Ohio State at -6
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I have been posting about how good the big ten has been for about 2 months now. I honestly believe that Ohio St. will win this one. But, I think ND coach will have 20 plays deep scripted since he has forever to prepare for this game.
ND will keep this one close but I dont think they can contend with a well rounded speedy Ohio St.
ND will keep this one close but I dont think they can contend with a well rounded speedy Ohio St.
pt1gard said:oh yeah this is fball thread, go Slippery Rock!
:mj07: WHAT'S THE SLIPPERY ROCK SCORE?
very nice. don't hear that one too often any more. :clap:
Been waiting for OSU to fall to 3.5. Played them small at
-4, but if they fall to the target #, will buy the hook, and double down.
-4, but if they fall to the target #, will buy the hook, and double down.
blgstocks said:
I agree that the Big Ten is very strong this year. As it stands right now, I will be playing all Big Ten teams except for UM and Wisci. Penn State will be a very strong play, and also the Bucks when it gets down to 3. And it will get down to 3 when all that homer ND money comes in late.
I'm right with you. The difference in the game is ND defense which has been shitty all year against OSU offense whom has finally came around towards the end of this season. ND will not be able to run their screens against OSU speedy linebackers but the key match-ups will be NDs WRs against OSU smaller and inexpierenced corners. But Staley and Whitner will be in cover two playing the deep ball. This will be the most physical team ND plays all season. I don't know about the 6 points being that much of a gift either especially when your making a homer. Why wouldn't you think your team is going to win. Therefore here comes my homer comment " Personally don't be surprised in ND gets smacked in the mouth in this game. As we send all those Irish faithfull once again back home with another loss against OSU. OSU covers the 6 points we own the Fiesta Bowl!" Go Bucks!CWood97 said:
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I personally think OSU wins the game but I think their defense can be had. Look at the amount of points Minnesota put up on them. I think the loss of Bobby Carpenter will also hurt them. The ND offense has all kind of weapons with their two good WRs and tight end Fasano. Walker can also be dangerous but will be vital in pass protection where he has excelled all season. On the other side of the ball, no doubt OSU has an advantage. I think their running game is overated but their passing game can be special. Santonio Holmes is by far the best receiver athletically on the field. Troy Smith can be hot or cold. If he's on he can be as good as Vince Young, but he has a tendency to give up on his first option and run. This should be a very inriguing matchup, I keep hearing of OSUs team speed ius something that ND hasn't seen but ND has played a team with speed in USC. The other side is OSU hasn't seen an offense like ND's but they played one in Texas. I hear ND didn't play a strong schedule but neither team has beat an impressive team. They both lost to the top two teams in USC and Texas. Don't tell me if Troy Smith played the whole game that they would have beat Texas, I saw the game, its not true. 2 touchdown win for OSU is crazy, however there is a reason why Tressel's team is referred to as the Luckeyes, they pull this one out 27-23. Tressel in big games will be conserative early on to try to keep the ND offense off the field, it won't work and they'll fall behind by half. The 2nd half will be different when they begin to put the ball in the air and come from behind to win it
thom24ad said:
LOL - You must have not watched one ND game all year. If you think we're gong to run SCREEN pases against their defense, you're insane. Trust me, I think Weis has seen faster defenses than TO$U.
I can't wait until one of the linebackers have to cover J. Smardizja out of the slot. Talk about a mismatch. Fasano is a great receiver and OSU will have trouble with him in the flats.
ND will line up with four and five receiver sets this game to try and take out OSU great linebackers. I'm not saying ND will steamroll the Buckeyes it will be a close game. OSU defense is no faster than USC or Tennessee. They may have better players, but not faster.
Michigan State had 30 first downs against the Buckeyes. :scared Minnesota put up huge numbers against the buckyeyes as well. Both of these offenses are not as good as the Irish. GL
My prediction ND 31-OSU 28... I also can see OSU winning if a turnover goes their way or if Troy Smith is accurate with his passes. Because ND will have M. Crum Jr. and Duke spying on him the whole game. Letting their WRs have one on one coverage some plays.
Yeah I've been almost forced to watch those ND games because they are on every Saturday. Are you kidding me about the screens...In one drive against Tenn you ran five or six in like a 12 play scoring drive...And its ballsy to quote us against MSU when thats a game ND loss...AJ Hawk 4.4 40-yard, Carpterner who will play 4.5 along with Schagel at 4.5...No defense ND has played has that kind of speed at LB...And now lets take a look at ND defense 8 games out of 11 where teams have scored 21 points and up :mj07:...You need to face it your nonexistant defense is going to bite you in the ass on this one...Real glad this argument will be settled on the field...OSU 35 vs ND 24...You can't beat us at the Fiesta and your going home with another loss against OSU...and by the way join a conference alreadyDIRTY Diapers said:
CWood97 said:
Irish have their problems on defense, I'll grant you that. Say what you want about SOS, they lost 2 games by a combined 6 ponts. Only teams to play that well in EVERY GAME this year are texas and usc.
Explain to me how brady quinn and that offense will fall behind and STAY behind 14 points to OSU? USC has the most DYNAMIC offense we have seen in 20 years, but we never trailed by more than 7 in that game. You call it apples and oranges, I call it talent. Osu's best chances of winning are a low scoring game. ND will SMOTHER them in a shootout.
thom24ad said:
You need to go back to football 101. I was at the Tennessee/Notre Dame game and they didn't run 5-6 screen plays. They change their game plan week to week and during the game they make adjustments. Sometimes they will run a screen play to D.Walk when there is a weak side blitz. Other than that they take what the defense gives them.
Michigan St. had no problem against your defense gaining more yards and over 30 first downs against OSU. I think ND will be able to move the ball effectively. If they can't they will lose.
BTW - We will see how fast your linebackers are when they get timed at the combine. If you think they all will run sub 4.6 40 you need to wake up. Plus, I hope they stay in their base defense when ND lines up in an ace formation with a slot receiver. Do you really think one of those linebackers can cover J. Smardizja out of the slot position.
If you think OSU will be ND by double digits fine. Obviously, I'm a big ND fan and you're a big OSU fan. I'm not going to change your position, nor will you change mine. I'm looking forward to a great game. I'm hoping to stop the streak.
Dude I counted the screens on that drvie, it really stood out to me about Weis' play calling adn which they did score...Your right about a great game and please stop quoting a team ND loss to which OSU beat. Its down right retarded. Tressel will have a defense package ready for Smardizja...and yes its a huge match-up and Smardizja is absoultly sick...I have to admit I like the guy...Look its been somewhat a storybook season for ND its going to come to an end...Hey at least your should be a top five team next season...Like I said before glad we can settle this one on the field...and your right we can back in forth on this all day...As for the 40 yard times it was in an article I had read in the paper...but I already know your reply don't believer everything you read...I've enjoyed our arguements can't wait for the gameDIRTY Diapers said:
thom24ad said:
OSU got outscored 38-35 in their 2 lone road games against RANKED TEAMS. Thats if Michigan was even ranked when they went there, I really dont remember. Dont tell me about SOS and beating good teams. In a bowl game, you are only as good as your BEST ROAD GAME. And guess what, neither ND nor OSU has BEATEN a top 10 team AWAY FROM HOME yet this year, so as far as I'm concerned, this is ANYONE's game. The Fiesta Bowl is NOT the horshoe, sorry. But its not notre dame stadium either. Offense ALWAYS has the advantage in big bowl games too, everyone knows that. So dont preach to me about blitz packages and cover 2's. Both ND and OSU went to Michigan and won, thats each team's BEST WIN because it came on the road. If you do want to bring that game up though, ND definately played a better game at the big house than osu did, but thats neither here nor there
People talking about OSU winning by 14 are delusional. Like I said before, both teams have EQUAL resumes, like it or not, and this will be a field goal game either way.
As far as betting, if you think its gonna be a close game, take the FREEE points. As far as reality goes, get a grip fellas
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DerekNJND said:
ive always enjoyed reading your posts because you always do your homework and debate very well. but can you substantiate this claim that offense always has the advantage in big bowl games?
there have been a zillion bowl games since in the last few decades, so there will always be an offense vs. defense debate.
but look at the national champions of the last 10 years. defense is winning those games, not offense. look at oklahoma in 2000, miami in 2001 (though they dominated both sides), ohio state 2002. tennesee in 1998. the list goes on.
gman2 said:
Dont have anything too impressive prepared for this one, but you have to remember that the national championship is ONE BOWL GAME out of I think 26 (or so?) bowl games per year. We all know defense wins CHAMPIONSHIPS, but when theres 26 bowl games, they're not all for a championship. Examining the national champions of the last decade or so is a terribly small sample size of the bowl games that have been played. And lets not forget some of those teams were also saddled by some great offenses as well. A team playing for a national championship is a whole different kind of animal. Usually the team is undefeated and has won at least ONE game against a TOP TEN team on the road that season, a true test of both offense and defense. Neither of these teams can stake that claim. If OSU's defense was THAT DOMINANT, they would be playing for a national title, not Texas.
My main point about defense vs. offense in bowl games is not that great defenses are going to get run over when they run into a guy like Brady Quinn. I'm not sayin that at all. But great offense will always keep you in the game, no matter what your defense does. And that IS a fact. A great defense can play its a$$ off, but until they can start scoring touchdowns on a regular basis, you NEED offense to score. I have seen time and time again, a great offense run through big time defenses in bowl games. USC vs. Oklahoma comes to mind. What happened when Oklahoma fell behind? No OFFENSIVE answer and the rest is history.
This is the good stuff for ya Gman. There is no answer to the debate of offense vs. defense. But it is a fact that good defenses can pull a GREAT game out of their a$$ when they need to. ND might not have the best defense on paper, but they are opportunistic. I'll take the team that rises to the occasion and forces turnovers in the big games, causes goal line fumbles, picks off Matt Leinhart, and catches interceptions in the endzone at the big house. THATS what wins games, not saying "we beat Illinois by 62 points". Offensive talent cant be compensated for. Either you have it or you dont. The best you can do is contain great offenses, but its very hard to blow them out. This debate was sparked because someone on here posted something about ND losing by 14.
One more point. Defense definately feeds off the home crowd and atmosphere a lot more than an offense does.
Theres a reason why OSU's defense allowed only 12 PPG at the 'shoe this year, and 20 away from there this season. The REAL TRUTH to that is that the home numbers include a game against TEXAS Defense is somewhat rooted in homefield advantage. You can throw your offense in a suitcase and take it with you. Advantage in bowl games.
Theres a reason why OSU's defense allowed only 12 PPG at the 'shoe this year, and 20 away from there this season. The REAL TRUTH to that is that the home numbers include a game against TEXAS Defense is somewhat rooted in homefield advantage. You can throw your offense in a suitcase and take it with you. Advantage in bowl games.
