can anyone in pac ten play defense?

[gjn23]

hey sun...you are correct in that judging one team does not equate to the strength or weakness of a conference....

the past 3 years (this one included) all i hear from you and mostly others is how weak the pac-10 is; how poor our defeneses are; etc.....i use sc as an example because they seem to destroy their ooc competition (and these are usually top tier teams) by more points than the "weak sisters of the pac-10" that sc plays each week. hell last year, sc was given a much better game by cal, stanford, ucla and arizona than by ou (who was the best of the big 12)......yet the pac-10 gets belittled????? where is the outcry over the weakness of the big-12????

i've said it many times...there is very little difference in conf strength amongst the bcs conferences (varies from year to year) but one mantra remains constant on this board....the pac-10 sucks and the pac-10 plays no defense............really?

well i say the sec sucks on offense this year and the big 12 has ALWAYS been the most over-rated conference and the qb's have ALWAYS sucked from that conf

 

[INtheBLUE]

GJN23,

I don't disagree with anything you just wrote, except the Big East is not competetive since the formation of the new ACC.

Good Post.

 

[Scott4USC]

Yes you are joking, USC would have to allow an average 158.3 yds/game over the next 3 games to achieve top ten status if others in the the top ten keep their pace. Their best so far is 195 with Washington St.

Not talking stat wise. I said top 10 "caliber." Remember, USC lost their #1 and #3 DB's along with their #1 DT and their only returning starter at LB who USC all counted on. THen USC lost to NFL/Graduation both starting all american DT's, 2 best LB's, and safety. DON'T YOU THINK THAT IS TOUGH TO REPLACE? :mj07:

USC is finally getting everyone much needed experience and creating depth. Moving players around etc. You are forgetting USC players improve dramatically and are extremely well coached. That is why USC has had so much success.

People and analysts put down the USC defense their last 8 games. I actually think they have played well given the circumstances. Especially considering all the high powered offenses they faced in 1h of season and playing 5 of the first 7 games on the road. You also hve to take into account USC gets everyones BEST SHOT! These are high powered offenses USC plays. To be honest, the defense has played BETTER than I expected in the 1h of year. There is not doubt in my mind Texas AND V-Tech would have at least 1 loss if they played USC's schedule. USC almost had 2 losses this year! Especially if they got the same bad breaks from refs @Oregon, @ASU and @ND.

At the end of the year, I "think" USC will have a top 10 caliber D who is coached by the #1 DC in CFB. Remember, this D is going against the USC offense each week. These last 2 games USC hass been playing 1st, 2nd and 3rd stringers all game creating depth and seeing who can step up. USC couldn't do that in 1h of year because of how tough the schedule was. Next year USC will have the #1 defense in the country. Bank on it!

 

[Cabo]

Scott: Ive got to respect your knowledge and insight on USC, you definitely know and have done your research. I believe I would do the same if I had a large vested interest in a team. The points you make are valid, and with SC's remaining schedule things MIGHT get interesting. Only time will tell. I realize Texas has not had the hardest schedule but I personally think beating TT in such a convincing fashion last week sold me on the horns. No matter what happens I think were in for some good football, and should prove to be one of the better match-ups provided SC and Texas go to the Rose bowl. VT in my opinion has the best defense in the country, and this point will either be solidified or unfounded after this weekend. Anyway appreciate your input and perspective on SC. Have a great one..Cabo...

 

[INtheBLUE]

Not talking stat wise. I said top 10 "caliber."

Sorry, so you meant they wont have a top ten defense, but they will play one on tv?

 

[Scott4USC]

Sorry, so you meant they wont have a top ten defense, but they will play one on tv?

Stat wise USC won't have a top 10 defense. But I think USC will have a top 10 caliber D.

Lets say Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush were injured for the first 6 games of the year. Then come back for the 2h of season. USC might not have a top 10 offense stat wise at the end of the year but they certainly would have a top 10 caliber offense.

Take Matt Leinarts 1st year starting at USC 2 years ago. USC had an average offense 1h of season. 2h of season USC had the #1 offense in the country.

Get it?

 

[AU2001]

Sorry, so you meant they wont have a top ten defense, but they will play one on tv?

No, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :mj07:

 

[ET4646]

Maybe the SEC just doesn't play offense? :mj07:

 

[INtheBLUE]

No, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :mj07:

LMFAO!!

:mj07: :s4:

 

[Hokie Fan]

No Defense in the Pac Ten
2 words..

POWEDERPUFF BLUE......

 

[flapjack]

You make a very strong, well thought arguement, Hokie.

In analyzing team defenses based on jersey colors, do you factor in the fierceness of the mascots as well or does that cloud your thinking too much? What about if a team has lame jerseys but a kick-ass helmet?

 

[hm23]

No O in the SEC. Boring football, I rarely watch SEC games.

 

[Scott4USC]

A conf. with great offenses will have poor defensive stats. A conf. with poor offenses will have great defensive stats.

Their are FANS on the east coast that find the positive in the games played in the SOUTH, EAST, and MIDWEST. For example 6-3 outcome was prob. due to GREAT DEFENSE! SEC STYLE DEFENSE! Real PHYSICAL!

FANS on the east coast find the negative in the games played in the west coast. For example, a 33-30 outcome was prob. due to WEAK DEFENSE! They don't know how to play defense out there! Not PHYSICAL! They couldn't put up those #'s in the mighty SEC! NO NO NO!

Just so happens more votes from all polls are casted from the east coast. Only west coast team respected is and has been USC! Sucks and is not fair. So many west coast teams get screwed over.

 

[INtheBLUE]

SEC:

8 teams in top 50 on Defense
5 in the top 50 on Offense

PAc 10

7 teams in the top 50 on Offense
2 teams in the top 50 on Defense

Take it for what you will. Both conferences seem to have their weak spots and strong spots this year.

 

[Scott4USC]

SEC:

8 teams in top 50 on Defense
5 in the top 50 on Offense

PAc 10

7 teams in the top 50 on Offense
2 teams in the top 50 on Defense

Take it for what you will. Both conferences seem to have their weak spots and strong spots this year.

SEC = 12 teams in conf. (forgot to mention that when comparing them to Pac 10 which is a 10 team conf.)

In the SEC you play 8 conf. games meaning you miss out on 3 conf. opponents. Take Georgia as an example who does not play LSU, Alabama or Ole Miss. While in the Pac 10 you play everyone except 1 conf. opponent. Soon every Pac 10 team will play each other as the Pac 10 will use the 3rd OOC game as a conf. opponent.

Your post should read like this.

SEC:

8 teams in top 50 on Defense 66%
5 in the top 50 on Offense 41%

PAc 10

7 teams in the top 50 on Offense 70%
2 teams in the top 50 on Defense 20%

Huge advantage to SEC to have teams statisitcally ranked ahead of the Pac 10. #1 they play easier OOC and SEC is afraid to play on the road. This clearly helps the SEC pad their stats. #2 SEC has 12 teams in their conf. while the Pac 10 has 10. Yet people love to compare the elite SEC to the elite Pac 10. Your comparison in your post was huge disadvantage to the Pac 10! Yet you posted it!

 

[INtheBLUE]

SEC = 12 teams in conf. (forgot to mention that when comparing them to Pac 10 which is a 10 team conf.) !

Didn't forget, most people on here are smarter than the average bear, and can openly think for themselves. I posted a stat without bias. ever heard of it?

In the SEC you play 8 conf. games meaning you miss out on 3 conf. opponents. Take Georgia as an example who does not play LSU, Alabama or Ole Miss. !

Alabama undefeated plays Florida, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, and probably GA who at one time were all ranked in the top 10. (admittedly Tennessee sucks in hindsight)

While in the Pac 10 you play everyone except 1 conf. opponent. Soon every Pac 10 team will play each other as the Pac 10 will use the 3rd OOC game as a conf. opponent. !

Heck I would pick a low level pac 10 team over a Non BCS conference champion. Sign me up!!

Your post should read like this. !

My post should read however I want it to, Trojan Nazi. I am a Wolverine fan. Not a fan of any SEC team. I didn't post a bias fact that was spun in a teams favor. College football is full of intangibles. You have a knack for spinning those into USC and the Pac tens favor every time. EX: bye weeks, good offenses, bad defenses, OOC opponents. Strength of an OOC opponent are not the driving factor of scheduling. Money and availability are. When everybody goes to 12 games. you see a lot of huge dogs playing because they will move their schedule around and take less money than the a favored team.

Your comparison in your post was huge disadvantage to the Pac 10! Yet you posted it!

I am truly sorry if I conference stereotyped your trojans, again I say I posted stats. Most people know how many teams are in each conference. I truly didn't mean to be discriminatory.

 

[ET4646]

God, every year we have to hear this? It's Very simple one of these teams in the "power" conferences beat SC in the BCS game, until then they are and have been the best team in the country.

 

[Nickelback]

I just think its obvious that nobody can say there's a better team in the country until someone knocks off USC. You can cry about their defense all you want but the fact is they find a way to win and turn it on when they have to.

Texas would definitely give this team the best challenge. Virginia Tech is close but I dont't think they have the same offensive firepower that Texas has with Young. It will take a great offense to beat USC, not a great defense! Gotta consider going against the grain of tradition this year (ie defense wins championships) because the best defense in college football simply will not be able to stop USC.

 

[ET4646]

Good point, I was kinda thinking the opposite that VT would give them a better game because of there D but you may be right.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I just think its obvious that nobody can say there's a better team in the country until someone knocks off USC. You can cry about their defense all you want but the fact is they find a way to win and turn it on when they have to.

Texas would definitely give this team the best challenge. Virginia Tech is close but I dont't think they have the same offensive firepower that Texas has with Young. It will take a great offense to beat USC, not a great defense! Gotta consider going against the grain of tradition this year (ie defense wins championships) because the best defense in college football simply will not be able to stop USC.

Yes and No. You arent going to "stop" USC but you have to slow them down and create some empty possessions. I am not sure USC can stop Texas' offense either, so it may well come down to which team can make the most "stops." If that happens it has to be advantage Texas. Plus, Texas will be able to slow down the game by running the ball and minimizing possessions. Most teams get behind and throw throw throw and give USC many possessions. USC also thrives on the quick strike with all those weapans - thats why they score 40-50 a game- but take away the big play and see what they do. That is the big question mark - can Texas stop the big play and make USC drive the field all the while getting pressure on leinhart and hitting him often.

But, of course, Texas still has Mack Brown and Greg Davis and they are capable of stopping the Texas offense without any help from USC.