When do you head for Iraq to clean up your mess and get greeted as liberators ? Are there any self proclaimed CONS out there, that would have the guts or balls to face and fight side by side with the greatest fighting force in the world ?
WHERE ARE ALL THE NEOCONS NOW ?
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It's tough and a big mess. I don't blame all the N-Cons. They just bought the story more then others. Many when you listen to them on the Sunday talk shows now see a different light. This same chit has gone on since 1948 in Israel. We need a better plan to get our troops out. You can see why Iraq needed a tough bastard of dirty leader like Saddam to work. If your not that way they don't respect you. Sad!
The Neo Cons are Idiots Plain and Simple""
The Neo Cons are Idiots Plain and Simple""
And Shameless Liars.
George Bush Sr, in is book after Gulf War I said that the reason they did not march the 100 miles to Baghdad was that even with 500,000 plus troops they could not guarantee security or a stable country. And there was nothing to replace Saddam to control the country. Every general from Powell on down agreed with this over the next year or so.
When George Jr. sub 100 IQ was asked why he didn't heed his fathers advice he responded that He talked to a higher "Father" and that God in one of their chit chats told him to go spread Democracy.i heard it twice from his lips and its in Woodward's book.
The British MI 6 memo proves that we and the Brits knew that there were no WMDS.....but the NEO Cons Went and lied to the Nation and coerced a genuine patriot Colin Powell to go in front of the world and lie. When hes been asked since why he did it he said the trait he valued most in an officer was loyalty. He readily admits it is a shame full black mark on an outstanding Americans service record that he regrets.
No bullshit bad intelligence excuse flys.
My plumber was with the Special forces team that spent tne first 90 days looking for the WMDS.
He volunteered..and he was a Democrat that felt it his duty to serve once again.....aaaaand he is Black. Non of u pansy neo cons are volunteering to fill the 10,000 plus monthly deficit that the military faces.resulting in the finest in our nation serving dble and triple tours. So keep soiling ur diapers and yell out of yourr closets about what those of us that love this country and served it honorably should not say.
The Neo Cons are Idiots Plain and Simple""
And Shameless Liars.
George Bush Sr, in is book after Gulf War I said that the reason they did not march the 100 miles to Baghdad was that even with 500,000 plus troops they could not guarantee security or a stable country. And there was nothing to replace Saddam to control the country. Every general from Powell on down agreed with this over the next year or so.
When George Jr. sub 100 IQ was asked why he didn't heed his fathers advice he responded that He talked to a higher "Father" and that God in one of their chit chats told him to go spread Democracy.i heard it twice from his lips and its in Woodward's book.
The British MI 6 memo proves that we and the Brits knew that there were no WMDS.....but the NEO Cons Went and lied to the Nation and coerced a genuine patriot Colin Powell to go in front of the world and lie. When hes been asked since why he did it he said the trait he valued most in an officer was loyalty. He readily admits it is a shame full black mark on an outstanding Americans service record that he regrets.
No bullshit bad intelligence excuse flys.
My plumber was with the Special forces team that spent tne first 90 days looking for the WMDS.
He volunteered..and he was a Democrat that felt it his duty to serve once again.....aaaaand he is Black. Non of u pansy neo cons are volunteering to fill the 10,000 plus monthly deficit that the military faces.resulting in the finest in our nation serving dble and triple tours. So keep soiling ur diapers and yell out of yourr closets about what those of us that love this country and served it honorably should not say.
We are right here pulling for our troops--were concerned about their well being not the well being of terrorist they capture.
Many of us have served in other wars that others also whined about.
We are supporting armed forces recruiters on campuses not trying to ban them.
We are concerned our troops have adequate supplies--not if terrorist have attorneys.
We are happy Saddam is captured and on trial--not sending our ex attorney general to defend him.
---andwe don't repel down peoples chimneys with a plunger
Many of us have served in other wars that others also whined about.
We are supporting armed forces recruiters on campuses not trying to ban them.
We are concerned our troops have adequate supplies--not if terrorist have attorneys.
We are happy Saddam is captured and on trial--not sending our ex attorney general to defend him.
---andwe don't repel down peoples chimneys with a plunger
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hammer1 said:
great post
the point of which maybe I'll get when I try to read it somehow later on
When George Jr. sub 100 IQ
I guess that makes both kerry and gore who he ran against real morons as The President recorded better grades than both of these losers in college. :scared
I guess that makes both kerry and gore who he ran against real morons as The President recorded better grades than both of these losers in college. :scared
Wayne:
You forgot one:
We are bringing up defining marriage as between a man and a woman as a constitutional issue to secure our conservative base when our poll numbers our down to distract the public from the real issues of the war(which we created), immigration, oil, corruption in government, environment, real job loss etc.
Eddie
You forgot one:
We are bringing up defining marriage as between a man and a woman as a constitutional issue to secure our conservative base when our poll numbers our down to distract the public from the real issues of the war(which we created), immigration, oil, corruption in government, environment, real job loss etc.
Eddie
we are fighting it bryanz....we`re fighting it here...on the home front....vs the 5th columnists like yourself......
The Hollywood Liberal.com
The Road to Guantanamo Review
This is the second part of the story. Go Here To see the beginning
Asif is wounded in the bombing, and the others find him covered with blood. He and one of his friends are taken on one truck while the third is split apart from the others. The Northern Alliance soldiers force him and hundreds more people into the back of a metal truck trailer, they keep forcing more and more of them on, until they are crushed together, and the doors of the truck are then closed. Everyone is consumed by fear, and pitch darkness. They begin pounding on the side of the truck but to no avail. Soon people are passing out in the blackness, they are piled up on top of each other, there is nowhere for anyone to go to the bathroom so they are laying on top of each other with some dead, and everyone having to urinate and defecate on each other. At one point the truck stops, the soldiers get out and start blowing holes in the sides of the truck with machine guns for ventilation which kills many more of the people.
Asif and his friends Ruhel and Shafiq are transported to a couple of different prisons where they are interrogated and beaten. All 3 eventually wind up at Guantanamo, first at Camp X-Ray, later moved camp Delta. While they are being transported they are dressed in orange jump suits and forced to wear white face masks with blacked out goggles, headphones to prevent them from hearing anything, and they then have burlap sacks put over their faces which are taped up on the top and bottom with prisoner numbers written on the tape.
While at Guantanamo they are treated to and endless cycle of torture, humiliation, and interrogation. They are forced to squat in a stress position without looking up for hours at a time. When one of them falls over because he could no longer maintain the position he is beaten severely with a rifle butt. Whenever one of them is to be interrogated, five American soldiers burst into the cell, drag the guy out tackle him, jump on his back, handcuff, and shackle him, put a sack over his head, and make him run in the shackles while the soldiers are screaming and cursing in his ear. Their treatment of the prisoners whom they know are unarmed is ridiculously excessive at every point. No one ever gets to sleep because every hour every they are waken up for "Inspection" where the American soldiers again come in screaming and beating on anyone while they mistreat the prisoners for no good reason.
This film illustrates in crystal clear detail why the U.S. military needs to recruit very dumb, totally uneducated, and mostly southern cracker soldiers who are already racist bastards who have never left their hometowns and believe all the garbage they are taught in school about how we are the good guys, and everything we do is just and right. The Army can then brainwash them to treat other human beings in such a grotesque and inhuman manner. Anyone who had any previous education, intelligence or just plain decency, would never consent to treat people in the unbelievably harsh manner in which these prisoners, most of which were just swept up in raids and had nothing to do with he Taliban, were treated.
The interrogations by American, and British Officers, CIA, and MI5, are not much better. In one scene one of the men is being questioned by an American Officer. He screams, "Are you a member of the Taliban?" The detainee says "no," Then a soldier who is also in the room punches the prisoner, knocking him to the floor. The officer tells the solider to pick him back up. The officer again screams the same question, the prisoner again says no, and is again punched to the floor. The process is repeated over and over. The interrogator eventually saying, "We can keep doing this all night." They have no interest in the truth, only justifying what they are doing.
Eventually as word gets out as to what is going on down there in Cuba the prisoners start to get treated a little better, the beatings become less frequent, but the interrogations continue in a most ridiculous manner. The prisoners eventually become hardened to the whole routine and are not even fazed by it anymore. Another scene in the movie has a female CIA officer showing one of the prisoners a completely grainy, blurry tape of Osama Bin Laden giving a speech and accusing the detainee of being in the audience. "Look," she keeps saying, "that's you," pointing to someone who is so blurred out his own mother wouldn't have recognized him. She was completely uninterested in the fact that the detainee had an air tight alibi that would have placed him in a courtroom in England on the day of the Osama speech, which would have proved it was not him in the video.
Finally, after two years and much pressure from the British government, the three men are sent back to England where they are questioned and released the next day with no charges filed against them. At the end of the film it is told that of the 760 prisoners who are initially brought to Guantanamo, only 7 have ever been charged with any crime, and the total number of convictions: 0. Meanwhile over 500 detainees remain in Guantanamo held without charges and with no lawyers.
The film itself is brilliantly photographed in a grainy film resolution that lends itself perfectly to the desert conditions in which it was shot. Director Michael Winterbottom presents scenes that are so realistic that you are not sure if the people in them are actors, or if it is actual documentary footage. The film clocks in at 91 minutes but seems longer due to the sadistic ruthlessness of the soldiers at Guantanamo. At one point I began checking my watch because I couldn't take much more and just wanted the savagery to end, and I was sitting in a movie theatre. How anyone could endure what these guys went through is beyond me. This is however a must-see film for everyone. The scenes of the hurricane fence cages with the razor wire at the top and the way the captors acted with total disregard for people who had not been charged with any crime, and had possibly done nothing, brought back memories of my own stay at the place they called Guantanamo on the Hudson, (although my experience was nowhere near as bad as the people in this movies was) when I was arrested at The Republican National Convention in New York in 2004. I began to wonder: How long will it be until this kind of thing is happening in The U.S. to American Citizens on a regular basis?
The Road To Guantanamo Won The Silver Bear Award at The Berlin Film Festival, it opens in L.A. and select cities on June 23rd""
yep...this is a fine example of what we`re fighting...
and proud to do so,i might add...
The Hollywood Liberal.com
The Road to Guantanamo Review
This is the second part of the story. Go Here To see the beginning
Asif is wounded in the bombing, and the others find him covered with blood. He and one of his friends are taken on one truck while the third is split apart from the others. The Northern Alliance soldiers force him and hundreds more people into the back of a metal truck trailer, they keep forcing more and more of them on, until they are crushed together, and the doors of the truck are then closed. Everyone is consumed by fear, and pitch darkness. They begin pounding on the side of the truck but to no avail. Soon people are passing out in the blackness, they are piled up on top of each other, there is nowhere for anyone to go to the bathroom so they are laying on top of each other with some dead, and everyone having to urinate and defecate on each other. At one point the truck stops, the soldiers get out and start blowing holes in the sides of the truck with machine guns for ventilation which kills many more of the people.
Asif and his friends Ruhel and Shafiq are transported to a couple of different prisons where they are interrogated and beaten. All 3 eventually wind up at Guantanamo, first at Camp X-Ray, later moved camp Delta. While they are being transported they are dressed in orange jump suits and forced to wear white face masks with blacked out goggles, headphones to prevent them from hearing anything, and they then have burlap sacks put over their faces which are taped up on the top and bottom with prisoner numbers written on the tape.
While at Guantanamo they are treated to and endless cycle of torture, humiliation, and interrogation. They are forced to squat in a stress position without looking up for hours at a time. When one of them falls over because he could no longer maintain the position he is beaten severely with a rifle butt. Whenever one of them is to be interrogated, five American soldiers burst into the cell, drag the guy out tackle him, jump on his back, handcuff, and shackle him, put a sack over his head, and make him run in the shackles while the soldiers are screaming and cursing in his ear. Their treatment of the prisoners whom they know are unarmed is ridiculously excessive at every point. No one ever gets to sleep because every hour every they are waken up for "Inspection" where the American soldiers again come in screaming and beating on anyone while they mistreat the prisoners for no good reason.
This film illustrates in crystal clear detail why the U.S. military needs to recruit very dumb, totally uneducated, and mostly southern cracker soldiers who are already racist bastards who have never left their hometowns and believe all the garbage they are taught in school about how we are the good guys, and everything we do is just and right. The Army can then brainwash them to treat other human beings in such a grotesque and inhuman manner. Anyone who had any previous education, intelligence or just plain decency, would never consent to treat people in the unbelievably harsh manner in which these prisoners, most of which were just swept up in raids and had nothing to do with he Taliban, were treated.
The interrogations by American, and British Officers, CIA, and MI5, are not much better. In one scene one of the men is being questioned by an American Officer. He screams, "Are you a member of the Taliban?" The detainee says "no," Then a soldier who is also in the room punches the prisoner, knocking him to the floor. The officer tells the solider to pick him back up. The officer again screams the same question, the prisoner again says no, and is again punched to the floor. The process is repeated over and over. The interrogator eventually saying, "We can keep doing this all night." They have no interest in the truth, only justifying what they are doing.
Eventually as word gets out as to what is going on down there in Cuba the prisoners start to get treated a little better, the beatings become less frequent, but the interrogations continue in a most ridiculous manner. The prisoners eventually become hardened to the whole routine and are not even fazed by it anymore. Another scene in the movie has a female CIA officer showing one of the prisoners a completely grainy, blurry tape of Osama Bin Laden giving a speech and accusing the detainee of being in the audience. "Look," she keeps saying, "that's you," pointing to someone who is so blurred out his own mother wouldn't have recognized him. She was completely uninterested in the fact that the detainee had an air tight alibi that would have placed him in a courtroom in England on the day of the Osama speech, which would have proved it was not him in the video.
Finally, after two years and much pressure from the British government, the three men are sent back to England where they are questioned and released the next day with no charges filed against them. At the end of the film it is told that of the 760 prisoners who are initially brought to Guantanamo, only 7 have ever been charged with any crime, and the total number of convictions: 0. Meanwhile over 500 detainees remain in Guantanamo held without charges and with no lawyers.
The film itself is brilliantly photographed in a grainy film resolution that lends itself perfectly to the desert conditions in which it was shot. Director Michael Winterbottom presents scenes that are so realistic that you are not sure if the people in them are actors, or if it is actual documentary footage. The film clocks in at 91 minutes but seems longer due to the sadistic ruthlessness of the soldiers at Guantanamo. At one point I began checking my watch because I couldn't take much more and just wanted the savagery to end, and I was sitting in a movie theatre. How anyone could endure what these guys went through is beyond me. This is however a must-see film for everyone. The scenes of the hurricane fence cages with the razor wire at the top and the way the captors acted with total disregard for people who had not been charged with any crime, and had possibly done nothing, brought back memories of my own stay at the place they called Guantanamo on the Hudson, (although my experience was nowhere near as bad as the people in this movies was) when I was arrested at The Republican National Convention in New York in 2004. I began to wonder: How long will it be until this kind of thing is happening in The U.S. to American Citizens on a regular basis?
The Road To Guantanamo Won The Silver Bear Award at The Berlin Film Festival, it opens in L.A. and select cities on June 23rd""
yep...this is a fine example of what we`re fighting...
and proud to do so,i might add...
Weasel, you don't get, I not against the war on terror. I'm against the execution of the war. If you are going to get people killed, make it count. I am a conservative, in the spirit of Ronald Reagan, George Will, William F Buckley, and Pat Buchanan. I know I always say this but it's true. You are a no thinking, bootlicking,sheep with 1/20 th of a brain if you follow this group. You are just like the Liberals you hate, you fall in line and follow blindly. You would have been great in hitlers army.
You are fighting shadows,yourself, your sick mind. Your propaganda is as bad as the shit that you cry about. For someone who hates "hollywood liberals" you always seem to be well informed of their every move. I don't pay that much attention to that crazy shit on the left or right, It's not productive. Why don't you come clean and come out . You must of been a liberal at one time.
""You are a no thinking, bootlicking,sheep with 1/20 th of a brain if you follow this group. You are just like the Liberals you hate, you fall in line and follow blindly. You would have been great in hitlers army.".....
all i can say is...ouch....
but what do you really think?...lol
look bryanz...not everyone`s a soldier..not everyone`s a fireman or policeman....doesn`t mean we can`t have opinions on the war...the direction of our country ...and can`t voice them...
..yada yada yada... ....
you don`t like mine...fine...you say you`re a conservative...i have my doubts...the way i see it,
bryan z= moon troll swinging his cave hammer leftwards only.....hitting nothing....(and i`m catching a whiff of ass in this thread to boot)...
sorry to get personal...but,tit for tat....
that`s nasty,bro...
all i can say is...ouch....
but what do you really think?...lol
look bryanz...not everyone`s a soldier..not everyone`s a fireman or policeman....doesn`t mean we can`t have opinions on the war...the direction of our country ...and can`t voice them...
..yada yada yada... ....
you don`t like mine...fine...you say you`re a conservative...i have my doubts...the way i see it,
bryan z= moon troll swinging his cave hammer leftwards only.....hitting nothing....(and i`m catching a whiff of ass in this thread to boot)...
sorry to get personal...but,tit for tat....
that`s nasty,bro...
bryanz said:
gw is big enough to defend himself but your post seems to be only selective.it seems to me that you haven't read all of gw's posts.
if you bothered reading all of gw's posts you will find that gw got upset about bush a few times....the most recent is over the immigration issue. he is more supportative of the house's idea of immigration than the senate's or bush's. and if i remember correctly he has said that he is so disgusted that he may sit out the next election.
to me that is not following the administration blindly.
i don't mind you attacking a poster's point of view. but you should do it more responsibly.
btw...hope you don't take my post personal...it is just an observation.
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it`s o.k.,guys.....i`ll handle this...
bryan z can voice his opinion....i respect that......but,please don`t start with the chickehawk thing....it`s to easy to shoot down...
make your points bryan z.....i`ll try and be gentle...and fair...
bryan z can voice his opinion....i respect that......but,please don`t start with the chickehawk thing....it`s to easy to shoot down...
make your points bryan z.....i`ll try and be gentle...and fair...
Weasel, the Neocons that have us in this mess,the group you follow,the men you love,it's easy to see the connection. These guys have never fought for anything. Their minds were born and fostered in some of the greatest Liberal ivy institutions our country has to offer. They like you are, all talk and theory,no fight ,no guts,no balls. If you support the execution of this war,you are stupid.The rest of that trash in your last two post says more about you that I really didn't need to know. There is not that much different between you and your buddies on the far left,you extremist **** it up and working America,guys like me,guys with their boots on the ground, make this Country run. Cons are closet liberal self hating rich boys that never had to fight or work for anything,ever. Are you American ? Where do you live ?
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Wonder why the troops are always cheering GW and turn their backside to Clinton at the wall on Memerial day>
You might want to take a look at Zarchuawi dead thread and see if you can distinguish any diff between we neocons and far left liberals.
another classic of skewed liberal perspectives is you have journalist who volunteers to cover story--is beheaded by Zarqawi--and guess where he puts blame for sons death--
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsa...KOC_0_US-IRAQ-ZARQAWI-BERG.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
You might want to take a look at Zarchuawi dead thread and see if you can distinguish any diff between we neocons and far left liberals.
another classic of skewed liberal perspectives is you have journalist who volunteers to cover story--is beheaded by Zarqawi--and guess where he puts blame for sons death--
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsa...KOC_0_US-IRAQ-ZARQAWI-BERG.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
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bryanz...that a boatload of assumptions there, bunky......more of a personal attack than some sort of political position...
you think i`m a rich kid? ...an ivy leaguer?....not even close...but,i`m flattered(eddie haskell is laughing somewhere)..
i have "no balls" because i haven`t served in the military?...i can`t discuss the war...the rationale for it...because i haven`t served?....
then i say to you,you can`t argue against the war in iraq unless you have personally volunteered as a human shield......have you?
i guess then,any debate on the tax rate in any given bracket may only include those in that particular tax bracket.....right?
nobody who isn't an israeli can criticize israel's response to terrorism...right?
no one that hasn`t been shot can speak on gun control?...
bryan....get that left lobe into the bullpen and get warmed up...fast....or,don`t toss me these fat pitches...you`re gonna get spanked..
you sound a little like a disaffected, angry timothy mcveigh type...on that,i hope i`m wrong....
my positions on here are well documented...i still have no clue where you`re coming from...or going...
the left is stupid...the right is stupid....
i still don`t know wtf you`re saying...or what you`re espousing...you`re just angry..
so,stop acting like a monkey flinging poo,get your boots off the ground,and your hands on the keyboard and make some sense...
what`s bryan z`s master plan?...his philosophy?....
i still don`t have a clue....
again..i say from my end,it isn`t personal...but,i will defend myself...
you think i`m a rich kid? ...an ivy leaguer?....not even close...but,i`m flattered(eddie haskell is laughing somewhere)..
i have "no balls" because i haven`t served in the military?...i can`t discuss the war...the rationale for it...because i haven`t served?....
then i say to you,you can`t argue against the war in iraq unless you have personally volunteered as a human shield......have you?
i guess then,any debate on the tax rate in any given bracket may only include those in that particular tax bracket.....right?
nobody who isn't an israeli can criticize israel's response to terrorism...right?
no one that hasn`t been shot can speak on gun control?...
bryan....get that left lobe into the bullpen and get warmed up...fast....or,don`t toss me these fat pitches...you`re gonna get spanked..
you sound a little like a disaffected, angry timothy mcveigh type...on that,i hope i`m wrong....
my positions on here are well documented...i still have no clue where you`re coming from...or going...
the left is stupid...the right is stupid....
i still don`t know wtf you`re saying...or what you`re espousing...you`re just angry..
so,stop acting like a monkey flinging poo,get your boots off the ground,and your hands on the keyboard and make some sense...
what`s bryan z`s master plan?...his philosophy?....
i still don`t have a clue....
again..i say from my end,it isn`t personal...but,i will defend myself...
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