go 85 yards on you in a minute to get to that point, especially at home. it sucks because i really wanted to see usc lose. but it wasnt to be. they showed why theyre the #1 team in the country. thats just being real about it.

 

[Mr Hockey]

One series doesn't diminish ND deserving to win or atleast play in OT where they could have won or lost.

 

[gman2]

One series doesn't diminish ND deserving to win or atleast play in OT where they could have won or lost.

very true. in a perfect world, they go to overtime. but its tough to say notre dame got 'screwed' or 'hosed', because they are the ones who put themselves in the position to let a play from the one-foot line decide the game. i do, however, see where youre coming from.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Good enough! I do however think they should be #1 until someone beats them. Actually I can't wait for lines to come out later today as I have my eye on a few I'm jumping on immediately.

Still come on AIM? I haven't seen you on in awhile. Did you ever find a line for that Div II game? The 1AA lines for next week should prove interesting as 2 games already are standouts for me.

 

[Sun Tzu]

hmm there is a difference between being in positions and winning...

USC got away with a penalty, and questionable decisions on the fumble/spot/time.....

so if they dont get the half-yard would we say USC was still No 1 because they put themselves in position to win? Of course not...

what happened at the end is the issue. period.And if you say it is ND's fault, then you cant say USC is No 1.

USC has gone to the wire in 3 road games against multi-loss teams. Last year doesnt count. The hype doesnt count. Potential doesnt count. Talent doesnt count. Performance does.

 

[BuffaloBill]

The better team won today.

Period.

Gman is right.

If ND was the better team then the game never would have ended the way it did.

It never should have come down to that.

It is like saying that Norwood lost the Super Bowl for the Bills.

That is just silly.

It never should have come down to him having to make a 47 yard field goal just like this game never should have come down to QB sneak from the 1 yard line.

They had ample opportunities to put this game away and they could not.

They lost fair and square and that is that.

And I am neither a USC or a ND fan.

 

[Sun Tzu]

So if they call the penalty on Bush or spot the ball differently would ND be the better team, or if they stop Jarret on 4th down - just one play of an entire game, or if the safety hits Leinhart a fraction of a second earlier? That's just ridiculous.

If USC was so great why did it come down to them making a play as a 2TD favorite against a team that lost at home to Michigan State?

It is all about WINNING not being "the better team." There is ZERO doubt that USC is better than Notre Dame. That doesnt mean they deserved to win, or that Notre Dame did or didn't.

 

[BuffaloBill]

Sun,

You are right as far as the better team goes.

Either way, win or lose, USC is the better team.

But, I do believe that if they stop Jarret on 4th down it shows people something.

It shows that they make a big play in a big time situation.

It shows that they can get it done when it matters most.

THIS is what separates these two teams.

When USC had their backs against the wall in a hostile environment, they were able to get it done.

ND could not do that today.

The Jarret play is not the only play.

I could come up with a bunch of other plays that were crucial in this game, and ND just couldn't make the plays when they had to.

Bottom line is no matter what the outcome of this game was, USC is the better team.

But don't blame this game on the officials.

ND did not make plays when they had to.

Period.

If they could have made one of these crucial plays then they win.

I don't understand what the argument is here?

 

[Sun Tzu]

Well if the call the penalty on Bush Notre Dame wins the game. By definition they would have made the plays to win wouldnt they?

 

[gman2]

Well if the call the penalty on Bush Notre Dame wins the game. By definition they would have made the plays to win wouldnt they?

objection your honor.... on the grounds of semantics!

 

[Sun Tzu]

That isnt semantics. Are you disputing that is a penalty?

 

[Mr Hockey]

Which was worse this non call or the late pass int in the miami-ohio state game!

 

[johnnyb.]

MY VOTE FOR HEISMAN:
reggie PUSH!
:mj07:

 

[Franky Wright]

No offense Mr Hockey, but who cares

Which was worse this non call or the late pass int in the miami-ohio state game!

LMAO....... :scared

 

[BuffaloBill]

Sun,

You are wrong.

You are talking about a CALL that was made, or not made.

I am talking about PLAYS that were made and not made.

That is the difference here.

CALLS vs. PLAYS

Two totally different things here.

 

[Franky Wright]

Sun,
You are wrong.You are talking about a CALL that was made, or not made.

Oh Ooooohhhhh........
:sadwave:

 

[BuffaloBill]

Franky,

Please chime in when you have something relevant to add to our discussion.

Me and Sun just have different opinions on what happened.

What's wrong with that?