WHERE ARE ALL THE NEOCONS NOW ?

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne:

Before we hop into bed together on this issue (pun intended), should what goes on in the bedroom be a state or federal issue at all. I guess when it comes to receiving benefits from insurance companies we need to make some legal definitions but after that how much defining do we as a society need to do. That is, once you determine if a partner, gay or straight, is to receive insurance benefits, what else need be legally defined. Rights to intestate distribution. Adoption. Property distribution on seperation. Parental rights. I don't know.

Tolerance, acceptance, and why is it so threatening to everyone? I don't get it. I mean if Howie wants to dock his love yacht in Larry's mud canal, I could care less.

Eddie

 

[bryanz]

Everything you said in your last post I could say right back at you. Clue # 1 : Look at the origin of the cons. Look at where they came from. It's not personal with me. Due your homework. You say your well documented, if you care to,go back and read my post on neocons and conservatives. I love my Country, and will help any person that loves their family and is willing to help them self,thats where I come from.You made it personal. Start from the top and read down. Who made assumptions about who ? Do you even know what a neocon is ? How old are you ?

 

[bryanz]

Dogs That Bark, if you are going to use Clinton as some type of bench mark, you mhays well take a shit and not get up. That's the problem with this Country, we have no standards. We set the bar to low.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Was more so on liberals and media--on doing what ever it takes to make admin look bad--which I consider fair game as long as they are not hurting our war efforts or dissing our troops--case in point

"Corrections and Apologies

In a recent story on the alleged killing of Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines in Haditha, The Times of London ran a brutal photograph of dead Iraqis lying in a bullet-riddled ditch, and the Chicago Sun-Times later ran a cartoon based on the photograph to attack the administration over the Haditha incident. But it turns out that the photograph actually depicts Iraqis murdered by Sunni insurgents months before the Haditha incident.

The Times, which is owned by the parent company of this network, issued a correction, and the Sun-Times says it "deeply regrets" what it called its "egregious error," adding, "we apologize to the U.S. servicemen, especially those in the Marine Corps, and to our readers who were understandably offended."

 

[AR182]

dtb..

it's disgusting how some of these media outlets are so anxious to make this administration look bad that they rush to publish a story or pictures before they verify it.

as i mentioned before in another post, the times & the wash. post had stories of the haditha killings & killings in another town on the front pages of their newspapers. but when the military was cleared of the killing in that other town that story was buried in the middle of their pages.

i think the bias against this administration & the military is disgusting.

 

[gardenweasel]

bryanz......what are you saying?....

can you synopsize the point you are making in a few sentences?...

so i can respond...

the neocon thing?...is just a label that some liberals here throw at conservatives who dare defend anything the administaration says or does....i play along...i don`t mind it...and i`m not afraid to dickslap the administration when,imo,it`s warranted......

i just don`t buy into the "bush is the devil...bush is a terrorist" rhetoric espoused by the left...intelligent disagreement with the war is legit.....but,imo,hollywood ,the media and some politicians have gone way over the line....bush bashing has become a deranged religion.......

i`m sure that if i were posting during the lewinsky blowjob crap,many would be calling me a liberal....i totally disagreed with the whole ridiculous mess...all politics...

i thought your point,in the original panel was that anyone who saw a rationale for removing saddam....and didn`t enlist immediately...was somehow disallowed to comment on the war...

and i gave you some analogies that demonstrated that that point was ludicrous...

society would collapse...imagine a firefighter saying,"why should i take the risk of putting out your fire?"

or a cop...."what's that?...there's a gunman shooting up your street?.....well if you want guys like that stopped, why didn't you join the force?.... wanted others to do your dirty work, huh?".......

silly...and that was my point...

 

[bryanz]

I don't have time today but you will never get Bush is the Devil from me. I also don't think that you have to be in it to comment on the war. The reason I started this thread was to address the neocons in the strict sense of the word. My guess is, you are not a con as I am not a con but some shade of Conservative. It was hip to be a con in the late 80's and up to Sep 11th 2001, most of the cons in this period were young republicans that don't even know the origin of this movement.

 

[StevieD]

"A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign policy of America as well."

Famous Neocons...Murdoch, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Wolfowitz.....basically the guys who fvcked everything up. New recruits McCain, Hillary, Bill Clinton, Old Man Bush.

Neocon is as valid a label as Liberal or Conservative. JMHO

 

[bryanz]

Stevie, thanks for the lesson on Neocons -101 .... Bush, Cheney and Rummy are the face of the cons. Old man Bush was never a con, He's hot that stupid, Mc Cain is a guy that would use our military as right as right can be. You guys are missing the point,do a little homework. Look at the origin of the movement, Bush and the clowns are the face, Where did this theory of nation building come from ? Who are the founders ? Who are the masters ? It's all in the halls of IVY.

 

[bryanz]

Do you think this is a Strong foreign policy ?

 

[bryanz]

Neocon is a valid label ? Is it as valid as negro or caucasian, black or white, white american or african american ?

 

[bryanz]

Murdoch is not a con , not with this group of knuckle heads. He's out front, a thinker a doer, a man that makes good things happen for himself his family and others. I have not heard what his thoughts are on Bush and the boys but I'll bet it's not good. No thinking persons can approve of this plan and the way that it's been implemented to this point.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I have no prob with neocon label --however see so many definitions don't know exactly which is correct---in fact if I look up define:neoconservatiism--pretty much describes me to a tee.

Web

Definitions of Neoconservatism on the Web:

An ideological term characterizing parties or politicians who not only advocate an end to government expansion, but believe in reducing its role via downsizing, privatization, and deregulation.
www.socialpolicy.ca/n.htm

an approach to politics or theology that represents a return to a traditional point of view (in contrast to more liberal or radical schools of thought of the 1960s)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

with that being said maybe others could define and give us examples of how neoconservatism is detrimental to our society.

Example of liberal elements detrimental

ACLU for child porn as right of free press> contributes to child abuse and sick fcking elements in society in general

Liberal Media--running anything detrimental to troops and war in general continuely of front page--sometimes as often as 43 straight day>aids terrorists and their agenda,contributes to bad image world wide

Concern for terrorist rights in general-do not humiliate,give legal council,do not detain without council ect> again supports terrorist cause.

No military recruiters on campus>weakens our military

no profiling those of muslim decent>again aids terrorist in freedom to move about on home turf.

Socialist agenda---increases welfare element in our society.

Anti business> U.S. citizens depend on business,business can find workers anywhere.

anti religion--> Support leather and whips in gay day parade--but don't put up those offensive Christmas decorations

 

[StevieD]

Bryanz, I agree that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are going to be put on the neocon equivalent of Mount Rushmore but open your eyes. They have added many new recruits. McCain used to be a guy that could be trusted but listen to what he says lately. Along with the Clintons and Old Man Bush. The 'cons of today have a much different philosophy than the 'cons of the past.

Sorry, do not mean to step on your thread but so many here refuse to admit that there even are Neocons and they treat it as some kind of a joke.

If you dont think Murdoch is a Neocon then why does his media outlets love everything Bush does?

 

[bryanz]

Stevie, good post, you made me think, you are closer to what I was thinking than most, When I think of cons I think of those that would use our Military for political gain to further their vision of how the world should be, with no regard and at the expense of the guys up front. Murdoch seems to be the type of guy the is very prudent, seems to be the type of guy that wouldn't ask someone to do, what he wouldn't himself. I can't believe that McCain could or would use our military in the way that Bush has. He would at least give our guys a chance to win.

 

[AR182]

i don't know exactly what a neocon is...guess it's new type of conservative.

but i do know what a liberal is....& i have witnessed liberal run gov'ts. both nationally & locally.

before guilanni most of the mayors in nyc were liberal, starting with john lindsay all the way through to david dinkins (who was mayor before rudy). these mayors let the unions & welfare system get way out of control that at one time nyc declared bankruptcy.

nationally we all know about jimmy carter.

stevie & the others can call this administration whatever they want ('m down on bush & co. also) but i would prefer a gov't. run by the neocons than a gov't. run by liberals any day of the week.

imagine an administration run by russ feingold as president, or nancy pelosi as speaker of the house, or john conyers as head of a committee.

no thank you.

that is why, as bad as the republicans are doing, the democrats have very little chance of taking control as long as the above people are leading it.

 

[ctownguy]

i don't know exactly what a neocon is...guess it's new type of conservative.

but i do know what a liberal is....& i have witnessed liberal run gov'ts. both nationally & locally.

before guilanni most of the mayors in nyc were liberal, starting with john lindsay all the way through to david dinkins (who was mayor before rudy). these mayors let the unions & welfare system get way out of control that at one time nyc declared bankruptcy.

nationally we all know about jimmy carter.

stevie & the others can call this administration whatever they want ('m down on bush & co. also) but i would prefer a gov't. run by the neocons than a gov't. run by liberals any day of the week.

imagine an administration run by russ feingold as president, or nancy pelosi as speaker of the house, or john conyers as head of a committee.

no thank you.

that is why, as bad as the republicans are doing, the democrats have very little chance of taking control as long as the above people are leading it.

This says it all, probably for 80% of those on the right. :Yep:

 

[AR182]

This says it all, probably for 80% of those on the right. :Yep:

i don't consider myself a conservative.....i'm just conservative on law & order issues, the war on terrorism, & immigration.

i'll give liberals credit....they like to be heard.

polls suggest that there are about 20% of the population that consider themselves liberal.but god help us if liberals ran this country.

 

[shamrock]

its a rotten shame we have to be led & represented by such Shit, because the alternative is more Shit. This country needs a desperate change, and I don't see from where.

 

[AR182]

its a rotten shame we have to be led & represented by such Shit, because the alternative is more Shit. This country needs a desperate change, and I don't see from where.

shamrock...

i couldn't agree more with your post...

i just read that people are saying that the mayor of ny, michael bloomberg, is thinking of running in 08 as a 3rd party candidate.

obviously he is a good businessman, but don't think he is tough enough to be president.

i wouldn't mind guiliani running on a 3rd party....but doubt it.

on a different subject i read somewhere that guiliani may be with a group that may try to buy the cubs.