Americans opinion on abortion

[smurphy]

Out of these 15 year old parents and their babies, how many wish they were dead? Nobody wishes their kids were aborted after they are born. The only regret tends to be for having an abortion.

Since when did struggling become such a bad thing? People have struggled since the country came to be. It wasn't always looked down upon so much.

15 year old parents - well, they usually have parents of their own who help raise the kid. They also often put their kid up for adoption - nothing wrong with that. Sure, some end up making the kids orphans or struggle with no education and the kid already has 2 strikes against em as they try and grow up. But again - that's life and it doesn't stop people from striving toward their goals. It definitely doesn't stop anyone from growing up, getting a job, falling in love, enjoying the free things that come with just being alive, and ultimately reaching for something more.

We just can't decide who has no chance, because everyone has a chance imo. I'll never lose that idealism and hope the country as a whole doesn't either.

 

[smurphy]

This is starting to remind me of Gattica. Long live the love-children.

 

[LUX]

This is starting to remind me of Gattica. Long live the love-children.

that's kinda creepy, man.

 

[kosar]

that's kinda creepy, man.

lolol

 

[INtheBLUE]

On a related note, I cant begin to tell you what my wife and I had to go through to adopt our son. My guess is a big chunk of the parents in this country couldnt pass muster - but of course we dont regulate them do we?

Sun, I have a new respect for you.

I am adopted, born from a mother who was under 15, but from what I have found out very brilliant. After giving me up for adoption, she was hired by a company to finish school and come work for them. My father was a coke addict who didnt even sign the papers for adoption. That is all I know about them.

My parents waited 18 months for me because abortion was legal at the time. They waited 14 months for my sister who is older and adopted when abortion was illegal.

When asked if I am pro-life or pro-choice, my answer is pro-choice. The decision should only be made by the mother, father, and support group that is installed into the relationship. Not the government. And not some left wing or right wing state politician. The baby, as with all children, is the responsibility of the adults rearing them. That is why they alone should make this decision.

My parents, not my biological ones, have given me a life that I apparently could have never had with my birth mother. I had a mother who stayed at home to raise me (better than most can do now). I have 2 bachelors degrees. I am partner in a multi-million dollar company. I get to bet on football whenever I want. All because my mother had a choice and made the best one for me.

To my biological mother: wherever you are, thanks.

 

[Master Capper]

Excellent posts by both Sun Tzu and Intheblue!

 

[INtheBLUE]

Thanks Cap!

 

[Chadman]

Always find it interesting that some will stand up for the "dream possibilities" of less-fortunate starters in life, while at the same time defending cuts that make it far more difficult to overcome their underpriviledged start. I agree, that those less fortunate have to work hard and beat incredible odds to be one of those one-in-a-million success stories, but maybe if conservatives REALLY cared more about that compassionate ideology and less about tax cuts at all cost, we'd really have something that benefitted all of us.

Those two kids made it, so why can't all the others make it, right? The other billion just aren't trying, right?

 

[smurphy]

I'm all for smart investment to help to less fortunate. Key is for it to be smart - not just empty handouts. More investment it public schools, job programs, orphanages, etc. Less redlining of poor neighborhoods to give every area equal opportunities.

I'd rather see my money go to help those at the bottom than into shady wars, corporate handouts, tax cuts that only help wealthy, and armored limos to keep Dubya from being hit by a slingshot in Argentina.

And you know what - if some of that money gets wasted - big friggin deal. At least it had better intention than most of the rest of our money these days.

 

[Keyser Soze]

In theBlue.........This is the second thread in the past week that our paths have crossed, and have found respect for you on both occasions. Best of luck to you in all your wagers, and thanks for participating on a topic that you are all too familiar with.

 

[dr. freeze]

"CHOPPING UP BABIES"????????? C'mon, a bit of an exaggeration, no?

uh, no

abortion is a very pleasant term for chopping up babies

they are sliced, diced, and macerated

that is how they are killed

wonder why the media doesn't show this every day?

they could start the day by saying in every headline in America how many babies were chopped up the day before and show pictures to us all

do you think that might change public opinion?

guess it doesn't fit their agenda

 

[pharlap]

Very insightful pharlap.........Nice of you to elaborate. Thanks for stopping by.........

Well I thought it was kind of self explanatory.

But what I was hoping to convey was that your pro-abortion argument was based on some very unstable ground. You are quite close to implying that social status should be a determining factor as to whether abortion should be encouraged. Which would be an indefensible position.

 

[kosar]

You are quite close to implying that social status should be a determining factor as to whether abortion should be encouraged. Which would be an indefensible position.

I am pro-choice, like Soze, but I agree with pharlaps post here.

 

[dr. freeze]

You are quite close to implying that social status should be a determining factor as to whether abortion should be encouraged. Which would be an indefensible position.

quite close? seems to me that he is way down that slippery slope

wonder if thinkers like him have ever heard the following: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal......."

if so, certainly he must not grant it pertinent to his miserable outlook on life

 

[bear]

Different day and age.......

Different day and age.......

Well,
I might as well weigh in on this.
I'm Pro-Life......I could not believe Roe v Wade passed in the first place. It sure has made a difference though...Now we only have children that are wanted...... and children living under horrific circumstances are almost non-existant. Thank goodness!
Oh, by the way......when I was 13,14,15...whatever... the sexually active were clearly a minority. Nobody I knew was getting laid...we were out playing sports, working, school etc. and pre- legalized abortion....young men and women CLEARLY had to UNDERSTAND the possible RAMIFICATIONS of pre-marital sex. If a young girl became pregnant (it happened..not too frequently) families, extended families, adoption services, etc... provided alternatives... Thats way, way,way back when there were a lot of nuclear families....and when morals mattered and people had to accept responsibility for their actions! Puritanical...maybe...churches were filled, people did not have half of what we do today...but I think many more were much happier...

Abortion......thats killing a human life... flesh and blood....and WHO can determine the WHEN it should be admissable....No...poverty...there was plenty to go around in the first part of the 2oth century....and abortion was considered an evil rather than a solution! Different day and age!!!

bear

 

[pirate fan]

just my 2 cents:
I don't think any human has the right to end another's life, and I do believe it is life in the womb right from the start, it just can't speak for itself. I myself have a real strong faith in God, and a lack of it in us humans. I think we have a responsibility to anyone in need which includes 15 year olds who are pregnant. I do a lot of inner city work and have spent a lot of time in soup kitchens, overnight shelters, food cupboards, etc. Yeah I hate what these young girls go through and we need to get more support out there such as free daycare so these kids can continue to get their education and future. It is hard to get out of the poverty they are born into and who has the right to say they would be better of dead. While I think there needs to be more social programs to help those in need, I am conservative for the fact that the government in pretty much a black hole and completely inefficient with the tax dollars collected. What if we just did away with FEMA and just gave it to the Red Cross who operates so much more effectively and with far less red tape. More of each dollar could go towards what is needed rather than wasted in gov tape. I hate that my tax dollars help fund abortions among other things. I think I am pretty open minded and I think both parties have good and bad points, just really against abortion. I don't think we have the right to dictate who lives and dies, even if it is in our own body. Again, this is just my 2 cents.