i will be the first to admit i have a bad case of east coast bias when it comes to basketball but not so much in football. i respect usc and their offensive prowess. they seem to be a football version of the phoenix suns or the old paul westfield teams with loyola maramount . i am no expert of college football but i think a defense like va tech, auburn or alabama would have a good chance of slowing down this offense. [ tampa bay vs oakland in the super bowl a few years ago or ohio state vs miami in bcs bowl ] baylor would probably play them better than the bottom half of pac ten.
can anyone in pac ten play defense?
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lowell said:
Here is your problem. What great offenses has V-Tech played? You are delusional to think V-Tech has such a great defense. They simply have not been tested. Take last years example of USC vs V-Tech @V-Tech to open season. USC had brand new OL, brand new WR corps, brand new TE, New FB all on offense. USC still scored 24pts. NOBODY should score that many pts playing on the road in hostile environment with inexperienced players at those units. But that year V-Tech was claimed to have a GREAT defense. What would the USC offense done to V-Tech at the end of the year?
V-Tech this year has played nobody with a sophisticated passing attack and QB. Wasn't Boston College the best offense V-Tech played this year? At best BC would have the 6th best offensive attack in the Pac 10. If you want all the Pac 10 teams to hand the ball off and simply run into each other all game, their defensive stats would look impressive. If the Pac 10 did not have history of playing strong OOC teams, and play weak 1a or 1aa teams, there stats would look more impressive.
Look at the USC defense the last 3 years. Dominate OOC play and BCS Bowl opponents but struggled in Pac 10 play. Pete Carroll has said many times you can't stop Pac 10 offenses week in week out. Stoops from Arizona said publicly he looked down on the Pac 10 while he coached in the Big 12 but now realizes it is very tough conference to compete in because of the complex offenses.
A conf. that doesn't have great offenses will give the false impression of great defenses. Same with a conf. that has great offenses will give the false impression of poor defenses. Usually it is somewhere in the middle.
If Texas makes it to the Rose Bowl against USC, you will see how clueless they look defending a sophisticated wide open passing attack lead by a great QB. Oh yeah, USC also has rushing attack that is physical. USC plays these type of offenses all year. Texas doesn't. USC D might look weak at times, but if they played in the Big 10, SEC, Big 12 etc USC D would be talked very highly. Pete Carroll's job as DC would be soooooooo much easier. Think about it!
Last week the Pac 10 had 5 teams ranked in the top 10 in total offense.
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Scott, take off the pac-10 goggles. I respect most of your posts but you really sound obnoxious in this one. You just slammed this guy and he was just lookin post a lil perspective. Jeez. Startin off with "here is your problem" just set me off wrong.
Not slamming him. V-Tech has not played anybody ranked in the top 40 in total offense. Boston College is ranked #45. So please tell me why you or anybody should give huge props to V-Tech defense? Why do they get so much respect? Not making any of this up. These are the facts. But nobody brings this up. Nobody likes hearing it. But it is the truth. I gave him my perspective and told him exactly what the "problem" was.
last i checked only 3 pac teams are in top 50 percent in total defense. out of 118 teams cal is 29th, trojans are an embarrassing 36th and the ducks come in at number 50. zona 69th, ucla 74th, stanford 85th, wash st is 94th, asu is 95th and the huskies are 107th while the beavers are 110th. of course this can be attibuted to the non-conference diet of the high scoring offenses of hawaii, rice , houston , montana, sac st, n mx st, cal davis, temple, portland st, n arizona, idaho twice, nevada and the juggernaut grambling state. maybe the pac ten belongs in cfl or arena football
lowell said:
Pac 10 offenses generally go against defenses ranked outside top 50.
V-Tech defense generally goes against offenses ranked outside the top 50.
V-Tech defense gets praised and Pac 10 D's get bashed.
In SEC you have games that are 6-3 finals that are praised. (great defense) In the Pac 10 you have 33-30 games that are bashed! (bad defense)
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Hey did you notice:
1. Marcus Vick has a better QB rating than Leinart. (threw it in because I thought it was funny!)
2. I only found 2 Pac 10 Total Defenses in the top 50. USC /CAL
3. I only found 2 Pac 10 Scoring Defenses in the top 50. USC /CAL
4. I only found 2 Pac 10 Rushing Defenses in the top 50. USC /CAL
5. I only found 2 Pac 10 Passing efficiency in the top 50. Oregon /CAL.
So when someone says the Pac 10 defense aren't as good as the rest of the country, there is a little reason behind it, don't ya think?
Michigan has played 2 of the top 4 total offenses and beaten them, what does that mean about their defenses?, nothing. They arent in the top 50 in Total D either. USC would hand it to them on the field. But the real question will be will they hand it to Texas or Va Tech? I believe they wont.
USC hasnt faced a defense in the top 50 and they have struggled more times than I can count! No one can tell me and make me believe that USC is the most superior team of the 3 based on their performance this year.
1. Marcus Vick has a better QB rating than Leinart. (threw it in because I thought it was funny!)
2. I only found 2 Pac 10 Total Defenses in the top 50. USC /CAL
3. I only found 2 Pac 10 Scoring Defenses in the top 50. USC /CAL
4. I only found 2 Pac 10 Rushing Defenses in the top 50. USC /CAL
5. I only found 2 Pac 10 Passing efficiency in the top 50. Oregon /CAL.
So when someone says the Pac 10 defense aren't as good as the rest of the country, there is a little reason behind it, don't ya think?
Michigan has played 2 of the top 4 total offenses and beaten them, what does that mean about their defenses?, nothing. They arent in the top 50 in Total D either. USC would hand it to them on the field. But the real question will be will they hand it to Texas or Va Tech? I believe they wont.
USC hasnt faced a defense in the top 50 and they have struggled more times than I can count! No one can tell me and make me believe that USC is the most superior team of the 3 based on their performance this year.
looks like NO ONE from eastcoast is going to play in natl' championship game so we start this weak-ass thread about defense in pac-10uch...
i know theres not much to do during those long, cold winters but here its sunny, warm and the women actually do look like they are on t.v.
2 teams from same city that undeafeated, on the westcoast and the weather is nice... classic!
i'll root for texas before i side with v-tech. eastcoast bias :thefinger
i know theres not much to do during those long, cold winters but here its sunny, warm and the women actually do look like they are on t.v.
2 teams from same city that undeafeated, on the westcoast and the weather is nice... classic!
i'll root for texas before i side with v-tech. eastcoast bias :thefinger
Hey its 65 degrees and sunny here, sort of (damn daylight savings time), and the woman look pretty good according to national standards.
Gotta give props to the 2 teams in the city being undefeated. No matter which conference you are in, that is all a team can do, beat everybody they play. Ugly wins or not.
Gotta give props to the 2 teams in the city being undefeated. No matter which conference you are in, that is all a team can do, beat everybody they play. Ugly wins or not.
exactly
i'm with you intheBlue, can only win the games your scheduled to play... i just can't understand fans/losers like vince dooley of espn saying that its easy going undefeated in big12 and pac-10.
s.e.c. only hope is alabama, but they played UTAH ST. YESTERDAY! lsu scheduled n.texas yesterday too, WHATS THAT? pleazzzzzzze if you want to be taken serious, play some better teams...
i'm with you intheBlue, can only win the games your scheduled to play... i just can't understand fans/losers like vince dooley of espn saying that its easy going undefeated in big12 and pac-10.
s.e.c. only hope is alabama, but they played UTAH ST. YESTERDAY! lsu scheduled n.texas yesterday too, WHATS THAT? pleazzzzzzze if you want to be taken serious, play some better teams...
When everybody goes to 12 games, that will become the norm. Heck at the beginning of the year, Notre Dame looked to be an easy win for some teams until they started playing.
But you are right, You expect Utah St. and North Texas to suck. But it was smart to scedule North Texas because they usually have the winningest record in the Sun belt. Looks good on paper for LSU. But next week they have APPALACHIAN ST tech community college for the deaf dumb and blind. JEEZ!!
But you are right, You expect Utah St. and North Texas to suck. But it was smart to scedule North Texas because they usually have the winningest record in the Sun belt. Looks good on paper for LSU. But next week they have APPALACHIAN ST tech community college for the deaf dumb and blind. JEEZ!!
johnnyb. said:
to be fair to LSU, that game was scheduled for when the hurricane hit if im not mistaken and was a make up date on what was supposed to be a week off.
they scheduled a team they could beat, but it was the class of its weak conference for a few years.
go bruins
there is no debate....the pac 10 sucks and we play no defense...end of story!
keep believing so that bcs line is a joke......AGAIN.....take texas or va tech +3-4 or whatever riduculous number you people force vegas to set it at.
"sc hasnt seen a defense in the pac 10 like ou"....ROUT
"sc cant handle the physical nature of michigan"....ROUT
"iowa is the hottest team in the nation and sc wont stop their offense"....ROUT
keep it comin....please
keep believing so that bcs line is a joke......AGAIN.....take texas or va tech +3-4 or whatever riduculous number you people force vegas to set it at.
"sc hasnt seen a defense in the pac 10 like ou"....ROUT
"sc cant handle the physical nature of michigan"....ROUT
"iowa is the hottest team in the nation and sc wont stop their offense"....ROUT
keep it comin....please
uhhh gjn hate to tell you but how greta USC is doesnt deem the rest of the conference great too. uSC could win the Rose Bowl by 50 and it doesnt mean shit about which conference is better. They could lose...ditto. It just tells you about USC and whomever they play on that day.
INtheBLUE said:
NO I disagree. I don't think the Pac 10 has the best defenses but there is a reason so many Pac 10 defenses are ranked #50 or higher. If you play in a conference with sophisticated passing attacks, NFL caliber QB's, and great OC's you will give up stats and points. You will have high scoring games.
Why do you feel that way?
USC has played a #25 ranked SOS!
USC OFFENSE
USC is #1 in the nation in scoring.
USC is #5 in the nation in rushing yards.
USC is #4 in the nation in passing yards.
The lowest pt total scored by USC was 34pts @ND in an extremely hostile environment + rivalry game. USC dropped 5 wide open passes too!
Don't forget USC started the year with a new OC, QB coach, and OL coach!
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The polls obviously disagree with you. Don't you realize USC gets everyones best shot? Did you not notice USC played 5 of their first 7 games on the road? :scared Have you not noticed all the injuries and adversity this team has had to overcome? Coaching changes? USC finally got a break in their schedule last week against Washington and you will see a completely different team at the end of the year when USC takes on @CAL, Fresno St. and UCLA!
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Scott,
Not trying to start any word war with stats,trends etc: I personally think Texas gives USC their greatest threat. Both teams have excellent QB's and both teams put up big numbers. Just my 2 cents, but if the two were playing the rose bowl today, I would have a hard time not taking the 6.5pts and Texas. Texas and USC are the only top tier teams in the country, we'll see if VT deserves to be that same category after sat. The rest of the BCS teams are a level below. Oh and Johnny, not a shot here but I can assure you that the WOMEN here in Georgia (ATL) can compete with any in the country, but then again I believe your were referring to East Coast girls and not Southern Women. I'm sure West Coast Women look great, but I'll still stick with my Southern girls!!!! Just one man's opinion. Have a great day, and I its going to be interesting down the stretch..Cabo...
Not trying to start any word war with stats,trends etc: I personally think Texas gives USC their greatest threat. Both teams have excellent QB's and both teams put up big numbers. Just my 2 cents, but if the two were playing the rose bowl today, I would have a hard time not taking the 6.5pts and Texas. Texas and USC are the only top tier teams in the country, we'll see if VT deserves to be that same category after sat. The rest of the BCS teams are a level below. Oh and Johnny, not a shot here but I can assure you that the WOMEN here in Georgia (ATL) can compete with any in the country, but then again I believe your were referring to East Coast girls and not Southern Women. I'm sure West Coast Women look great, but I'll still stick with my Southern girls!!!! Just one man's opinion. Have a great day, and I its going to be interesting down the stretch..Cabo...
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Blue, Nothing better in the world!! The woman im seeing now is from your neck of the woods, good ole Birmingham..Cabo...
Cabo said:
I agree. Although ND might be tougher because USC had to play @ND in hostile environment + rivalry game. ND also had 2 weeks to prepare etc. ND has better offense but Texas has a much better defense. Edge to Texas. The thing that bothers me is Texas has been tested once, @Ohio St. Impressive win but that is only 1 game all year. V-Tech has not really been tested but they played BC last week and play Miami, then FSU later on. They will be tested. If they win all their games, maybe V-Tech gives USC their greatest threat. But point is, I agree both Texas and V-Tech are better teams than anybody USC plays on their schedule. Both are more "complete" teams.
Cabo said:
Yep I agree! But my concern with Young is turnovers. Can't give USC turnovers in a big game. Gotta play great football 4 quarters. Young will make great plays but he also makes STUPID decisions. I don't think Young will be able to read NFL caliber blitz schemes Carroll will put together. Not to mention USC D will be one of the fastest defenses Young has seen all year.
Cabo said:
I agree completely. Texas +6.5 today would be the bet to make. Although USC is getting stronger and stronger each and every week. In Jan. USC will be a machine. That is when Texas would play USC. (if it happens) USC is a 2h team in games and a 2h team in terms of the season. It is quite amazing because USC has done this every year since Pete Carroll took over. Zero losses in November and only 1 loss in bowl season (year 1 of Carroll). You don't see that consistently with other CFB programs. At least I have not.
USC gets stronger as the year progresses and everyone needs to take that into account. Great coaching at USC (NFL caliber assistent coaches) and great recruiting classes (#1 in country last 3 years). All USC fans have witnessed the 2nd team USC defense is faster than the 1st string defense.
These last 2 games USC has had the luxury of playing them and getting them much needed experience. USC could not do that in 1h of year. I can name 8 players total who have not played 1h of season but are making huge contributions the last 2 games. That is part of the reason USC turns into a machine in the 2h of season. USC defense might be a top 10 caliber D by the bowl season. NOT JOKING!
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Scott4USC said:
Yes you are joking, USC would have to allow an average 158.3 yds/game over the next 3 games to achieve top ten status if others in the the top ten keep their pace. Their best so far is 195 with Washington St.
