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Was eluding to big corps taking their ball an going elsewhere in other thread and thought this of interest.

Wal-Mart poised for major China expansion
Monday, March 20, 2006 Posted: 1410 GMT (2210 HKT)

Wal-Mart's China operations could match its U.S. business in 20 years.

What Is This? SHENZHEN, China (Reuters) -- Wal-Mart Stores plans to hire 150,000 people in China over the next five years, five times the number it currently employs here, as it prepares for a major store expansion.

Joe Hatfield, chief executive of Wal-Mart Asia, who has worked at the world's biggest retailer for more than 30 years and was its first employee in China in 1994, said on Sunday the company plans to open 20 stores in the country this year and is racing to train more staff so that it can speed up growth.

"We're really going to ramp this up," Hatfield told Reuters in an interview while touring stores in Shenzhen, Wal-Mart's China headquarters.

The Bentonville, Arkansas-based retailer currently has 56 stores in China, putting it behind other global chains such as France's Carrefour, which had 78 at the end of 2005.

Wal-Mart did not even register enough sales to crack the top 30 on the Ministry of Commerce list of the biggest retailers in China, released last month.

That looks set to change.

"We're going to be growing in all directions," Hatfield said, adding that new stores were planned for both the major metropolises and the smaller cities.

Barring any major economic upheaval, Wal-Mart's China operations could be as big as its U.S. business in 20 years, Hatfield said -- something that Wall Street analysts have long predicted. Wal-Mart now has about 3,700 U.S. stores.

The United States generated 80 percent of Wal-Mart's $312 billion in sales for the latest fiscal year, but slowing growth and rising opposition at home have made international expansion all the more appealing.

America's love-hate relationship with Wal-Mart is well-documented. The retailer boasts that 100 million people shop at its U.S. stores each week, and yet its critics have grown increasingly vocal in the past year.

Two union-funded groups have set up Web sites and launched grassroots campaigns aimed at drawing attention to what they consider stingy wages and benefits for Wal-Mart workers.

Communities across the country have campaigned against new Wal-Mart stores, saying they devour green space, increase traffic congestion and drive competitors out of business. Activists have succeeded in blocking or delaying dozens.

Wal-Mart University? In China, however, consumers can't seem to get enough. Stores here can draw 1.2 million people per month, and the retailer is constantly on the lookout for new locations.

The biggest challenge is finding staff.

Hatfield said he has asked Wal-Mart to set up a university degree program here to train future employees to work in jobs ranging from master baker to accountant.

The retailer employs about 30,000 people in China, and Hatfield said he will need to hire 150,000 more as the expansion picks up steam. Wal-Mart has already started putting extra staff in stores so that they can learn on the job and be ready to manage newly opened locations.

Wal-Mart got off to a slow start here. Hatfield arrived in 1994, but it was nearly two years before the retailer opened its first stores. Growth has been modest since then, but China relaxed rules for foreign retailers at the end of 2004, making it easier to expand.

Hatfield spent his first months in China visiting other retailers to get a feel for shopping habits and tastes. As a result, outlets here may look like American megastores from the outside, but they carry a wide array of local delicacies such as sliced pig's ear, live fish and even crocodile.

Hatfield, 61, said he has no desire to leave, and hopes to stick around long enough to see the day when Wal-Mart China rivals the retailer's U.S. operations. He tells co-workers he plans to work until he is 80.

And after that, he wants to be a Wal-Mart greeter, standing at the entrance to welcome shoppers.
 

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I guess it is a smart expansion. It's not like the Chinese will complain that everything sold is made in China.

Wouldn't it be funny if WalMart is the company that eventually ends communism in China?

Hope that because of this some money flows back into America for once.
 

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ImF, Money flow back to America. It will in to the pockets of four Children that are already billionaires. You don't get any.
DTB I wonder if this could help there stock in long run. Only concern maybe there products sales there might not have same profit level as here. They will be forced to sell cheap. At least for first few years. Your take?
 

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ImF, Money flow back to America. It will in to the pockets of four Children that are already billionaires. You don't get any.
DTB I wonder if this could help there stock in long run. Only concern maybe there products sales there might not have same profit level as here. They will be forced to sell cheap. At least for first few years. Your take?

Naturally I will not get any money. But it comes down to whether you would rather have corporate fatcats get richer in America, or corporate fatcats in China get richer.

I've never spent a dime in Walmart, but I suppose in theory I'd rather have super-rich Americans.
 

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Couldn't answer that question DJV--have always wanted to own Wal Mart stock but have been waiting for significant pull back for years before I jump in--and it has never occurred.
When I visit my father (retired auto worker/farmer) I always go to coffee shop with him in morning. See the same old timers round table there each year.From what I gather they all own Wal Mart stock for years and is the ONLY stock they own--basically they are your CD savers regardless of what interest rate is.I have always found that interesting--I ask my father why he bought and he said one of there guys had bought some and was always ranting how well it did--so the rest all bought some so he would shut up --didn't work cause now they had 10 years of "I told you so" to listen to. :)
 

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Has anyone seen the documentary of the Wal-Mart era? I think it was on CNBC. It is fantastic to see how much this company effects everyone. One thing is for sure, they are ruthless capitalists.

I also just read that Wal-Mart was jumping in the game of Organic food. My wife and I buy many organic items, and I wonder how the constant pressure on suppliers to lower costs will effect the procedures and quality of their organic products. I certainly am excited about saving some money on the organic stuff because it will absolutely slaughter a grocery budget!
 

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dawgball said:
Has anyone seen the documentary of the Wal-Mart era? I think it was on CNBC. It is fantastic to see how much this company effects everyone. One thing is for sure, they are ruthless capitalists.
Was that the one that I saw on PBS last year? It showed how all of the manufacturers lined up in Bentonville, Arkansas, at Walmart HQ, with hat in hand, waiting to bid to sell their stuff. Walmart plays the manufacturers off of each other, and dictates what price they will pay for each item.

The manufacturer of socks says, "We wholesale a package of three pair for two dollars." Walmart's Buyer says, "You'll sell them to us for one dollar or this meeting is over."
 

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Maybe the same one. Sounds similar, but I didn't see it that blatantly. There was a couple who had mortgaged their house trying to strike a deal with them. Crazy shit for sure.
 

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Wal-Mart sells my shit, so I guess I can't hate them. ...In theory, I hate what's happening though. The world is sort of melding togther. 3rd world improves a bit when we send our work there, so that's kinda good. But our world is losing a lot of it's middle. Unions have no power at all when the company completely leaves. We have to sacrifice our wages and benefits and still can't compete with $1 per day wages of other countries. It's already happening, the numbers show that. So, the best solutions are to think globally - buy stock in the companies that are winning, trim your profits to the bone in order to stay in business, and never feel confident that you'll keep your job - always have backup plans. That's fine unless your upside down on your house payments and have a family. This could get ugly soon.

Dawgball buys organic, huh? ...See, I knew you were an activist gay hippie California-loving liberal.
 

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Oh man, and shopping at walmart is torture. All the screaming kids, those forklift things all over the place, fat lazy people driving carts instead of walking (that's something I agree with Freeze on), etc etc. I really hate the place....even though they are a rather significant account.
 

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Oh man, and shopping at walmart is torture. All the screaming kids, those forklift things all over the place, fat lazy people driving carts instead of walking (that's something I agree with Freeze on), etc etc. I really hate the place....even though they are a rather significant account.

Walmart is hell on earth. Not sure which place is the worst: Walmart, Home Depot or Costco.
 

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a word to the wise about walmart.....don't buy their fruit.....they must get them from the garbage.....

i'll say one thing that's good about wal-mart.....they seem to hire people over age 65.....which is where i might wind up in a few years....
 

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a word to the wise about walmart.....don't buy their fruit.....they must get them from the garbage.....

i'll say one thing that's good about wal-mart.....they seem to hire people over age 65.....which is where i might wind up in a few years....
Just keep having football seasons like last year and you won't have to worry about no stinkin job at Wal-Mart. ....Man, I hate those greeters. I don't shop so I can smile at people. I want in and out - no chit chat (kinda like sex). I hate overzealous clerks that always ask if I need help, I hate people welcoming me to a store, I hate when people ask how I'm doing as a formality ...do they really wanna hear my problems? Please AR, don't become a greeter. I don't wanna hate you. :SIB
 

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LOL, smurphy. Yes, we buy many organic items. You may also be surprised that I spent almost two years of my life as a vegetarian.

I get to make VERY few rules in my house, but one of them is that I will absolutely not step foot in a Wal-Mart on the weekends. My wife does the shopping, so if she wants to go to the Lower Class Zoo, then she is more than welcome to shop there.

Now I do go to Sam's on a weekly basis. Their meat and fruit is absolutely the best around here...especially for the price. I still miss Costco like a SOB, though.

kosar -- I think Wal-Mart has created their own playing field compared to all others. I really think at some point they will have discounts for people over 40% body fat.... but only if they smoke too.... and choose not to shower.

Sorry. Had two margaritas and feeling a little frisky!
 

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My god, Dawgball just said "Frisky" and admitted to being a vegetarian! What the hell???!!! Is the true Dawg coming out? ....pun intended
 

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kosar -- I think Wal-Mart has created their own playing field compared to all others. I really think at some point they will have discounts for people over 40% body fat.... but only if they smoke too.... and choose not to shower.

Sorry. Had two margaritas and feeling a little frisky!

That place is the most miserable f*cking experience ever. I've stepped foot in a Walmart three times in my life, all under severe duress from a girlfriend twice and my mom once. I have declared before and also here and now that this will NEVER happen again. I do not care about the consequences.

F*ck Walmart. Target is sooooo much more pleasant if you really must go to that sort of store. Not much more expensive for the same items, either. It's just that Target has some items a little more expensive if you want that.

There is a K-Mart basically right across the street from our office and the girls needed some paper ASAP. I didn't feel like driving the 20 minutes to the office depot so I went into a K-Mart for the first time in about 15 or 20 years.

Even *that* place was better than a Walmart. Sure, like Walmart, you have the same fat, down and out people moping around(just not nearly as many of them as nobody goes to K-Mart anymore), the shelves were totally disorganized, the floor dirty, the lighting horrible, but it was a PLEASURE compared to Walmart.
 

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My god, Dawgball just said "Frisky" and admitted to being a vegetarian! What the hell???!!! Is the true Dawg coming out? ....pun intended

Not sure what this vegetarian thing is all about. That wouldn't be a life worth living. Please explain, J. There has to be more to it than it was a 'life choice' for you.
 

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Of course not, kosar. A piece of ass was involved, and it was during a hiipie-esque period of my life! The sex was great, but the gas was HORRENDOUS!

I actually didn't mind it too much. I still ate fish, so I wasn't a true vegetarian. I also drank a ton and smoked a lot of pot during this time which basically made that period of my life a complete waste of productivity.

If you go see the same band in concert more than, let's say, three times in a given 12 month period; you should probably re-evaluate what you are doing with your life.
 

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It's good you recovered, Dawgball. I'm starting to wonder just how liberal I am compared to my conservative brethren after stories like this. 2 years of unproductivity is simply not acceptable. You should have been working or booted out of the country. ...or joined the military. What a slacker. No wonder you turn to the Catholic god now. The guilt must be unbearable.
 

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LOL!

I was a dredge on society, to be perfectly honest. Funny thing is is that I look to those as my dark years very similar to you looking at your more religious times. This girl and my lifestyle were basically an absolute waste. When I woke up from that drug-induced coma, I brushed myself off, kicked the girl to the curb, and got on with my productive life. Didn't re-discover God for several more years, though. In my agnostic years, every road led to a dead end because logic and science (which I used to preach to my former priest -- a good friend -- and several others) would always come to the same place. There still has to be something else to start it.

Now, me being a weak-minded conservative blah, blah, blah, I went back to what I knew. Since I grew up Catholic that is where I migrated to again. I do feel myself falling out of favor with Catholicism many times, but for the most part they teach what is right.

I disagree with them on:
1. Homosexuality
2. Female Priests
3. I know there's more but I can't recall them right now.

So go hug a freaking tree!
 
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