The Path to 9/11 . . . In game thread

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I got my popcorn and my first thought is that I'm a little surprised that it's not in HD, but when you've got to get a product out before the attorneys can get our cease and desist orders, there's not a whole lot of time for editing. I love seeing the period pieces from the early 90s when the US was booming. This should be good
 

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what....clinton and his cronies couldnt get this thing banned and censored???

you know, the party of free speech and true american values???
 

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no. they couldn't. they probably didn't think that the media would ever let it get this far or that they could find this many actors to do this thing.

ramsey yusef = bush took care of it
 

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what....clinton and his cronies couldnt get this thing banned and censored???

you know, the party of free speech and true american values???

Strange comment u would think since this is a huge part of history you might want it to be correct. If the truth really is not a big deal to you than enjoy it. Its a wonder why every other country thinks we have a bunch of nitwits in ours.
 
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This garbage is unwatchable. Not because of the content, but because of this overly artistic up-close shaky camera work. Killing my eyes. Looks like a Nissan commercial from 1995.
 

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I liked the no commercial part.Can't believe they didn't cut the :nono: part of Clinton--truthfully think it was totally unnecessary and not at all relevent --but always enjoy seeing it :)

My view so far on episode-- believe it has served a purpose in showing
--just how serious and connected these terrorist are
--regardless of who is pres in 08 the other party needs to drop the partisan bs--and give those in the know the opportunity to do whats needed at the moment without going through a bunch of red tape.
--keep captured terrorist out of U.S. until after they have been interrogated by others,preferable someone from their country of origin.

Will be interesting in weeks down the road what was fact and what was fiction.

While I am sure this forum will have that sorted the shame is that about 60% viewers as in Moores documentary will take everything as gospel and never know the difference.
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Some editing that was made--

ABC Makes Some Changes to 9/11 Series

NEW YORK (AP) - ABC aired its miniseries "The Path to 9/11" on Sunday but made editing changes after former Clinton administration officials complained it contained fabricated scenes about their actions prior to the terrorist attacks.

ABC's editing of the five-hour movie, airing on two successive nights starting Sunday, was evident from the very beginning. Twice, the network de-emphasized the role of the 9/11 commission's final report as source material for the film.

The version that aired Sunday also changed a scene that, in a copy of the movie given to television critics a few weeks ago, indicated President Clinton's preoccupation with his potential impeachment may have affected an effort to go after Osama bin Laden.

In the original scene, an actor portraying White House terrorism czar Richard Clarke shares a limousine ride with FBI agent John O'Neill and tells him: "The Republicans are going all-out for impeachment. I just don't see in that climate the president's going to take chances" and give the order to kill bin Laden.

But in the film aired Sunday, Clarke says to O'Neill: "The president has assured me this ... won't affect his decision-making."

O'Neill replies: "So it's OK if somebody kills bin Laden, as long as he didn't give the order. It's pathetic."

The critics' version contained a note in the opening scenes that the film is "based on the 9/11 commission report." That was omitted from the film aired Sunday. A disclaimer aired three times emphasized it was not a documentary.

"For dramatic and narrative purposes the movie contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue, as well as time compression," the note that ran before the movie said.

The note said the material is "drawn from a variety of sources including the 9/11 commission report and other published materials and from personal interviews." That differs from a note in the critics' version that said the dramatization "is based on the 9/11 commission report and other published sources and personal interviews."

Critics, such as historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., said it was "disingenuous and dangerous" not to include accurate historical accounts in the movie.

A scene in the movie depicting a team of CIA operatives poised in darkness outside of bin Laden's fortess in Afghanistan, ready to attack, was substantially cut down from the original. Pictures of the waiting Afghanistan operatives are interspersed with those of officials in Washington, who had to approve the mission.

The original version depicted national security adviser Samuel R. Berger hanging up on CIA chief George Tenet as Tenet sought permission to attack bin Laden. The movie aired Sunday did not include Berger hanging up.

The affect of the changes is to deflect specific blame. It ends with actor Donnie Wahlberg, head of the CIA team in Afghanistan, saying, "Are there no men in Washington?"

Another scene in the critics' cut pictured O'Neill asking Clarke on the telephone: "What's Clinton going to do (about bin Laden)?"

Clarke replies, "I don't know. The Lewinsky thing is a noose around his neck."

This was cut entirely from the film that aired Sunday.

Editors left intact a scene that had angered former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, portraying her as being behind a move to inform the Pakistani government in advance of a U.S. missile strike against bin Laden. The movie indicated that was a key factor in bin Laden getting away.

The movie, scheduled to air from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m., finished at 10:40 p.m. ET.

ABC has said little about the controversy, and said Sunday it would not comment.

Thomas Kean, head of the commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks and a backer of the film, said on ABC's "This Week" Sunday that he hadn't seen the final cut of the movie but urged Americans to watch it.

"If people blame Bill Clinton after seeing this, then the miniseries has failed," said Kean, the former Republican New Jersey governor. "That's wrong and it shouldn't happen."

John Lehman, another Republican commission members, said on the ABC News show that he's told the film is equally harsh on the administrations of President Bush and his father, former President George H.W. Bush.

"And if you don't like the hits to the Clinton administration, well, welcome to the club," Lehman said. "The Republicans have lived with Michael Moore and Oliver Stone and most of Hollywood as a fact of life."

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AP Television Writer Frazier Moore contributed to this report.
 
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I'M getting old. I watched more of the drama of the day 9/11 on CBS. Where at one of the closes fire houses they were filming that day about the life of a rookie fireman. You talk about Good and no fiction. I tried to follow some of the ABC movie but most did'nt seem to flow right or was missing something. The parts I did see you could tell someone was putting there own spin or accounts as they saw it.
Very different from the fire house story told as it was that day.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
While I am sure this forum will have that sorted the shame is that about 60% viewers as in Moores documentary will take everything as gospel and never know the difference..
Have you seen Fahrenheit 9-11? Just curious.
 

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"Clinton is Satan" - Al Qaeda operative.

robert...that`s a nice "get"there,partner....

"clinton is satan"....hmmmm?....one would hope..after listening to quotes from gore/kerry/clinton et al while bill was in office..on saddam etc........that we can come together and realize it isn`t "all bush`s fault".....and it`s not clinton`s fault......

it just is...

1993 wtc, 1996 khobar towers, 1998 double african embassies, and the 2000 uss cole......

i taped it(was watching pride fighting and foots)..my friend called me and said that it actually depicted the terrorists as evil....and with the supposed best quote of the evening....

"let's see if janet reno has any balls".....

i haven`t watched it yet......was that a literal or figurative question?:shrug:
 
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"Have you seen Fahrenheit 9-11? Just curious."

Nope--2 directors that I most likely will never view any more of their work after viewing one each are Moore and Spike Lee.

Did read lots reviews on moores 911 from authors I have LOTS of respect for--however
--on Spike Lee don't even care enough about his insignificant banter to read the reviews.

I imagine tonights episode will bring Bush admin into it--I am equally curious to get gist of what they did not do also in their year prior to 911.
 

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"Have you seen Fahrenheit 9-11? Just curious."

Nope--2 directors that I most likely will never view any more of their work after viewing one each are Moore and Spike Lee.

Did read lots reviews on moores 911 from authors I have LOTS of respect for--however
--on Spike Lee don't even care enough about his insignificant banter to read the reviews.

I imagine tonights episode will bring Bush admin into it--I am equally curious to get gist of what they did not do also in their year prior to 911.

Then how in the hell do you know there is a bunch of lies in it? Dude reallly try watching something else rather than fox news. You won't watch anything that has to do with Michael Moore? Without watching the movie than researching the facts? I really do need to get out of this country. Im surrounded by people who can't think on their own.
I didn't need michael moore to show me a movie to hear about all the stuff he has in it. This shit is all common knowledge if you can ever open up your mind.
 
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holy st peter on a pogo stick...you guys are really serious about fahrenheit 9/11 being a serious,factual work......

if that`s the case,you should be debating those crucial jeannie or/samantha...martha quinn or/nina blackwood...ginger or/marianne issues...that`s more your speed....

i thought it was just stevie...:shrug:


http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

whoop,there it is....whoop,there it is....
 
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i could look at that, see what the rebutal is, and you would never listen because Shawn Hannity told you not to believe me so what is the use? I do know that he had something like twenty lawyers working thru it with a fine tooth comb because he knew the boys at fox would attack it. Id be the first to slam him if he was bullshitting. I only watched a couple of pieces of it and it was shit i already knew. That is why i never really watched the whole thing. Why didn't the Bush family sue him?
 

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"Have you seen Fahrenheit 9-11? Just curious."

Nope--2 directors that I most likely will never view any more of their work after viewing one each are Moore and Spike Lee.

Did read lots reviews on moores 911 from authors I have LOTS of respect for--however
--on Spike Lee don't even care enough about his insignificant banter to read the reviews.

I imagine tonights episode will bring Bush admin into it--I am equally curious to get gist of what they did not do also in their year prior to 911.
Not sure why you have your stand on Spike Lee. His movies aren't even political most of the time. If you ever get over that barrier, I highly recommend '25th Hour', with Ed Norton. Hell, there aren't even black people in this movie - it's definitely your speed and I think you'd enjoy it.

As for Moore, 'Roger and Me' and Fahrenheit are both worth a look. Obviously you wouldn't take them as gospel given your politics, so you don't have to worry about being brainwashed. They bring some good perspective though - and yes - many facts that otherwise get lost.

....For the record, I thought 'Bowling for Columbine' was a waste. That was Moore at his worst.
 

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i could look at that, see what the rebutal is, and you would never listen because Shawn Hannity told you not to believe me so what is the use? I do know that he had something like twenty lawyers working thru it with a fine tooth comb because he knew the boys at fox would attack it. Id be the first to slam him if he was bullshitting. I only watched a couple of pieces of it and it was shit i already knew. That is why i never really watched the whole thing. Why didn't the Bush family sue him?

the president of the united states suing every leftwing hollywood nutbar that disparages him...that calls him bushitler.....liar?.

yeah,that`ll work....

if he were suing every tom,dick and moonbat,how the hell would he have time to plot 9/11?

sean hannity?.......i just got through watching two morons debate(pat buchanan and o`reilly)....both made ridiculous points that were easily jack-slapped....one has the mental acuity of kato kaelin...the other`s a bigger anti-semite than goebbels......

that was more than enough pain for one night...
 
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