Best Sleeper Pick for NBA Draft??

[SpursDynasty]

Looking to get some good analysis of players to watch for in about a month when the Draft gets cooking, since I know a lot of you watched a lot of college bball.

You have the 20th pick and no one has selected your sleeper pick, who would it be and why?

(You are basing this off the best player in draft not on a teams needs.)

P.S what the hell is Farmar doing in the top 20 of some experts mock drafts. What a shame, farmar is terrible.

 

[Jayhawk_Thor]

If my team was picking at 20, a guy I would love to see fall would be Shawne Williams out of Memphis. At 20, all I would be looking for, if I was a GM, would be a player that could be very, very good (because I would have a good team) and I would be willing to take a risk.
Williams is versital, good offensively, etc. I think he will be a player at the next level (but will need a year or two).

Other sleeper type guys that I see doing well at the next level: Quincy Douby, Aaron Gray.

2nd round sleepers: Darius Washington, Craig Smith, Pittsnogle (Depending on where he goes... would love to see him land with the Suns... perfect place for him to play in the NBA...)

 

[Jayhawk_Thor]

BTW, agree with you on Farmar. I think he will be a mediocre "defensive minded" PG off the bench in the NBA, and will be out of the league after his rookie contract expires.

That said, I think it was a good decision for him to come out... his stock isnt going to get any higher... his weaknesses cant be corrected by more seasoning (bad athlete/not great build, etc.)

 

[blgstocks]

I got to disagree about you with Farmar Jayhawk, most defensive minded pg in the NBA were very offensive minded in college and because they couldnt hack it offensively they had to work on their defensive abilities to stay on the team. Farmar, who should not even be drafted, has almost no offense and his defense is very suspect as well. He will be in Europe by the end of next season.


Anyway I have to say craig smith shouldnt drop below 20, he is a horse, and developing offensively ten ft and in from the bucket is not the hardest thing to do. NBA Draft.net has him at 40.

NBA Draft has Killingsworth going 39, this is outrageous, again he is a horse and should be top 20, this guy has taken over games many times and his an inside game that rivals williams, who i hate to say it is flat out solid.

I do not see how Allen Ray drops to 44, while Randy Foye is at 6? Randy Foye needs to lose some wieght first off, turn it into muscle, and get a consistent outside shot. Ray led nova all year and if it wasnt for his eye POPPING OUT he would be top 10 in this draft im sure. he reminds me so much of rip hamilton.

Here are my pick for overated players in draft...

1st Tyrus Thomas, yes he might be lottery worthy but number 1? Just because he had 4 or 5 good games in the tourney.... wow. He is very athletic but has no shot, and little footwork. He will have to beat you by jumping over you and dunking it offensively, but defesnively he is pretty sound. Why not take rudy gay who is same build same athleticism but has a shot?

Randy Foye at #6. Too high for what we have seen from him, he has alot of talent but there are many gaurds in this draft that have very similar skill sets, Darius Washington is a similar quality IMO and he is 60th, not knocking washington at 60th, he is young, but what is so different about foye.

Reddick at 16, well this should be obvious. A #1 college pick sure,but a 2nd round specialist for NBA

Aran Gray at 22..... this is the most overated player in draft. He has absolutely NOOOOO skill. This kid is 7 ft tall yes, but so was big country back in the day and he actually had a lil close to the basket game. This kid has yet to master anything, slow, cant catch, never makes layups!!!!, brings the ball to his knees on rebounds. He is just a big pile of garbage. Maybe waste a 2nd round or 3rd round on developing him from step 1, dont waste 1st rd on him

That being said, the biggest tragedy of draft day is if Marcus Williams does not go top 3. He is THE BEST PLAYER for the nba IN THIS DRAFT. I cannot say enough about how good this guy is, he can score 20 easily enough or he can get 10 easy buckets for your players and many times does both. There is a lot of solid gaurds in this draft, but he is a mile better than any of them. Only thing about him might be his offcourt problems but those are behind him. Adam Morrison is the only player in this draft I can justify going ahead of Williams. So if Williams slides past #3 he will be the steal of the draft. Same way Chris Paul was a steal at #4.

 

[Jayhawk_Thor]

BLG... I dont think Farmar is good... so I dont really think you are disagreeing with me... however, i think someone is going to pick him in the first round, for reasons unknown to me. In that case, he will be in the league for at least 3-4 years as that guarenteed contract runs down.

Disagree with you about Gray... he has an NBA body. He will be in the league for awhile... never an all-star, but he will be solid.

 

[blgstocks]

BLG... I dont think Farmar is good... so I dont really think you are disagreeing with me... however, i think someone is going to pick him in the first round, for reasons unknown to me. In that case, he will be in the league for at least 3-4 years as that guarenteed contract runs down.

Disagree with you about Gray... he has an NBA body. He will be in the league for awhile... never an all-star, but he will be solid.

I was joking with you Jayhawk, I know you think farmar is awful, i just take pride in thinking he is even more awful.

AND CMON about gray, u have got to be kidding me. Damn straight he has an nba body but he has 0 skill. Andrew Bynum has more skill than gray, and hes sittin the bench on the Fakers. Maybe he might make a few dunks next year, but outside of his body is there anything that you like about this guy?

 

[gman2]

agree with blgstocks -- marcus williams is scary good.

and i simply do not understand this infatuation with tyrus thomas. its uncanny how much he reminds me of darius miles. incredible athlete, but cant shoot worth a damn. even more puzzling is that the scouts compare thomas to shawn marion. marion isnt that great a shooter, but thomas doesnt even have a jumper that can come anywhere near that.

there are a LOT of very good players in this draft. theres no lebron, wade, or anthony. but there will be a ton of guys getting drafted 10 through 25 that could be legit starters in this league.

 

[gman2]

it also seems that scouts are cooling on pittsnogle, and rightfully so. if im a GM, i would MUCH rather have steve novak on my team than kevin pittsnogle. i think novak could be worth a 2nd round gamble. while he's not great off the dribble by any stretch, he is def. capable of catching and taking 1 or 2 dribbles to create some space. cant say that about pittsnogle.

 

[IE]

for helping a team in the "immediate" future ...gotta a feeling

Jose Juan Barea is going to make a case...if he goes to the right fit of a team.

http://www.gonu.com/mbasketball/news/barea52406.htm

 

[Flipper13]

You guys knocking Farmar are smoking something illegal and good thing the sniff dogs aren't coming by your respective homes.

 

[blgstocks]

You guys knocking Farmar are smoking something illegal and good thing the sniff dogs aren't coming by your respective homes.

hahahaha

any reasons why we are smokin something illegal flipper? Please tell us why farmar will be a very solid nba player

 

[AR182]

it's funny you mention the #20 pick...i think the hapless knicks have that pick.....

they'll probably package that pick & the other #1 they have & trade it to the bulls for the rights to jordan & pippen....that's how sharp they are....

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Gerry McNamara

 

[blgstocks]

it's funny you mention the #20 pick...i think the hapless knicks have that pick.....

they'll probably package that pick & the other #1 they have & trade it to the bulls for the rights to jordan & pippen....that's how sharp they are....

I am neutral towards knicks,( i will root for them against most teams and will root against them when they play some of my favorite teams), and Stephon Marbury is one of my favorite players in the game.
That being said, It literally makes me cringe as to what Isiah has done to this team and they will be reaping his terrible decisions for years to come. AND IM NOT EVEN A KNICK FAN.
I just cant imagine what a knick fan must feel towards him, or the hope in the franchise.

 

[AR182]

I am neutral towards knicks,( i will root for them against most teams and will root against them when they play some of my favorite teams), and Stephon Marbury is one of my favorite players in the game.
That being said, It literally makes me cringe as to what Isiah has done to this team and they will be reaping his terrible decisions for years to come. AND IM NOT EVEN A KNICK FAN.
I just cant imagine what a knick fan must feel towards him, or the hope in the franchise.

i don't really follow the knicks much anymore since i moved to arizona...but their present conditions make me angry...

make no mistake about it...thomas is one of the problems....so is marbury, who i think is vastly over-rated & very selfish...teams have actually improved when they traded him....

but the biggest problem on the knicks is dolan....who was born with a silver spoon up his ass.....whatever this guy has done has turned to shit......he has taken a once proud franchise & rammed it into the ground....

i haven't checked out this site yet, but i read in one of the ny papers that fans are so fed up with the ineptitude of this team that they started a website called...www.selltheknicks.com....

 

[blgstocks]

I have heard many people knock Marbury for being mostly a loser. I cannot argue with that because he is one of the rare guys that I know of that avgs 20 points and a lil over 8 assists a game, and somehow makes his team worse.
I was thinking about it the other day when I was playing a pick up game, I would score almost all my teams points and whenever there was a pass to be made everyone was like wow great assist, yet i won only 1 game out of 10. That got me thinking about Marbury.

I really dont know what his problem is with winning, he can score and he CAN pass like very few in the league. He has experience. I mean if i was an owner and said here a guy thats going to avg 20 points AND 8 assists a game from PG position. I would say awsome sign him up. But even in college Marbury was an outstanding player on a losing team(dont know GT record when he was there but i know they didnt do much)

 

[AR182]

I have heard many people knock Marbury for being mostly a loser. I cannot argue with that because he is one of the rare guys that I know of that avgs 20 points and a lil over 8 assists a game, and somehow makes his team worse.
I was thinking about it the other day when I was playing a pick up game, I would score almost all my teams points and whenever there was a pass to be made everyone was like wow great assist, yet i won only 1 game out of 10. That got me thinking about Marbury.

I really dont know what his problem is with winning, he can score and he CAN pass like very few in the league. He has experience. I mean if i was an owner and said here a guy thats going to avg 20 points AND 8 assists a game from PG position. I would say awsome sign him up. But even in college Marbury was an outstanding player on a losing team(dont know GT record when he was there but i know they didnt do much)

the problem with marbury is he is only interested in marbury & as a point guard he doesn't make the players around him better.....he also doesn't shoot well enough to be a shooting guard..

 

[layinwood]

I agree with GMan, I think Novak will be a great addition. Not a star, maybe not a starter but as a small foward who can come off the bench and stretch the D. He could be a guy playing at this point in the year next year and helping a team tremendously.

Personally I think Redick will do well in the pros. His shot is deadly and he has a very quick release. If I'm someone like Dwight Howard I'm praying for him to come to Orlando. Personally I think he would be best on Houston. I know he gets bashed as much if not more than any player i have seen in a long time but the kid has skills and seems to get better every year. As a coach you can't ask for more than someone who loves the game and works his ass off to get better. He'll never be a superstar but he has a good chance of being a superstars best friend if you know what I mean.

Biggest bust to me is Daniel Gibson, I've never thought this kid was good even in college. Why would he be good in the pros?

Best players from the draft when all is said and done, Gay and Roy. I love both of their games and I can't wait to see them in the NBA.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

I've heard that Shannon Brown (Michigan State) has been impressive at the Pre-Draft Chicago Camps. He had tremendous athletic ability, but his offensive skills may have suffered under Izzo and his emphasis on defense.

 

[Jayhawk_Thor]

I was joking with you Jayhawk, I know you think farmar is awful, i just take pride in thinking he is even more awful.

AND CMON about gray, u have got to be kidding me. Damn straight he has an nba body but he has 0 skill. Andrew Bynum has more skill than gray, and hes sittin the bench on the Fakers. Maybe he might make a few dunks next year, but outside of his body is there anything that you like about this guy?

We are not talking about a guy being a star. We are talking about someone who can contribute for a long time in the NBA... I see Gray as a guy that can stick around for 10 years... And of course it is because of his body, but more specifically what that allows him to do... he is a very good rebounder... and is tough.
If you had a pick in the mid-20's, what more could you ask then to get a 7-footer that can rebound, will knock some guys around, block a couple shots... and all in all isn't a terrible offensive player...? Most of the guys picked in the 20's will be out of the league within 5 years... I'd much prefer Gray.