Americans opinion on abortion

[Master Capper]

Views on Abortion by State
Survey USA releases an excellent new survey showing opinions on abortion for all 50 states. The most "pro-choice" state is Vermont (70%); the most "pro-life" state is Utah (61%).

Overall, 56% of Americans consider themselves "pro-choice" vs. just 38% who are "pro-life


Link
http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2005/50StateAbortion0805SortedbyProLife.htm

 

[Palehose]

Views on Abortion by State
Survey USA releases an excellent new survey showing opinions on abortion for all 50 states. The most "pro-choice" state is Vermont (70%); the most "pro-life" state is Utah (61%).

Overall, 56% of Americans consider themselves "pro-choice" vs. just 38% who are "pro-life


Link
http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2005/50StateAbortion0805SortedbyProLife.htm

And I am Pro choice so how ya like them apples didnt think I had it in me did ya :tongue

 

[smurphy]

Palehose - you baby killer!

Are freeze and I the only ones who think abortion is murder? ....OK, I'm kidding .....a little. Only black babies should be aborted. :scared

It's interesting - there are many Right wingers here who are pro-choice, and many supposed liberals who are not so defensive about abortion rights.

In the grand scheme of things, I don't think abortion is a very important issue. Both sides make compelling arguments imo.

 

[Palehose]

I view it as a neccessary Evil . The main reason is for rape cases and incest ..so although I would not make it as accessable as it stands its pretty close to what I personally am comfortable with . I need to add young people and I am talking like 12 to somewhere near 18 these pre teens and teens of today are better off getting an abortion than ruining a childs life .

 

[Chadman]

Very interesting guys...a very interesting point about it not being a big issue. I've always wondered about that. It does not touch a great deal of Americans, and yet it seems to be the FIRST issue people take a side on...at least the far wingers of both parties. I have always considered myself "pro-choice" because I figured it to be a personal choice for those involved. Personally, I chose to get married and be a father as a 20-ish lad when presented with "the choice" because I thought it was the right thing to do. I subsequently got divorced (instead of bringing pysical harm to my then-wife...lol) and worked that out. My current wife's family is passionately Pro-Life, and we have had spirited discussions about it, to the point of me backing down and understanding that side of things. Simply, for me, it is not an issue I rank politicians - or judges on.

With everything that a judge or ANYone for that matter is a part of these days...do you think it fair to make a decision on a person being a good representative based on one issue?

 

[smurphy]

...these pre teens and teens of today are better off getting an abortion than ruining a childs life .

Whose to say these kids' lives will be ruined? This is where I have sympathy with pro-lifers. At what point do we draw the line between what is a life worth living or not. These babies have the potential to become anything - no matter the background.

It's certainly a tricky issue.

 

[Keyser Soze]

SMurphy, you're dreaming. When a 15 or 16 year old has a kid, there is no way in hell that they will have a reasonable life, let alone the child. If the parent doesn't have an education and is too young to work, where in the hell is the $$$$ going to come from???????? Then the mother has to decide whether to go to work at McDonald's or try and finish their high school education, while trying to find someone to watch the kid. All this kind of thinking does is perpetuate the ugliness that continues to grow year after year, generation after generation.....If you want to live your life that way, then go right ahead, but don't force some poor kid to endure a lifetime of frustration and poverty. You want to know why there are so many people on welfare and Section 8, well look no further than this situation. Why don't we worry more about the killing of the 18 year olds that Bush is having killed everyday overseas? They are already living, breathing and have a high school education. :cursin:

 

[dr. freeze]

SMurphy, you're dreaming. When a 15 or 16 year old has a kid, there is no way in hell that they will have a reasonable life, let alone the child. If the parent doesn't have an education and is too young to work, where in the hell is the $$$$ going to come from???????? Then the mother has to decide whether to go to work at McDonald's or try and finish their high school education, while trying to find someone to watch the kid. All this kind of thinking does is perpetuate the ugliness that continues to grow year after year, generation after generation.....If you want to live your life that way, then go right ahead, but don't force some poor kid to endure a lifetime of frustration and poverty. You want to know why there are so many people on welfare and Section 8, well look no further than this situation. Why don't we worry more about the killing of the 18 year olds that Bush is having killed everyday overseas? They are already living, breathing and have a high school education. :cursin:

http://www.usdreams.com/Carson.html

 

[dr. freeze]

http://www.usdreams.com/DeJoria5051.html

 

[dr. freeze]

SMurphy, you're dreaming. When a 15 or 16 year old has a kid, there is no way in hell that they will have a reasonable life, let alone the child. If the parent doesn't have an education and is too young to work, where in the hell is the $$$$ going to come from???????? Then the mother has to decide whether to go to work at McDonald's or try and finish their high school education, while trying to find someone to watch the kid. All this kind of thinking does is perpetuate the ugliness that continues to grow year after year, generation after generation.....If you want to live your life that way, then go right ahead, but don't force some poor kid to endure a lifetime of frustration and poverty. You want to know why there are so many people on welfare and Section 8, well look no further than this situation. Why don't we worry more about the killing of the 18 year olds that Bush is having killed everyday overseas? They are already living, breathing and have a high school education. :cursin:

this is the most elitist piece of garbage i havfe ever read

i can't believe i am reading this

we are the only country in the history of the world where you can go from a poor family to making millions with a little hard work, blood, sweat, and tears

unbelievable

and it still happens today...got a friend who is a second generation American from S. America...parents can't speak English and he lived on the brink of poverty in NY....

didn't even go to college, worked hard, became a subcontractor after someone who noticed his work ethic mentored him.....now he is a contractor for apartments/small homes

netted 1 Million in his 3rd year at the ripe old age of 21. Now helps many like him who pursue the American dream and builds affordable homes for many others

of course, morons like this Keyser would rather see him aborted...

unbelievable we have people who think this way

 

[dr. freeze]

how about the orphan, Isaac Newton. Shoudl he have been aborted?

 

[Keyser Soze]

There you great thinkers go again.....Find one example out of amillion and use it as a set standard. We all know that there are exceptions to every rule. So you are going to tell me that there are more children that were born to high school girls that are MILLIONARES, then there are in assisted housing, or prison for that matter......Secondly, I wouldn't have had him aborted, but I would like to think that the mother would have the choice to do what is going to effect her for the rest of her possibly miserable life. If somebody hands you a basket of apples and tells you that thee are 30 apples in the basket and that 28 will kill you if you eat them, and the other two will not, how soon are you digging in to eat one?????? Exactly! At least when Bill got head, nobody wound up dead! :cursin:

 

[dr. freeze]

so to you, life is all about money huh


and since when are all mothers lives made miserable when they choose to carry out their pregnancy and have a child?

such assumptions just carry on your elitist point of view

speaking of dead, i guess chopping up millions of babies doesn't bother you huh....very good point

 

[Sun Tzu]

One could at least try and argue both sides of this issue, but for anyone on either side to use it as a reason to vote, or not vote, for anyone, is nothing short of ridiculous.

On a related note, I cant begin to tell you what my wife and I had to go through to adopt our son. My guess is a big chunk of the parents in this country couldnt pass muster - but of course we dont regulate them do we?

 

[MrChristo]

we are the only country in the history of the world where you can go from a poor family to making millions with a little hard work, blood, sweat, and tears

Elitist??....Na, I'll chalk this one down to good ol' American self confidence. :mj07:

 

[dr. freeze]

Elitist??....Na, I'll chalk this one down to good ol' American self confidence. :mj07:

olk, i will give you i went a little far in that point

certainly, we are not too bad comparatively in the opportunity/dream department

 

[dr. freeze]

There you great thinkers go again.....Find one example out of amillion and use it as a set standard. We all know that there are exceptions to every rule.

that one in a million might have just done a thing or two that helps billions

or that one in a million might just save thousands of lives that benefit a thousand more each

very astute rationale though, i am sure those other 999,999 are just completely waste of our time though...why do we want anything to do with such human filth

good point (by the way, your movement last rose up about 65 years ago....hopefully we never have to see its face again)

 

[pharlap]

... When a 15 or 16 year old has a kid, there is no way in hell that they will have a reasonable life, let alone the child. If the parent doesn't have an education and is too young to work, where in the hell is the $$$$ going to come from???????? Then the mother has to decide whether to go to work at McDonald's or try and finish their high school education, while trying to find someone to watch the kid. All this kind of thinking does is perpetuate the ugliness that continues to grow year after year, generation after generation.....If you want to live your life that way, then go right ahead, but don't force some poor kid to endure a lifetime of frustration and poverty.

That argument is on a slippery slope at best.

 

[smurphy]

I'm with Freeze on this argument. I still buy into the romantic idea of anything being possible. I'm not against abortion - but I'm VERY MUCH AGAINST the idea that just because a kid is born into poverty, bad education etc that he/she still doesn't have potential to a very fulfilling life.

There are the amazing examples Freeze points out, there are also examples of criminals, drug addicts, and other drains on society. Probably the overwhelming majority example would be law abiding working class people making the best with what they have. There has always been room for people at every level to make a modest honorable life for themselves with potential for more. When did that become a bad thing?

...and yeah - not to mention there is a "market" for adoption anyway. In this country, there is no such thing as "****ed at birth". If you give up and don't try then I guess your not offering much. That's really up to the individual.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Very insightful pharlap.........Nice of you to elaborate. Thanks for stopping by.........

"CHOPPING UP BABIES"????????? C'mon, a bit of an exaggeration, no?

Please tell me how many 15 or 16 year olds that you personally know that havea child and are self sustaining and doing well? You have no clue to what happens in these situations, or else you wouldn't be spewing forth this "elitist" crap. Go ahead, beleive the dream, but at the end of the day all that you have is reality, and those two are not only not in the same neighborhood, they're not even in the same state........Fortunately we have enough sane people left in this country at the moment that we can still decide on our own as to what time we wish to get up in the morning and what color of car we wish to purchase. Be careful what you wish, or in your case, dream for, you just may end up with it.