Bush admits "intelligence" was wrong

[Chadman]

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Wednesday the responsibility for invading Iraq based in part on faulty weapons intelligence rested solely with him, taking on the issue in his most direct and personal terms in the 1,000-plus days since the war's first shots.

"It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong," Bush said. "As president, I'm responsible for the decision to go into Iraq."

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I wonder how this makes the troops feel? Except for the ones that died, that is. How does it make the supporters of Bush and the war on Iraq feel? I'm sure you'll spin it like he has, but the fact is the intelligence presented to legislators (let alone the intelligence withheld by the administration that proved to be correct) to sell the war was wrong. And no spin can change that. Apparently, the deleted parts of the intelligence from the reports used to make decisions to vote for going to war as a last resort were pretty much on target.

Go ahead and support this man if you like. I have to think it's getting harder and harder to face the facts and still keep on your Bush/Cheney bumperstickers. The thing is, you don't have to jump ship from the conservative mentality, to realize certain individuals were either mistaken, wrong, or deceitful. It's cathartic, man. Heal yourselves...

:shade: Take off the sunglasses, and look at the blinding truth. Although it hurts, it will set you free.

 

[StevieD]

Strickly playing the polls. Why did he give Tenant, the Medal of Honor!

 

[spibble spab]

i know it. didnt he also serve under clinton??

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

I guess John Kerry was wrong too...still hasn't taken responsibily.

"the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry Jan. 23. 2003

 

[kosar]

i know it. didnt he also serve under clinton??

Do you believe that he deserved a 'Presidential Medal of Freedom', the highest civilian medal possible?

 

[Chadman]

I guess John Kerry was wrong too...still hasn't taken responsibily.

"the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry Jan. 23. 2003

Not that it's necessary, but again, there is a difference between authorizing the use of force as a last resort, and actually sending troops into battle. Simple.

There is also a difference between a threat and a reality. There is a difference between saying the threat of something is real, and saying that there really are WMD's and we know where they are.

There is a difference between leaving out differing intelligence opinions and reports from the information released to legislators as reasoning for going to war.

Many differences, no matter how many times you post these quotes.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

So Bush was given intell that was wrong. You still havenlt told me why this is his fault. Everyone else made the exact same case about Iraq as he did.

 

[StevieD]

Yes, he did Squib. Tenant had everything wrong and Bush gives him a medal! And to think he served under Clinton too, so it wasn't like he was new to the game and could blame someone else. Great point, thanks for making it.

 

[Chadman]

So Bush was given intell that was wrong. You still havenlt told me why this is his fault. Everyone else made the exact same case about Iraq as he did.

Easy. He was given plenty of information that went against his case for going to war. There were plenty of intelligence reports that his immediate administration had that made a case against going to war being a sensible thing to do from an economic sense, from a reliable intelligence sense, and from common sense. This information was kept from the official reports given to the intelligence committees.

This was wrong. It was his fault. He even now admits this. Simple.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

If there is plenty of information lets see it.

 

[Chadman]

Ok, it will take a little time. I am in the middle of something (it's called work), and I will provide you what I am talking about as soon as I can. I wanted to let you know I wasn't avoiding this, before you posted 15 cartoon-laden replies that said I'm avoiding it, and then saying that all I do is spend all my time in a politics/gambling forum. Back later.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

Some carreer you must have to spend all day in a gambling chatroom critisizing the Bush administration and undermining the war on terror. Your wife must be proud of you. You can type and argue in here all day but when asked to show some proof to back up your words you all of the sudden become "busy" lol.

Forget it Chadman, if you don't know what you're talking about then screw it. I'm not going to sit here all day waiting for you to cut and paste out of your liberal websites. Next time don't speak if you don't know how to back up your own shit. Have a nice day at "work". I'm going hacking.

 

[Chadman]

A quickie for you, from someone actually ON the intelligence committee. Here's a link to a full rendition of what I'm saying:

http://madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214394

By the way, my wife doesn't have to be proud of me for my career. She's proud of my 16-inch penis.

 

[djv]

Guys when you have your mind made up it don't mater what info you get good or bad. But when you do admit the info given you was wrong. And you still give a guy a medal for giving it to you. You got to be nuts.

 

[spibble spab]

Yes, he did Squib. Tenant had everything wrong and Bush gives him a medal! And to think he served under Clinton too, so it wasn't like he was new to the game and could blame someone else. Great point, thanks for making it.

tenant LOL who's tenant?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Good job Chadman of more elusive half quotes--why didn't you post the rest of his comment--that had he known he would still have invaded? typical liberal reporting ala---Micheal Moore/moveon ect.
WMD were mentioned in only one resolution of 17 saddam failled to meet.

You wonder how the troops feel--I really don't think they been looking for WMD'S for some time and maybe if you watched a real live news report with GW reporting from military sites you would get better look from faces of troops than your air america reporting.
I can tell you with certainty troops are beeming with pride on what they have accomplished on this "HISTORIC DAY" as well as Iraq's here and in Iraq---the only long faces are on terrorists and liberals--per your thread for today.

Here some complete answers from Bush on war--

HUME: It is widely said that there were some critical errors made in the early going, one of them being the disbanding of the military, the de-Baathification of the power structure over there. Do you regard those measures as having been a mistake?


BUSH: No question we made some, I would call them, tactical mistakes. For example, training up ? I mentioned the training early, that we trained one group of people to fight external threats and one to fight internal threats, and the internal threats weren't trained enough to fight the threats that actually existed. On reconstruction, we wanted big projects right off the bat, as opposed to focusing projects on a regional basis that could have immediate impact on the lives of the people.

On the political front, we started out with a CPA we felt that should be there for 18 months, and basically tell the Iraqis what to do at the time and yet change, because it was apparent that the Iraqis wanted sovereignty sooner and that they wanted to run their own government with elected officials. And so our strategy has been the same. Remove Saddam Hussein, remove the threat and establish a democracy. Our tactics have changed, depending upon the conditions on the ground.

HUME: Can you say today that if you had known then what you know now about the weapons, that you would have made the same decision.

BUSH: I said it today, and I said it at the last speech I gave.

And I've said it throughout the campaign to the American people. I said I made the right decision. Knowing what I know today, I would have still made that decision.

HUME: Now if you had this ? if the weapons had been out of the equation, because the intelligence did not conclude that he had them, it was still the right call?

BUSH: Absolutely.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178760,00.html

 

[djv]

Give a guy a medal even tho it's was just BS. Bush had to know that or he realy is one dump dude. He was going to Iraq period.
But he could not sell it that way to the American people. Hey I want to go to Iraq and do some nation buliding. We both know how well that would have worked.

 

[spibble spab]

Guys when you have your mind made up it don't mater what info you get good or bad. But when you do admit the info given you was wrong. And you still give a guy a medal for giving it to you. You got to be nuts.

Why do you think Tenet lied to his boss? What do you think his motives were? do you think that since his career was comaparitively long to priors in his postion that he took the fall? in other words, did Dubya lie himself and made tenet the fall guy?

all these accusations but no answers.

 

[djv]

Yes and I bet we will never get the truth. But it was a start.

 

[Chadman]

Thanks, DTB. You ridicule my posting of a complete article I found, and then post a segment of an interview between Brit Hume and Bush on Faux News.

Boy, do I stand corrected...